Controversial General Political Discussion

[Owl Ki]

Many conservatives are pro-Israel. It has nothing to do with CIA or Zionism.

If you're pro-Isreal then you're a Zionist. I don't expect a nation in South America to even care about Israel/Palestine. But waving Israeli flags is a full on brown nosing bitch move.

If I see my government waving the flag of another nation en masse, I'm just going to consider them a cabinet of cucks. Only the flag of the nation should fly in the nation's seat of power.

Criminals obviously infiltrate every riot and there are those that are sent by the government itself. Drop the crack pipe.

Ain't we mostly agreeing here? Excusing looting rioters is bullshit cause they're either criminals (likely) or feds (possible)? Lol.

 

[AL sama]

And how's it goinag over there in Bangladesh? Haven't checked out the news in a while. Has the military taken over yet?

we now have an interim government until we can hold an election again

things are still very unstable and unsafe

to top things many areas got flooded and millions of people are suffering

 

[Toby D. Dog]

CIA backed pro-Zionist sellouts. As soon as they get in, you just know those fecks are going to care more about Israel than Venezuela and go full Milei. They've already been pictured waving Israeli flags. Expect them to soon be wearing kippahs and kissing the Wall.

Yeah, they’re already poising themselves to privatize absolutely everything. Machado said it plain and simple.

They won fair and square tho, and Maduro has caused nothing but misery. I’ve seen it first hand everytime I go back to Colombia and see homeless migrants all over the place.
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Ikr
Germany is also considered a rich country but the citizens themselves aren't for multiple reasons

I don’t think is the same exact situation. Inequality in Brazil is just on another level. Even the US is not as unequal as places like Brazil or Ecuador.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

we now have an interim government until we can hold an election again

things are still very unstable and unsafe

to top things many areas got flooded and millions of people are suffering

Shit
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I don’t think is the same exact situation. Inequality in Brazil is just on another level. Even the US is not as unequal as places like Brazil or Ecuador.

Yes I know. I didn't want to sound like playing the victim card, just pointing out that big economy ≠ prosperous citizens

 

[AL sama]

Political violence was literally used to scare your previous gouvernment out of power, WDYM ?



Literally hundreds of people died while fighting for you to have a less oppressive gov!

Have some respect for them at least.

no you ignorant boy (even tho you're older than me) don't go thinking rioting did anything good to the nation

in fact it did nothing to the government and they only got scared when the entire nation started protesting against them

also while most students were just protesting some morons took advantage of the situation and started rioting which only caused trouble to normal folks

in fact some morons are still rioting and damaging the country

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Yes I know. I didn't want to sound like playing the victim card, just pointing out that big economy ≠ prosperous citizens

I know you aren’t. I agree with your overall point.

 

[NAMELESS]

If you're pro-Isreal then you're a Zionist

Not really,some people recognize the right of Israel to exist,but they do not think Israel is entitled to more arab lands(like i do).

 

[Logiko]

no you ignorant boy (even tho you're older than me) don't go thinking rioting did anything good to the nation

in fact it did nothing to the government and they only got scared when the entire nation started protesting against them

Why do you think there were prostest by the entire nation in the first place ?



Spoiler : Because people who used violence PUSHED the power to it's limits and pushed it to make bad descisions. Descision that would have NEVER happened by protesting peacefully with smily faces.

It's because people take risks that some protest succeed !

also while most students were just protesting some morons took advantage of the situation and started rioting which only caused trouble to normal folks

in fact some morons are still rioting and damaging the country

Some, maybe yes. But not those who really mattered.

Be sure of one things : You don't get rid of an oppressive gov simply through peacefull protests and you don't get the population's support simply by doing nothing more that wave some flags !

You get that by pushing the power to make mistakes.

This is the reason why I shared Nemik's manifesto HERE.

 

[AL sama]

Spoiler : Because people who used violence PUSHED the power to it's limits and pushed it to make bad descisions. Descision that would have NEVER happened by protesting peacefully with smily faces.

It's because people take risks that some protest succeed !

spoilers its cause government started mass killing protestors

rioting did nothing

Some, maybe yes. But not those who really mattered.

Be sure of one things : You don't get rid of an oppressive gov simply through peacefull protests and you don't get the population's support simply by doing nothing more that wave some flags !

You get that by pushing the power to make mistakes.

again rioting did nothing

protesting on the other hand did everything that we need

however you're too ignorant to comprehend anything

 

[Owl Ki]

Not really,some people recognize the right of Israel to exist

Spoiler

Literally the fundamental requirement to be a Zionist. Lol.

 

[Logiko]

spoilers its cause government started mass killing protestors

rioting did nothing

Yeah. Protestor peacefull at first but with non peacefull action and methods. I'm not talking here necessarily about riots, I'm talking about a violent approach, a step beyond simple protests, a pressure on the Forces supposed to maintain order..

Of course some were killed by nothing nothing and that why pushing the gov to make a mistake is important. Because this is the violence that came after that really mattered, and raised the awareness. The conflict escalated and pushed people to be even more radical while creating a situation of support from the population.

Again, you can't simply get change with peace.

however you're too ignorant to comprehend anything

I'm sorry to live and being educated in a country that managed to literally changed the face of the world because of violent protests and organized citizens.

I'm must be completely ignorant..

 

[AL sama]

Yeah. Protestor peacefull at first but with non peacefull action and methods. I'm not talking here necessarily about riots, I'm talking about a violent approach, a step beyond simple protests, a pressure on the Forces supposed to maintain order..

Of course some were killed by nothing nothing and that why pushing the gov to make a mistake is important. Because this is the violence that came after that really mattered, and raised the awareness. The conflict escalated and pushed people to be even more radical while creating a situation of support from the population.

Again, you can't simply get change with peace.



I'm sorry to live and being educated in a country that managed to literally changed the face of the world because of violent protests and organized citizens.

I'm must be completely ignorant..

sure you know better than me about what happened here lol

btw look up how Bangladesh was born

 

[NAMELESS]

Spoiler

Literally the fundamental requirement to be a Zionist. Lol.

Did you read your own definition? Israel has being a independent nation for decades now. Nobody said anything about turning Palestine into Israel.

 

[Logiko]

sure you know better than me about what happened here lol

No. After all, I might be wrong, and the reason why the gov panicked might simply be do to incompetency and pure ideology. After all, everything is possible.

btw look up how Bangladesh was born

Wasn't your country created after a war ?

 

[Owl Ki]

Did you read your own definition? Israel has being a independent nation for decades now. Nobody said anything about turning Palestine into Israel.

We had listed "creation, development, support and protection."

Creation has been achieved. Development, protection and support are still ongoing.

 

[NAMELESS]

We had listed "creation, development, support and protection."

Creation has been achieved. Development, protection and support are still ongoing.

Zionists want to expand Israel all the way to Egypt. Stfu,i do not support that. Many people do not.

 

[AL sama]

Wasn't your country created after a war ?

yes and the violent protests are in roots of Bangladesh

so I m well aware of what rioting can do just like you but that doesn't mean rioting is good

 

[Owl Ki]

Zionists want to expand Israel all the way to Egypt. Stfu,i do not support that. Many people do not.

And initially the Zionists wanted to expand from the Mediterranean coastline in the West to the Dead Sea in the East and from the Port of Eilat in the South to the Golan Heights in the North. They will continue expanding for as long as they have development, support and protection from external actors i.e. foreign Zionists.

 

[Logiko]

so I m well aware of what rioting can do just like you but that doesn't mean rioting is good

I think you are confusing the action of rioting and the action of burning simple small businesses and car.

Rioting is a method of action with those behavior ON THE SIDE. The purpose is to push the forces of power back. To their limits. The purpose is to scare them and gain back the agentivity.

This is something that you will pretty much never be able to do peacefully unless there is an instant movement of process that can scare the power.

Big oppressions requires biggers and stronger movements. It means different method, from general strikes to violent protest.

What you are afraid of are the artefact left from those protest in cases where bad apples are using the movements to spread chaos, either by interest or by whim.

 

[AL sama]

I think you are confusing the action of rioting and the action of burning simple small businesses and car.

Rioting is a method of action with those behavior ON THE SIDE. The purpose is to push the forces of power back. To their limits. The purpose is to scare them and gain back the agentivity.

This is something that you will pretty much never be able to do peacefully unless there is an instant movement of process that can scare the power.

Big oppressions requires biggers and stronger movements. It means different method, from general strikes to violent protest.

What you are afraid of are the artefact left from those protest in cases where bad apples are using the movements to spread chaos, either by interest or by whim.

bruh stop