Powers & Abilities It is over for the Devil Fruit users.
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Haki being able to undo even Zoan transformations is insane 
Saturn is the one with a summoning power, and he hadn't been summoned from Mariejoa like they were, so he stayed.
Yes, I was wrong.
DF abilities are complete screwed against top hakimen.
They have once last dance in them left before the era of supreme hakimen begins tho.
Who says he was a DF merchant? What if he willed that ability into existence?
He was a strong hakiman but inferior to Zoro and Mihawk since his haki wasn't strong enough to forge strongest weapons in the world.
The pinnacle so far, until Mihawk and Zoro dethrone him as they have stronger haki feat due to strongest weapons.
And Joyboy had 2 weapons which are not stronger than Mihawk's Yoru or all 3 of Zoro's in future.
That's why sword stock is the hottest, Sky-chin.
DF abilities are complete screwed against top hakimen.
They have once last dance in them left before the era of supreme hakimen begins tho.
Who says he was a DF merchant? What if he willed that ability into existence?
He was a strong hakiman but inferior to Zoro and Mihawk since his haki wasn't strong enough to forge strongest weapons in the world.
The pinnacle so far, until Mihawk and Zoro dethrone him as they have stronger haki feat due to strongest weapons.
And Joyboy had 2 weapons which are not stronger than Mihawk's Yoru or all 3 of Zoro's in future.
That's why sword stock is the hottest, Sky-chin.
@comrade ever wondered, why would anyone bother training anything if it is only about haki
Did Garp waste his time crushing mountains to dust, or on the battleship bags
As Rayleigh said only way make CoC stronger specifically is to grow stronger yourself, basically a mix of CoA & CoO, skill (whether martial art swordsmanship or a DF specific style of fighting) and physical strength
If you are strong your haki is strong, and vice versa, haki transcends all in that sense, and haki itself grows strong by being strong
Did Garp waste his time crushing mountains to dust, or on the battleship bags
As Rayleigh said only way make CoC stronger specifically is to grow stronger yourself, basically a mix of CoA & CoO, skill (whether martial art swordsmanship or a DF specific style of fighting) and physical strength
If you are strong your haki is strong, and vice versa, haki transcends all in that sense, and haki itself grows strong by being strong
We already knew this from ancient times. People just dont believe it.
Here we are talking about CoC haki, but since then we already knew that even CoA could neg logia powers and be able to hit them.
Yet, it seems that are still able to use some of their skills, as Logias could use abilities.
Unless, advanced CoC is also internal damage using CoC which ability is to nullify its DF power just as CoA nullify its body.
Here we are talking about CoC haki, but since then we already knew that even CoA could neg logia powers and be able to hit them.
Yet, it seems that are still able to use some of their skills, as Logias could use abilities.
Unless, advanced CoC is also internal damage using CoC which ability is to nullify its DF power just as CoA nullify its body.
Yes, since Haki itself is infused with your fighting style, that's true. Mostly, that is, since we witnessed how high level of CoC can even cancel out DFs and do environmental damage, who knows what else it can do. Even after Luffy was capable of coating his attacks in CoC, Kaido called his usage "crude and clumsy", so there is skill and ability to it.
Thing is, some fighting styles go very well with Haki, some others less. Swordsmanship and Haki go incredibly well. Brawling like Garp does also. What about the Logias? Sabo with the Mera mostly added versatility to his stack. Even if he combines his fighting styles, he just adds a layer of burning the opponent when using his talons. It's not like his fire gets supercharged by Haki. It's the same for the other logias. When Aokiji realized his DF alone is useless as Garp simply breaks through, he changed to combining his brawling, Haki and DF to take Garp on in CqC. Kizaru, who spammed lasers and kicks against fodders, decided that it's best to take Rayleigh on in CqC using a lightsword. Against Haki masters you don't really have many opportunities left as it seems.
Thing is, some fighting styles go very well with Haki, some others less. Swordsmanship and Haki go incredibly well. Brawling like Garp does also. What about the Logias? Sabo with the Mera mostly added versatility to his stack. Even if he combines his fighting styles, he just adds a layer of burning the opponent when using his talons. It's not like his fire gets supercharged by Haki. It's the same for the other logias. When Aokiji realized his DF alone is useless as Garp simply breaks through, he changed to combining his brawling, Haki and DF to take Garp on in CqC. Kizaru, who spammed lasers and kicks against fodders, decided that it's best to take Rayleigh on in CqC using a lightsword. Against Haki masters you don't really have many opportunities left as it seems.
True, I cant blame anyone.
I was heavily against this too when Shanks did it to Green Bull.
Turns out it really is bad news for DF merchants.
I was heavily against this too when Shanks did it to Green Bull.
Turns out it really is bad news for DF merchants.
I kinda believe that the first DF were Zoan fruits.
As CoC has tamed beasts before, but DF are internal powers, so if adCoA can attack from the inside, adCoC might be able to do the same and have the same effect on beasts, this time, taming the beast of the DF.
So Gorosei might be originals demons or beasts, relative to the firsts DF.
Then, Vegapunk said that DF came from the dreams of humanity tk evolve, thats when people started to replicate Zoan DF users and created Paramecia and Logia DF similar to zoan df that changed the dna of people.
Where does DF come? They are man made
