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Lmao. Never. Scots are too spineless to even vote for independence, let alone fight for it.
The toughest pill for me to swallow was realising that a large chunk of the Scottish National Party "voter base" were not actually genuine Scottish Independence supporters but were just voting for the separatist SNP purely because they thought it was going to be the quickest way to live in a left wing country while the UK was under forever right wing Conservative Party rule.
The moment the unionist but left wing Labour Party was set to finally win a UK general election, the SNP was dropped by those political fair weather fecks because the goal for them was never Scottish Independence, it was living in a left wing nation.
If you gave those fecks the option of a right wing independent Scotland or a left wing United Kingdom, they would choose a left wing United Kingdom every single time. It was never about Scottish Independence for them but about hating the Conservatives.
It didn't help that the SNP have become a party dedicated to losing ever since Alex Salmond left the party. These useless sassenachs always snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Only way Scots get independence now is if an English separatist movement succeeds taking England out of the UK. Lel.
The toughest pill for me to swallow was realising that a large chunk of the Scottish National Party "voter base" were not actually genuine Scottish Independence supporters but were just voting for the separatist SNP purely because they thought it was going to be the quickest way to live in a left wing country while the UK was under forever right wing Conservative Party rule.
The moment the unionist but left wing Labour Party was set to finally win a UK general election, the SNP was dropped by those political fair weather fecks because the goal for them was never Scottish Independence, it was living in a left wing nation.
If you gave those fecks the option of a right wing independent Scotland or a left wing United Kingdom, they would choose a left wing United Kingdom every single time. It was never about Scottish Independence for them but about hating the Conservatives.
It didn't help that the SNP have become a party dedicated to losing ever since Alex Salmond left the party. These useless sassenachs always snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Only way Scots get independence now is if an English separatist movement succeeds taking England out of the UK. Lel.
Liberals have a history of using power at their advantage to remain in power and protect the interests of the rich. Sitting your ass in the middle is a good political move. Nice trick.
All independence movements must have a diverging political/economical project to look different than the bigger union/country/colony they're in. Although all cases remain different...
Nice one.
The toughest pill for me to swallow was realising that a large chunk of the Scottish National Party "voter base" were not actually genuine Scottish Independence supporters but were just voting for the separatist SNP purely because they thought it was going to be the quickest way to live in a left wing country while the UK was under forever right wing Conservative Party rule.
The moment the unionist but left wing Labour Party was set to finally win a UK general election, the SNP was dropped by those political fair weather fecks because the goal for them was never Scottish Independence, it was living in a left wing nation.
If you gave those fecks the option of a right wing independent Scotland or a left wing United Kingdom, they would choose a left wing United Kingdom every single time. It was never about Scottish Independence for them but about hating the Conservatives.
It didn't help that the SNP have become a party dedicated to losing ever since Alex Salmond left the party. These useless sassenachs always snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Only way Scots get independence now is if an English separatist movement succeeds taking England out of the UK. Lel.
The moment the unionist but left wing Labour Party was set to finally win a UK general election, the SNP was dropped by those political fair weather fecks because the goal for them was never Scottish Independence, it was living in a left wing nation.
If you gave those fecks the option of a right wing independent Scotland or a left wing United Kingdom, they would choose a left wing United Kingdom every single time. It was never about Scottish Independence for them but about hating the Conservatives.
It didn't help that the SNP have become a party dedicated to losing ever since Alex Salmond left the party. These useless sassenachs always snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Only way Scots get independence now is if an English separatist movement succeeds taking England out of the UK. Lel.
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That was what the SNP post Salmond never realised. They needed to convince everyone from across the political spectrum, not just their side of the spectrum but the idiots spent years preaching to the converted and the aforementioned fair weather fecks that they never realised (or didn't care) weren't genuinely loyal to the cause.
The thing is that the SNP aren't the only Independence party. The Scottish Greens and Alba (led by Alex Salmond) are around but they refuse to actually work together with those two on Independence because the SNP want to monopolise the Independence vote.
Those eejits snatched defeat from the jaws of victory in the last Scottish Parliament elections by refusing to listen to Salmond.
Salmond said that only one Independence party should contest the first-past-the-post seats while a different one contested the list seats.
The reason why? Whoever dominates the first-past-the-post seats can't win the list seats. The list seats rewards losers who can't win first-past-the-post.
If the SNP had just worked with a single Independence party, they could have had a significant separatist supermajority in the Scottish Parliament.
Instead, the wazzocks told their support base to vote SNP in both types of seat, dominated first-past and barely got anything in the list seats.
If I recall correctly, the SNP sunk something like two million list votes into 2 list seats. Meanwhile the Conservatives got over 25 list seats on 600,000 votes. Labour got over 20 list seats on even less votes. All those seats could have been Separatist seats if the SNP weren't colossal plukes.
That was either utter stupidity or deliberate sabotage of the independence cause, either way I despise the SNP. Feckin traitorous cretins.
The thing is that the SNP aren't the only Independence party. The Scottish Greens and Alba (led by Alex Salmond) are around but they refuse to actually work together with those two on Independence because the SNP want to monopolise the Independence vote.
Those eejits snatched defeat from the jaws of victory in the last Scottish Parliament elections by refusing to listen to Salmond.
Salmond said that only one Independence party should contest the first-past-the-post seats while a different one contested the list seats.
The reason why? Whoever dominates the first-past-the-post seats can't win the list seats. The list seats rewards losers who can't win first-past-the-post.
If the SNP had just worked with a single Independence party, they could have had a significant separatist supermajority in the Scottish Parliament.
Instead, the wazzocks told their support base to vote SNP in both types of seat, dominated first-past and barely got anything in the list seats.
If I recall correctly, the SNP sunk something like two million list votes into 2 list seats. Meanwhile the Conservatives got over 25 list seats on 600,000 votes. Labour got over 20 list seats on even less votes. All those seats could have been Separatist seats if the SNP weren't colossal plukes.
That was either utter stupidity or deliberate sabotage of the independence cause, either way I despise the SNP. Feckin traitorous cretins.
@Uncle Van you are right, the people who care more about liberals and pronouns and not conservatives and anti trans laws do exist
I think you don't understand something.
If I'm going against liberals, it's precisely because for the vast majority, they will create those oppressive laws or do NOTHING about them.
Liberals care about pronoun, because most of them want to be appreciated by progressists and don't want to be seen as conservatist. I, on the other hand, care about destroying a system that liberals are defending.
If you want to help t rans people, stop liberals from defending capitalism. You might have a shot in trying to stop the problem.
If I'm going against liberals, it's precisely because for the vast majority, they will create those oppressive laws or do NOTHING about them.
Liberals care about pronoun, because most of them want to be appreciated by progressists and don't want to be seen as conservatist. I, on the other hand, care about destroying a system that liberals are defending.
If you want to help t rans people, stop liberals from defending capitalism. You might have a shot in trying to stop the problem.
You could say that in the US, democrats are indeed more progressive than most liberals on LGBTQI+ rights. Which is logical, their voices is stronger in the US and therefore has more chances to be heard.
But the system that oppresses them mainly is still here.
Trans issues is a CLASS issues also.
Liberals are doing the minimum. They allow basic care for trans people ? Wow ! Good, and we should applaud something just normal ? Oh great ! Biden is not attacking the rights of trans people ... what a relief !
Meanwhile in the real world, trans people are still unemplyed, they are still treated like crap by psychiatry, they are still oppressed on a large system scale. Doing the bare minimum is not enough.
This is what I'm saying. Liberals take the shape of progressists and leftist to appeal to those people, but in reality, they do not care about doing REAL deep SYSTEMIC change in society.
Do you feel like democrats are trying to destroy systemic racism by attacking the funds and the education of the police ?
Do you feel like there is a wide spread systemic change to create a less oppressive world for non valid people in the capitalistic world ?
Do you feel like democrats are systematically trying to challenge patriarchy ?
Do you feel like democrats are trying to challenge capitalism or meritocracy ?
I do not.
So until proven otherwise : Liberals are wolves in sheep clothings !
But the system that oppresses them mainly is still here.
Trans issues is a CLASS issues also.
Liberals are doing the minimum. They allow basic care for trans people ? Wow ! Good, and we should applaud something just normal ? Oh great ! Biden is not attacking the rights of trans people ... what a relief !
Meanwhile in the real world, trans people are still unemplyed, they are still treated like crap by psychiatry, they are still oppressed on a large system scale. Doing the bare minimum is not enough.
This is what I'm saying. Liberals take the shape of progressists and leftist to appeal to those people, but in reality, they do not care about doing REAL deep SYSTEMIC change in society.
Do you feel like democrats are trying to destroy systemic racism by attacking the funds and the education of the police ?
Do you feel like there is a wide spread systemic change to create a less oppressive world for non valid people in the capitalistic world ?
Do you feel like democrats are systematically trying to challenge patriarchy ?
Do you feel like democrats are trying to challenge capitalism or meritocracy ?
I do not.
So until proven otherwise : Liberals are wolves in sheep clothings !
Lmao. Never. Scots are too spineless to even vote for independence, let alone fight for it.
The toughest pill for me to swallow was realising that a large chunk of the Scottish National Party "voter base" were not actually genuine Scottish Independence supporters but were just voting for the separatist SNP purely because they thought it was going to be the quickest way to live in a left wing country while the UK was under forever right wing Conservative Party rule.
The moment the unionist but left wing Labour Party was set to finally win a UK general election, the SNP was dropped by those political fair weather fecks because the goal for them was never Scottish Independence, it was living in a left wing nation.
If you gave those fecks the option of a right wing independent Scotland or a left wing United Kingdom, they would choose a left wing United Kingdom every single time. It was never about Scottish Independence for them but about hating the Conservatives.
It didn't help that the SNP have become a party dedicated to losing ever since Alex Salmond left the party. These useless sassenachs always snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Only way Scots get independence now is if an English separatist movement succeeds taking England out of the UK. Lel.
The toughest pill for me to swallow was realising that a large chunk of the Scottish National Party "voter base" were not actually genuine Scottish Independence supporters but were just voting for the separatist SNP purely because they thought it was going to be the quickest way to live in a left wing country while the UK was under forever right wing Conservative Party rule.
The moment the unionist but left wing Labour Party was set to finally win a UK general election, the SNP was dropped by those political fair weather fecks because the goal for them was never Scottish Independence, it was living in a left wing nation.
If you gave those fecks the option of a right wing independent Scotland or a left wing United Kingdom, they would choose a left wing United Kingdom every single time. It was never about Scottish Independence for them but about hating the Conservatives.
It didn't help that the SNP have become a party dedicated to losing ever since Alex Salmond left the party. These useless sassenachs always snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Only way Scots get independence now is if an English separatist movement succeeds taking England out of the UK. Lel.
y'all could join EU as an.independent country. Then brexit England looks even stupider.So it's a people's front of Judea vs Judea's people's front kinda situation
The U.S. Democratic party are not more progressive than liberals. That is so uninformed lmao. The Democrats have always been a right wing party that positions themselves as "not the Republicans". Republicans are the pure right wing party, so the Democrats are the "less" right wing one to appear as the lesser of 2 evils.
They didn't give a shit about LGBTQ rights until it became mainstream and reliable PR. They allow anti trans legislation to pass but give an inch because they have to make SOME progress for their image.
Their whole strategy is to paint themselves as the good guys, do the same thing with same results as the Republicans in the background, and is forced to allow progress here and there given their position.
They didn't give a shit about LGBTQ rights until it became mainstream and reliable PR. They allow anti trans legislation to pass but give an inch because they have to make SOME progress for their image.
Their whole strategy is to paint themselves as the good guys, do the same thing with same results as the Republicans in the background, and is forced to allow progress here and there given their position.
Too bad y'all could join EU as an.independent country. Then brexit England looks even stupider.
y'all could join EU as an.independent country. Then brexit England looks even stupider.
So it's a people's front of Judea vs Judea's people's front kinda situation
Thing is, they could have still embraced Salmond's plan but just swapped Alba with the Scottish Greens, they have feckin worked together in the past. The SNP are just pathetic losers dedicated to never winning though, so they refused the plan out of spite and screwed everyone in the independence movement.
Like I said, either deliberate sabotage or such utter stupidity as to be functionally treasonous. The SNP deserve to be politically wiped out.