Character Discussion Is anyone else getting Tried of the lack of Training and initiative?

[DonWick]

What

Robin at best would defeat queen in her prime

The reason I’m saying that is because she needs to have the power to protect herself considering her importance. She should be able to fight Rob Lucci alone EOS.

I’m saying should as in ideally but it’s likely not going to happen.

 

[Cruxroux]

The reason I’m saying that is because she needs to have the power to protect herself considering her importance. She should be able to fight Rob Lucci alone EOS.

Just why.
It's literally stated in Zou , she has strong people protecting her now. When Neko questioned it.

She doesn't need to be strong.
" As strong as Rob Lucci. "

What drugs are you all doing?

 

[DonWick]

Just why.
It's literally stated in Zou , she has strong people protecting her now. When Neko questioned it.

She doesn't need to be strong.
" As strong as Rob Lucci. "

What drugs are you all doing?

That’s cool they aren’t always there. She should be able to protect herself. What if Sanji was fighting Boa or Smoothie instead of Black Maria who can he call then?

 

[Cruxroux]

That’s cool they aren’t always there. She should be able to protect herself. What if Sanji was fighting Boa or Smoothie instead of Black Maria who can he call then?

Boa might have the largest chest in Grandline.
But Zoro has the second biggest chest.
He can always count on zori.

 

[Kung-Fu Dugong]

I understand that but the vast majority of them don’t have haki to improve. They don’t seem to even know it exists.

They're all aware of it, they all witnessed Luffy's CoC in Fishman Island. And Usopp, for example, unlocked his CoO in the middle of the Dressrosa battle against the Donquixote Pirates. That's probably how all (or almost all) the other Supernovas did it (including Ace), they went to the New World and fought hard challenges (in the case of Ace, he had it since he was a child, but he first learned to control it after fighting a vice admiral in Sabaody, according to novel A). Only Luffy and Zoro had haki trainers, apparently.

 

[grey matter]

Honestly, the raid needed to fail, followed by a 2-3 years training arc

 

[Nolimittweezy]

I think some people are mixing up overall strength with just basic competency.

For nameless marine fodder to have Haki while majority of the Strawhats don’t is just tragic.
The likes of Caribou being able to decimate the Strawhats outside of Luffy & the top 3 Commanders is ridiculous.

Marines are specifically trained in various forms of combat. Them being nameless means nothing.
There are only a handful of people with Logia powers out of the billions in the world.

 

[Tai long]

you are getting it wrong they are part of luffys crew because of their skill sets not because they are strong. the only people that need to be strong are fluffy and zoro the rest can be strong or not.

 

[DonWick]

Honestly, the raid needed to fail, followed by a 2-3 years training arc

I agree. They should have lost and stay in Wano got more powerful and then won. Then they’d really seem like a Yonko Crew.

 

[BigAmmi]

Naah lol.
Pirate king crew doesn't necessarily means it has to be the strongest.
Being strongest isn't the goal here.

Being strongest and not even be stronger than ad ordinary yonko crew are two totally different thing

However, shp will be the strongest crew in history

Shp strongest members > Pk strongest members > ordinary yonko crew strongest members
Shp mid members > Pk mid members > ordinary yonko crew mid members
Shp weak members > pk weak members > ordinary yonko crew weak members

Luffy> roger > kaido
Franky > ??? > queen
Nami > ??? > P1

ecc ecc

This is basically obvious

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Being strongest and not even be stronger than ad ordinary yonko crew are two totally different thing

However, shp will be the strongest crew in history

Shp strongest members > Pk strongest members > ordinary yonko crew strongest members
Shp mid members > Pk mid members > ordinary yonko crew mid members
Shp weak members > pk weak members > ordinary yonko crew weak members

Luffy> roger > kaido
Franky > ??? > queen
Nami > ??? > P1

ecc ecc

This is basically obvious

In all fairness, Crocus figured a bunch of randoms from the east blue could kill him… let’s not overrate all of Roger’s crew. It was just him Rayleigh Gaban and Oden really

 

[Cruxroux]

However, shp will be the strongest crew in history

Nope. They won't be.

Luffy> roger > kaido
Franky > ??? > queen
Nami > ??? > P1

ecc ecc

This is basically obvious

What no.

Luffy >~ Roger
Zoro > Ray
Sanji >~ Gaban.

That's all.
Rest don't belong there. Maybe jimbei but not more than than.

Also nor Roger neither whitebeard roamed the Seas with just 10 people.
It was fuckin crew of 100+ people.
Same with Kaidou and Bigmam.
And shanks as well.
Not even BBP roam around in that short number.

SHP might have overly powerful top tiers like Luffy and Zoro. But that's it.

 

[DonWick]

They're all aware of it, they all witnessed Luffy's CoC in Fishman Island. And Usopp, for example, unlocked his CoO in the middle of the Dressrosa battle against the Donquixote Pirates. That's probably how all (or almost all) the other Supernovas did it (including Ace), they went to the New World and fought hard challenges (in the case of Ace, he had it since he was a child, but he first learned to control it after fighting a vice admiral in Sabaody, according to novel A). Only Luffy and Zoro had haki trainers, apparently.

I’m not actually sure Ussop knows that he has haki. That’s one of the most disappointing displays Oda has shown us. He used it once in Dressrossa and that was it. If they know what him is and don’t care to learn it as pirates they are retarted.

 

[Desolate Smaug]

They at least need haki. Robin needs to be a top tier for sure.

Nah, she needs to be commanders level. She needs to be able to hold off and possibly defeat people like Smoothy, Jack or Queen. Same with Franky and Maybe Brook.
The Billion trio needs to be top tiers though. That'll SH crew one of the strongest ever to exist. Possibly stronger than Rocks when you factor in the insane levels of their captain.

 

[BigAmmi]

Nope. They won't be.



What no.

Luffy >~ Roger
Zoro > Ray
Sanji >~ Gaban.

That's all.
Rest don't belong there. Maybe jimbei but not more than than.

Also nor Roger neither whitebeard roamed the Seas with just 10 people.
It was fuckin crew of 100+ people.
Same with Kaidou and Bigmam.
And shanks as well.
Not even BBP roam around in that short number.

SHP might have overly powerful top tiers like Luffy and Zoro. But that's it.

Ofc zoro will be the only one who will surpass his ""predecessor"" by a discret margin, in your argument lol

And lufy will be only >= roger, even if we know that he needs to defeat even imu, who is a god tier


Can u tell me the name of roger's allies?

We are in a battle shonen manga, they will overcome every pirate crew, even in strength

U will see, your headcanon will be easily debunked

 

[Tai long]

I agree. They should have lost and stay in Wano got more powerful and then won. Then they’d really seem like a Yonko Crew.

so they would attempt a raid and kaido won't find and kill all the remaining samurais. where do you expect them to hide for 3 yers

 

[BigAmmi]

In all fairness, Crocus figured a bunch of randoms from the east blue could kill him… let’s not overrate all of Roger’s crew. It was just him Rayleigh Gaban and Oden really

U are talking about the begininng of te manga, more than 20 years ago here, oda changed lots of things. One piece should have ended at alabasta, just sayng

Rogers pirates was an op crew, however this doesn't mean that every member was op

We know that even with rhp pirates the avarage of power level is higher than an ordinary yonko crew, well, roger's pirate were even stronger than them, and prime shp will be stronger than roger's pirate

Shp's pirates > roger's pirate > rhp's pirate > ordinary yonko crew

 

[Cruxroux]

Ofc zoro will be the only one who will surpass his ""predecessor"" by a discret margin, in your argument lol

And lufy will be only >= roger, even if we know that he needs to defeat even imu, who is a god tier

Zoro Goal is far beyond Strength wise.
After Rayleigh Mihawk is there.

- Imu powers are still unknown and Imu couldn't stop Roger from getting One piece either , Shanks haki is conpared to Joyboy. Roger was more or less equal or stronger than this shanks a little bit. Do you math and you will get your answer.

- imu is god tier. Says who? Either she is gonna be another broken Kaguya or Acnologia. Which would make that fight simply A group effort again. Or Somewhere around roger / WB peak levels.

Can u tell me the name of roger's allies?

We are in a battle shonen manga, they will overcome every pirate crew, even in strength

U will see, your headcanon will be easily debunked

Go to any flashback of roger and you will see multiple pirates around them. Fodder class or not , numbers do matter if you're not a conqueror.

Anyone below Jimbei will get overwhelmed by numbers and eventually win.

" we are in a shounen Manga , they will overcome every piraye crew , even in strength "

That's what you all doesn't understand , PK is not all abour strength. Mihawk clearly stated that. It's much more difficult to surpass him.

Because PK is more or less a Luck title only , Ponelglyph hunting and other stuff is way too difficult.

Roger had to beg WB to give Oden or else he would have never become PK.

"Even in strength" naah lol.

 

[Kung-Fu Dugong]

you are getting it wrong they are part of luffys crew because of their skill sets not because they are strong. the only people that need to be strong are fluffy and zoro the rest can be strong or not.

Yeah, there's that too. Myself, I'm particularly fine if not everyone in the SHs unlocks haki.

I’m not actually sure Ussop knows that he has haki. That’s one of the most disappointing displays Oda has shown us. He used it once in Dressrossa and that was it. If they know what him is and don’t care to learn it as pirates they are retarted.

Well, Usopp might still be learning to control it, but he does know about haki, as he talks especifically about it in Dressrosa and later uses Big Mom's CoC in his own favor in Onigashima.

Spoiler

 

[BigAmmi]

Nah, she needs to be commanders level. She needs to be able to hold off and possibly defeat people like Smoothy, Jack or Queen. Same with Franky and Maybe Brook.
The Billion trio needs to be top tiers though. That'll SH crew one of the strongest ever to exist. Possibly stronger than Rocks when you factor in the insane levels of their captain.

Agree, it's pretty obvious

However, i don't see jinbe as strong as that

Imo yc1 is fair for him

Luffy = god tier, stronger than im
Zoro = high yonko tier, stronger than kaido
Sanji = average admiral level, stronger than aramaki
Yamato (???) = average admiral level, stronger than aramaki
Jinbe = strongest commander (marco, king, kata ecc)

Pretty op imo