News One Piece: Vivre Card (Data book)-Discussion Thread

Over 1100 chapters and we still know dogshit
Speculations over speculations and silhouettes over silhouettes
This is not great writing, just my opinion
True,since Black Blades are once again currently another upcoming topic ,how long does Oda intend to wait to explain it?
We where in Wano where one Black Sword came into existence Shishui ,which is the Land of the greatest swordsmiths.
Do we really only get an explanation when Zoro fights Mihawk


Mihawk :"Roronora the reason your Blade didn‘t turn black yet simply is ……"

:seriously:
 
True,since Black Blades are once again currently another upcoming topic ,how long does Oda intend to wait to explain it?
We where in Wano where one Black Sword came into existence Shishui ,which is the Land of the greatest swordsmiths.
Do we really only get an explanation when Zoro fights Mihawk


Mihawk :"Roronora the reason your Blade didn‘t turn black yet simply is ……"

:seriously:
Wano was such a let down
:whitepress:
I would rather reread FMI
:kayneshrug:
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
Hiw would Ryokugyu have made his when Fujitora failed, despite the fact that Fujitora uses his sword in every battle and Ryokugyu doesn’t?
It’s probably because Fujitora wields a supreme blade. Seems like the only one who could actually blacken a supreme blade was Mihawk. Green Bull likely wields a great blade that he turned black.
 
That‘s an wild statement,wouldn‘t go that far :milaugh:

Or this panel,why don‘t we get Vegapunks full answer this moment was perfect to reveal the buccaneers power .
Yet we got this :kriwhat:
Some people say:
"Oda will reveal it later"
Thanks Sherlock but we don’t want everything at once
:kriwhat:
and btw I’m serious about FMI
Fisher Tiger's flashback + the themes of this arc were awesome
FMI only lacked some good fights
Wano had mediocre fights and lacked in every other aspect
FMI is not among my favourites but Wano is my least fav arc
 

TheKnightOfTheSea

𝕷𝖔𝖗𝖉 𝖔𝖋 𝕸𝖔𝖔𝖓'𝖘 𝕾𝖕𝖆𝖜𝖓
The question for “why can’t Ryokugyu have a black blade” that I have is really more “why would he have one and not Fujitora?”

Of the two, Fujitora has clearly been portrayed as the swordsman. Every time he fights he uses his (as we now know Supreme Grade) sword.

Hiw would Ryokugyu have made his when Fujitora failed, despite the fact that Fujitora uses his sword in every battle and Ryokugyu doesn’t?

You can come up with tragic stories of Ryokgyu being a swordsman who hides his true power due to the suicide of his lover etc etc, but really, when it comes purely down to the two‘s fighting style as shown by Oda so far, Ryokugyu being the better swordsman than Fujitora makes zero sense.



He’s also pretty explicitly an Akainu fanboy who loves his approach to things.



You could never imagine Kizaru saying what Ryokugyu there did. Him and Akainu are partners, Ryokugyu comes across as far more subservient.
You're posting a page of him majorly going behind Sakazuki's back lol
 
Crazy and out my ass but what if black blades are forged through a sacrifice. Like something crazy like killing a loved one or suicide. It being similar to zoan awakenings requiring death but still unique


We know Aramaki’s tattoo hints at suicide and death of a loved one. So maybe the sword originally belonged to a girl he really loved whether familial or romantic. Her death being what made the blade black with Aramaki deciding to hold it as a part of her. He can probably use it too but only when pushed to

Mihawk back in his youth definitely went through some big loss with it being tied to the betrayal he felt. Maybe after that lost he learned how black blades are permanently made and decided to try and achieve it. If he wasn’t strong enough he’d just kill himself but if he was he’d be able to overcome death and become one with yoru. If he didn’t try to kill himself what if the person that betrayed him used his own sword and literally stabbed him in the back leaving him to die. With the same effect either way. That maybe explaining his double ringed eyes because he and yoru are 1



There are a lot of ties between death and swords. Plus again the zoan comparison

This could also imply kuina is secretly alive sabo style since wado isn’t black. Which I wouldn’t mind tbh with her coming back as a man would be interesting imo


Ryuma potentially killing himself to make shusui black
It’d be mad funny if shusui did the same with zoro but he just didn’t realize because the blade is already black. Like if the scar on his eye is him deadass accidentally stabbing himself in the face lol. Him dying but surviving and growing stronger in the process. The blade wanting to be a part of zoro like it was ryuma. So it’d be like even tho he gave the sword up to wano it’s still with him in a way
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Crazy and out my ass but what if black blades are forged through a sacrifice. Like something crazy like killing a loved one or suicide. It being similar to zoan awakenings requiring death but still unique


We know Aramaki’s hints at suicide and death of a loved one. So maybe the sword originally belonged to a girl he really loved whether familial or romantic. Her death being what made the blade black with Aramaki deciding to hold it as a part of her. He can probably use it too but only when pushed to

Mihawk back in his youth definitely went through some big loss with it being tied to the betrayal he felt. Maybe after that lost he learned how black blades are permanently made and decided to try and achieve it. If he wasn’t strong enough he’d just kill himself but if he was he’d be able to overcome death and become one with yoru. If he didn’t try to kill himself what if the person that betrayed him used his own sword and literally stabbed him in the back leaving him to die. With the same effect either way. That maybe explaining his double ringed eyes because he and yoru are 1



There are a lot of ties between death and swords. Plus again the zoan comparison

This could also imply kuina is secretly alive sabo style since wado isn’t black. Which I wouldn’t mind tbh with her coming back as a man would be interesting imo


Ryuma potentially killing himself to make shusui black
It’d be mad funny if shusui did the same with zoro but he just didn’t realize because the blade is already black. Like if the scar on his eye is him deadass accidentally stabbing himself in the face lol. Him dying but surviving and growing stronger in the process. The blade wanting to be a part of zoro like it was ryuma. So it’d be like even tho he gave the sword up to wano it’s still with him in a way
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This is a cool theory ngl.
 
Crazy and out my ass but what if black blades are forged through a sacrifice. Like something crazy like killing a loved one or suicide. It being similar to zoan awakenings requiring death but still unique


We know Aramaki’s tattoo hints at suicide and death of a loved one. So maybe the sword originally belonged to a girl he really loved whether familial or romantic. Her death being what made the blade black with Aramaki deciding to hold it as a part of her. He can probably use it too but only when pushed to

Mihawk back in his youth definitely went through some big loss with it being tied to the betrayal he felt. Maybe after that lost he learned how black blades are permanently made and decided to try and achieve it. If he wasn’t strong enough he’d just kill himself but if he was he’d be able to overcome death and become one with yoru. If he didn’t try to kill himself what if the person that betrayed him used his own sword and literally stabbed him in the back leaving him to die. With the same effect either way. That maybe explaining his double ringed eyes because he and yoru are 1



There are a lot of ties between death and swords. Plus again the zoan comparison

This could also imply kuina is secretly alive sabo style since wado isn’t black. Which I wouldn’t mind tbh with her coming back as a man would be interesting imo


Ryuma potentially killing himself to make shusui black
It’d be mad funny if shusui did the same with zoro but he just didn’t realize because the blade is already black. Like if the scar on his eye is him deadass accidentally stabbing himself in the face lol. Him dying but surviving and growing stronger in the process. The blade wanting to be a part of zoro like it was ryuma. So it’d be like even tho he gave the sword up to wano it’s still with him in a way
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Sounds cool but I don't think it fits One Piece
 
Still don't think he created it though.
I think for an admiral level character who has a peer with peak CoO (Fujitora), having the equivalent level of CoA he uses through exceptional sword skill, it's not far fetched he could've forged it. Thing is, if we assume that Aramaki didn't forge it himself, it would unnecessarily introduce another background character that happened to forge it.
 
I think for an admiral level character who has a peer with peak CoO (Fujitora), having the equivalent level of CoA he uses through exceptional sword skill, it's not far fetched he could've forged it. Thing is, if we assume that Aramaki didn't forge it himself, it would unnecessarily introduce another background character that happened to forge it.
And good luck arguing that irrelevant background character is > Roger because he forged a BB
 
I think for an admiral level character who has a peer with peak CoO (Fujitora), having the equivalent level of CoA he uses through exceptional sword skill, it's not far fetched he could've forged it. Thing is, if we assume that Aramaki didn't forge it himself, it would unnecessarily introduce another background character that happened to forge it.
Exaclty.
As It was said in thread about this:

If he has one, it's because he forged it. If he's not a good swordsman, it doesn't even make sense for Oda give him a sword like that, let alone create a random samurai just for Greenbull to have stolen a sword that he doesn't even use properly.
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
And good luck arguing that irrelevant background character is > Roger because he forged a BB
Thing is, Ryokugyu having a black blade wouldn’t even prove he’s stronger than Roger. I mean sure the strongest Pirate of all time was never man enough to fight an Admiral, but the sheer idea that Ryokugyu forged a black blade doesn’t mean he’s stronger than Roger lmfao.

Ima be real with yall. It’s just because it’s harder to turn a supreme blade black than it is to turn a great blade. That’s the reason Ryokugyu has a black blade and Roger doesn’t. And sure, Ryokugyu could be superior to Roger in terms of swordsmanship. That also wouldn’t necessarily make him stronger than Roger.
 
Armament Haki is also more closely related to swordsmanship and swordskill (hardening to avoid damage to the blade, Ryuo to "cut everything"). It is what was described as the "pinnacle of swordsmanship".

Conqueror's Haki is basically just steroids, significantly amping your offensive power. Zoro got it, Mihawk will have it too obviously. That's why the likes of Roger don't need to have exceptional skill - even though they obviously have skill, because peak CoC makes up for it.

As far as I know, Ushimaru and Vista were called Dai Kengou (great swordsman/swordsmaster), while Shanks was merely labelled as Kengou (which is swordmaster). Further testament being that Vista's swordsmanship was compared to Mihawk's. But obviously Shanks is far above both Vista and Ushimaru.

Given the portrayal of the character Aramaki is based on, he will probably too be a Dai Kengou.

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