Fanclub Temple of The Grandmaster Zoro
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The pirate who looks like Usopp’s lost uncle shoots at Mihawk with both of his guns. I mean, you have to be pretty mad to just blast both guns at the same time like that without even really aiming.
That same guy was already pretty upset with Mihawk, and when Mihawk smarts off to him about killing time, he loses it.
Yoru is still on Mihawk’s back at that point.
He draws his sword after the shots are fired and still manages to deflect the bullets.
Unfortunately, the anime showed it totally the opposite: He draws before the shots are fired.
This Toei downplay of Mihawk is just unacceptable.
As I mentioned before, one of the most important powers of a great swordfighter is their speed and ability to move faster than the eye can see. -1000 points to Toei.
ANYWAY, Zoro just walks up in the middle of this and starts talking. Both Zoro and Mihawk entirely ignore the Krieg Pirates from this point on and just talk to each other.
Zoro tells Mihawk:
あんな優しい剣は見た事がねェ
I’ve never seen such a tender sword.
And Mihawk answers:
“柔"なき剣に強さなどない
A sword without “softness” has no strength.
(You could also read both lines with “swordsmanship” in place of “sword.”)
It’s interesting that they use different words here to describe the sword. Zoro says 優しい yasashii, meaning tender, gentle, graceful. It can also be used like “affectionate” or “kind.”
Mihawk replies with 柔 juu, meaning softness, gentleness, weakness, suppleness. He puts “juu“ in emphasis quotes, as he likes to do.
He might be referencing a Japanese proverb:
柔能く剛を制す (juu yoku gou o seisu)
which is translated like: “soft and fair goes far” or “willows are weak, yet they bind other wood.”
It wouldn’t be surprising for Mihawk to be referencing the word 柔 Juu from that proverb, especially because he quotes another proverb (the frog in the well story) in just a few panels.
In the anime, though, they have different lines.
Zoro: そんなに柔らかく動く剣は見たことがねぇ (I’ve never seen a sword moved so gracefully) He’s using 柔らかく(yawaraku) here for “gracefully/softly.” (Juu and yawa are both readings of 柔)
Mihawk: 力だけの剣に強さなどない (Only force doesn’t make a strong sword) <–He doesn’t mention softness or grace at all T.T
So in the anime, they lost the “Juu” reference to the proverb, which sucks because it takes away from the beautiful and strange poetry of Mihawk’s language.
(and I'm not out to bash Toei, but these two things have always bugged me. Mihawk's introduction should show the full extent of his power and personality.)
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BTW thank you guys for letting me post my Mihawk nonsense here. Quite honestly, I live in fear of the day when all of the Zoro fans will turn on Mihawk, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it
Yoru is still on Mihawk’s back at that point.
Unfortunately, the anime showed it totally the opposite: He draws before the shots are fired.
This Toei downplay of Mihawk is just unacceptable.
As I mentioned before, one of the most important powers of a great swordfighter is their speed and ability to move faster than the eye can see. -1000 points to Toei.ANYWAY, Zoro just walks up in the middle of this and starts talking. Both Zoro and Mihawk entirely ignore the Krieg Pirates from this point on and just talk to each other.
あんな優しい剣は見た事がねェ
I’ve never seen such a tender sword.
And Mihawk answers:
“柔"なき剣に強さなどない
A sword without “softness” has no strength.
(You could also read both lines with “swordsmanship” in place of “sword.”)
It’s interesting that they use different words here to describe the sword. Zoro says 優しい yasashii, meaning tender, gentle, graceful. It can also be used like “affectionate” or “kind.”
Mihawk replies with 柔 juu, meaning softness, gentleness, weakness, suppleness. He puts “juu“ in emphasis quotes, as he likes to do.
He might be referencing a Japanese proverb:
柔能く剛を制す (juu yoku gou o seisu)
which is translated like: “soft and fair goes far” or “willows are weak, yet they bind other wood.”
It wouldn’t be surprising for Mihawk to be referencing the word 柔 Juu from that proverb, especially because he quotes another proverb (the frog in the well story) in just a few panels.
Zoro: そんなに柔らかく動く剣は見たことがねぇ (I’ve never seen a sword moved so gracefully) He’s using 柔らかく(yawaraku) here for “gracefully/softly.” (Juu and yawa are both readings of 柔)
Mihawk: 力だけの剣に強さなどない (Only force doesn’t make a strong sword) <–He doesn’t mention softness or grace at all T.T
So in the anime, they lost the “Juu” reference to the proverb, which sucks because it takes away from the beautiful and strange poetry of Mihawk’s language.
(and I'm not out to bash Toei, but these two things have always bugged me. Mihawk's introduction should show the full extent of his power and personality.)
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BTW thank you guys for letting me post my Mihawk nonsense here. Quite honestly, I live in fear of the day when all of the Zoro fans will turn on Mihawk, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it
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BTW thank you guys for letting me post my Mihawk nonsense here. Quite honestly, I live in fear of the day when all of the Zoro fans will turn on Mihawk, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it
Besides, if Mihawk loses after an extreme fight, I don't think even Mihawk would be dissatisfied. So, I doubt there will ever be a divide between us in this regard.
I sincerely hope Oda doesn't shelve Mihawk vs. Zoro for something like Shiryu or an Admiral.
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I agree. Both characters and their fans should be happy with a good fight between them, with the understanding that Mihawk will have to lose. It sucks for me, but we've known from the beginning that he was going down some day. I hope it's a great fight that all the fans can enjoy.
Oda would be crazy to shelve that fight after 23 years! Mihawk promised to await Zoro "at the top." He has to be the person Zoro inherits the title from. Zoro's goal is the only one that targets a specific person-- if that person wasn't Mihawk, then what's the point of the entire Baratie scene?
Oda would be crazy to shelve that fight after 23 years! Mihawk promised to await Zoro "at the top." He has to be the person Zoro inherits the title from. Zoro's goal is the only one that targets a specific person-- if that person wasn't Mihawk, then what's the point of the entire Baratie scene?
BTW thank you guys for letting me post my Mihawk nonsense here. Quite honestly, I live in fear of the day when all of the Zoro fans will turn on Mihawk, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it
Zoro Vs Mihawk will be a sight to behold
i hope this fight will be the bloodiest and most extreme fight the series has ever seen
think of Thriller Bark bloody Zoro X10 for both char
remember when Shiryu was a Diamond df user?
at 1st i wasnt sure if Zoro gonna face Shiryu or when it will happen? what kind of growth it will bring to Zoro?(i am a avid believer of Zoro Vs Mihawk from day 1)
never took the theory of Diamond Shiryu seriously and Shiryu killing Mihawk is the dumbest of all theories i have read about One Piece(YES i have read "Roger still alive" theory too)
but with the intro of Invis Shiryu, now i can see what Oda plan to do with him.
IMO: Shiryu will be one of the final opponent of Zoro b4 his fight with Mihawk. NO i am not talking about Shiryu's powerlvl. i have no opinion in that. whether he is YC1 or a top tier doesnt matter to me honestly. bcuz i believe Zoro Vs Shiryu will be a COO upgrade fight to face Mihawk. just think about it, despite black blade/COA hype Mihawk seems beastly in COO too. my man doesnt have a single scar on his body for fucks sake. he looks like a super model instead of a fighter
. i dont think its possible to achieve with poor COO. also i think we as Zoro fandom can atleast agree that COO hasnt been Zoro's strong point so far.
not to mention Mihawk's initial epithet was also going to be COO related. starting from TS to this arc we saw Oda focus on Zoro's CoA a lot. it got highlighted multiple time. plus it was implied that Zoro recently finished a COA training. and with the ultimate obstacle of Wano being a dude who is famed for his dura, i think we all know where its going right? Oda will focus Zoro's COA a lot more in the coming chap. and we might see him officially go into AdCoA(not saying he has it already or denying it. but we didnt get official confirmation like we got AdCOO for Kata and Rubber Jesus). so i think Zoro will end this arc with CoA development.
and Shiryu fight will be a COO development for Zoro. imo Oda will show Shiryu as awakened when the time comes and he will be a tad broken and insane lvl of COO will be required to pinpoint him in his awakening. maybe he will totally able to conceal his presence in COO. dont forget BB pirate is on the hunt for strong df. so why would Shiryu who is already super strong get a df that is useless in hightlvl fight?(i am talking about ppl's opinion about it being useless due to COO) that doesnt make any sense. just bcuz absalom was a novice doesnt mean the df is bad. must i remind ppl that we have a MC who's df is almost a trash? Luffy, Doffy, Kata none of these three have particularly strong df. ppl mistake their overall power as df strength. these df seems special not bcuz they are its bcuz the wielders are exceptional. dont believe me? compare the df wielded by others and comparew them to these 3.
Ice, magma, light, quake, gravity, dragon, soul, buddha, phoenix, Fire, ancient Zoan, OP OP, Kid's df, Shiki's df VS rubber, string Mochi
. if i had to rate i will rate these three df as average. wont be surprised if it gets revealed that u need insane lvl of COO to notice Shiryu specially in his awakening.
at 1st i wasnt sure if Zoro gonna face Shiryu or when it will happen? what kind of growth it will bring to Zoro?(i am a avid believer of Zoro Vs Mihawk from day 1)
never took the theory of Diamond Shiryu seriously and Shiryu killing Mihawk is the dumbest of all theories i have read about One Piece(YES i have read "Roger still alive" theory too)
but with the intro of Invis Shiryu, now i can see what Oda plan to do with him.
IMO: Shiryu will be one of the final opponent of Zoro b4 his fight with Mihawk. NO i am not talking about Shiryu's powerlvl. i have no opinion in that. whether he is YC1 or a top tier doesnt matter to me honestly. bcuz i believe Zoro Vs Shiryu will be a COO upgrade fight to face Mihawk. just think about it, despite black blade/COA hype Mihawk seems beastly in COO too. my man doesnt have a single scar on his body for fucks sake. he looks like a super model instead of a fighter
. i dont think its possible to achieve with poor COO. also i think we as Zoro fandom can atleast agree that COO hasnt been Zoro's strong point so far.not to mention Mihawk's initial epithet was also going to be COO related. starting from TS to this arc we saw Oda focus on Zoro's CoA a lot. it got highlighted multiple time. plus it was implied that Zoro recently finished a COA training. and with the ultimate obstacle of Wano being a dude who is famed for his dura, i think we all know where its going right? Oda will focus Zoro's COA a lot more in the coming chap. and we might see him officially go into AdCoA(not saying he has it already or denying it. but we didnt get official confirmation like we got AdCOO for Kata and Rubber Jesus). so i think Zoro will end this arc with CoA development.
and Shiryu fight will be a COO development for Zoro. imo Oda will show Shiryu as awakened when the time comes and he will be a tad broken and insane lvl of COO will be required to pinpoint him in his awakening. maybe he will totally able to conceal his presence in COO. dont forget BB pirate is on the hunt for strong df. so why would Shiryu who is already super strong get a df that is useless in hightlvl fight?(i am talking about ppl's opinion about it being useless due to COO) that doesnt make any sense. just bcuz absalom was a novice doesnt mean the df is bad. must i remind ppl that we have a MC who's df is almost a trash? Luffy, Doffy, Kata none of these three have particularly strong df. ppl mistake their overall power as df strength. these df seems special not bcuz they are its bcuz the wielders are exceptional. dont believe me? compare the df wielded by others and comparew them to these 3.
Ice, magma, light, quake, gravity, dragon, soul, buddha, phoenix, Fire, ancient Zoan, OP OP, Kid's df, Shiki's df VS rubber, string Mochi
. if i had to rate i will rate these three df as average. wont be surprised if it gets revealed that u need insane lvl of COO to notice Shiryu specially in his awakening.
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In actual combat it isnt a strong point for anyone aside from Katakuri and Fujitora.
It's not a Zoro thing, his mid-combat CoO feats are basically the same as everyone else's.
Out of combat CoO feats are not bad at all, he has moments when he puts Luffy's CoO to shame.
I agree that Shiryu's purpose is to further develop Zoro's CoO possibly, probably to use the Breath of all things again if he cannot hear the breath at any time he wants which didnt happen ever again after Alabasta. If Shiryu can clear his aura, regular presence detection and future sight are useless against it. Breath of all things might just be the only counter for that.
It's not a Zoro thing, his mid-combat CoO feats are basically the same as everyone else's.
Out of combat CoO feats are not bad at all, he has moments when he puts Luffy's CoO to shame.
I agree that Shiryu's purpose is to further develop Zoro's CoO possibly, probably to use the Breath of all things again if he cannot hear the breath at any time he wants which didnt happen ever again after Alabasta. If Shiryu can clear his aura, regular presence detection and future sight are useless against it. Breath of all things might just be the only counter for that.
i am by no means saying Zoro's COO is weak. in serious combat it was always top notch. but Zoro doesnt give off the vibe that Mihawk does. to me Mihawk is like "he will be standing still in front off u but u still wont be able to land a hit" thats the feel i get from him. Zoro is not there yet. for example we saw COA leaking from Zoro's sword which we also saw from freaking Roger/WB. then Enma Haki Hype. special focus on Zoro's 1st time on panel Hardening. and Oda debuted it with one of the best attack so far, ISDS. but Oda hasnt given that much effort in Zoro's COO. so i was thinking after Zoro's COA goes to a certain lvl Oda will focus on COO for him.
dunno about u guys, for me Zoro and Luffy will have exceptional haki for each branch they have.
i think u guys are misunderstanding the context in my post. yes Zoro's COO is strong but i am talking about its not Zoro lvl strong. u get my drift?
for example outside Of KKG no one bar Top Tier have shown attack on the scale ISDS. no matter what tier Luffy/Zoro are, they will be exceptional in that tier.
also i wasnt downplaying Zoro's COO instead i am saying i am expect more from Zoro. thats partially due to i rate Luffy/zoro/Mihawk/Roger/wb/garp too highly. so i also tend to criticize these char more.
also bruh u posted these panel to the wrong person. i am a avid Zoro fanboy. to give a taste of it:
dunno about u guys, for me Zoro and Luffy will have exceptional haki for each branch they have.
i think u guys are misunderstanding the context in my post. yes Zoro's COO is strong but i am talking about its not Zoro lvl strong. u get my drift?
for example outside Of KKG no one bar Top Tier have shown attack on the scale ISDS. no matter what tier Luffy/Zoro are, they will be exceptional in that tier.
also i wasnt downplaying Zoro's COO instead i am saying i am expect more from Zoro. thats partially due to i rate Luffy/zoro/Mihawk/Roger/wb/garp too highly. so i also tend to criticize these char more.
also bruh u posted these panel to the wrong person. i am a avid Zoro fanboy. to give a taste of it:
if u ever notice i never get into ZvS debate. not bcuz of the toxicity but rather i never even considered S to even in Zoro's league. so no point in me getting worked over something so irrelevant. and about someone that i dont give a fk about. u wont expect me to have a sincere argument about Luffy Vs Cavendish now do u? thats my stand on it
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The pirate who looks like Usopp’s lost uncle shoots at Mihawk with both of his guns. I mean, you have to be pretty mad to just blast both guns at the same time like that without even really aiming.
That same guy was already pretty upset with Mihawk, and when Mihawk smarts off to him about killing time, he loses it.
Yoru is still on Mihawk’s back at that point.
He draws his sword after the shots are fired and still manages to deflect the bullets.
Unfortunately, the anime showed it totally the opposite: He draws before the shots are fired.
This Toei downplay of Mihawk is just unacceptable. As I mentioned before, one of the most important powers of a great swordfighter is their speed and ability to move faster than the eye can see. -1000 points to Toei.
ANYWAY, Zoro just walks up in the middle of this and starts talking. Both Zoro and Mihawk entirely ignore the Krieg Pirates from this point on and just talk to each other.
Zoro tells Mihawk:
あんな優しい剣は見た事がねェ
I’ve never seen such a tender sword.
And Mihawk answers:
“柔"なき剣に強さなどない
A sword without “softness” has no strength.
(You could also read both lines with “swordsmanship” in place of “sword.”)
It’s interesting that they use different words here to describe the sword. Zoro says 優しい yasashii, meaning tender, gentle, graceful. It can also be used like “affectionate” or “kind.”
Mihawk replies with 柔 juu, meaning softness, gentleness, weakness, suppleness. He puts “juu“ in emphasis quotes, as he likes to do.
He might be referencing a Japanese proverb:
柔能く剛を制す (juu yoku gou o seisu)
which is translated like: “soft and fair goes far” or “willows are weak, yet they bind other wood.”
It wouldn’t be surprising for Mihawk to be referencing the word 柔 Juu from that proverb, especially because he quotes another proverb (the frog in the well story) in just a few panels.
In the anime, though, they have different lines.
Zoro: そんなに柔らかく動く剣は見たことがねぇ (I’ve never seen a sword moved so gracefully) He’s using 柔らかく(yawaraku) here for “gracefully/softly.” (Juu and yawa are both readings of 柔)
Mihawk: 力だけの剣に強さなどない (Only force doesn’t make a strong sword) <–He doesn’t mention softness or grace at all T.T
So in the anime, they lost the “Juu” reference to the proverb, which sucks because it takes away from the beautiful and strange poetry of Mihawk’s language.
(and I'm not out to bash Toei, but these two things have always bugged me. Mihawk's introduction should show the full extent of his power and personality.)
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BTW thank you guys for letting me post my Mihawk nonsense here. Quite honestly, I live in fear of the day when all of the Zoro fans will turn on Mihawk, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it
Yoru is still on Mihawk’s back at that point.
Unfortunately, the anime showed it totally the opposite: He draws before the shots are fired.
This Toei downplay of Mihawk is just unacceptable.
As I mentioned before, one of the most important powers of a great swordfighter is their speed and ability to move faster than the eye can see. -1000 points to Toei.ANYWAY, Zoro just walks up in the middle of this and starts talking. Both Zoro and Mihawk entirely ignore the Krieg Pirates from this point on and just talk to each other.
あんな優しい剣は見た事がねェ
I’ve never seen such a tender sword.
And Mihawk answers:
“柔"なき剣に強さなどない
A sword without “softness” has no strength.
(You could also read both lines with “swordsmanship” in place of “sword.”)
It’s interesting that they use different words here to describe the sword. Zoro says 優しい yasashii, meaning tender, gentle, graceful. It can also be used like “affectionate” or “kind.”
Mihawk replies with 柔 juu, meaning softness, gentleness, weakness, suppleness. He puts “juu“ in emphasis quotes, as he likes to do.
He might be referencing a Japanese proverb:
柔能く剛を制す (juu yoku gou o seisu)
which is translated like: “soft and fair goes far” or “willows are weak, yet they bind other wood.”
It wouldn’t be surprising for Mihawk to be referencing the word 柔 Juu from that proverb, especially because he quotes another proverb (the frog in the well story) in just a few panels.
Zoro: そんなに柔らかく動く剣は見たことがねぇ (I’ve never seen a sword moved so gracefully) He’s using 柔らかく(yawaraku) here for “gracefully/softly.” (Juu and yawa are both readings of 柔)
Mihawk: 力だけの剣に強さなどない (Only force doesn’t make a strong sword) <–He doesn’t mention softness or grace at all T.T
So in the anime, they lost the “Juu” reference to the proverb, which sucks because it takes away from the beautiful and strange poetry of Mihawk’s language.
(and I'm not out to bash Toei, but these two things have always bugged me. Mihawk's introduction should show the full extent of his power and personality.)
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BTW thank you guys for letting me post my Mihawk nonsense here. Quite honestly, I live in fear of the day when all of the Zoro fans will turn on Mihawk, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it
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Oh, yeah. Mihawk does give off such a vibe which Zoro doesnt. Mihawk is probably a character who is hardest to land a clean hit on.
Zoro is not at such level but he should be considering that he is fighting the most lethal guys and cannot afford to be cleanly hit.
As the ultimate combat machine, he cannot lack in CoO segment. His CoO isnt bad but could be better, as you said.
Zoro is not at such level but he should be considering that he is fighting the most lethal guys and cannot afford to be cleanly hit.
As the ultimate combat machine, he cannot lack in CoO segment. His CoO isnt bad but could be better, as you said.
Oh, yeah. Mihawk does give off such a vibe which Zoro doesnt. Mihawk is probably a character who is hardest to land a clean hit on.
Zoro is not at such level but he should be considering that he is fighting the most lethal guys and cannot afford to be cleanly hit.
As the ultimate combat machine, he cannot lack in CoO segment. His CoO isnt bad but could be better, as you said.
Zoro is not at such level but he should be considering that he is fighting the most lethal guys and cannot afford to be cleanly hit.
As the ultimate combat machine, he cannot lack in CoO segment. His CoO isnt bad but could be better, as you said.
u summed up my essay in 2 lines
respect:cheers:
if anyone wondering why me and @nik87 came to such a conclusion about Mihawk, think about it: from manga to VC we were told this guy fought until there was no one left to fight. he used to have intense duels with Shanks. with a CV like that anyone will expect Mihawk riddled with battle scar. so far we havent seen any in his body and judging by the skin he is showing(and trust me he is showing a lotta skin
) he likely have no scar or very few at most. so his reflex must be top notch to stay like that. not to mention Shanks admitted to WB that he also has scar in his body aside from the one from Teach. so Mihawk being in this state w/o any durability hype like BM/Kaido makes him look beastly in terms of COO/reflex/reaction.if black blade wasnt attributed to COA and swordsmanship wasnt so related to COA then ppl wouldnt be wrong to believe Mihawk's speciality is COO
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I live in fear of the day when all of the Zoro fans will turn on Mihawk, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it
The stronger Mihawk is the more impressive it will be for Zoro to surpass him.
Turning on Mihawk means only one thing, shooting ourselves in the foot while trying to run a marathon.
The only scenario where Mihawk can "look bad" is if there are stronger swordsmen after him and I sincerely doubt that.
i hope Oda never goes down that path. not just Mihawk but for everyone in general.
"strongest dude appears"
-MCs defeat the strongest dude
"too bad. he wasnt actually the strongest dude. there is someone else who is the strongest"
-MCs defeat the new stronger strongest dude
"too bad. he wasnt actually..."
along with Nakama power and ^^this was the reason why Fairy Tail is considered shit. and OP will become more shit if Oda introduces new "stronger strongest dude"
"strongest dude appears"
-MCs defeat the strongest dude
"too bad. he wasnt actually the strongest dude. there is someone else who is the strongest"
-MCs defeat the new stronger strongest dude
"too bad. he wasnt actually..."
along with Nakama power and ^^this was the reason why Fairy Tail is considered shit. and OP will become more shit if Oda introduces new "stronger strongest dude"
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