Conservative and liberal media work together to make people lean more right wing, and make apolitical people vote against liberals. Their methods work every time.
True

:goyea:

It's sadly a consequence of the nature of capitalism, the bourgeoisie always favor its interest and since most media channel are own by people with a big fortune.. well that's the consequences.

On top of that, apolotical people and confusionnist are push to vote also for the most conservatives people as well by logical result against for the interest of wealthy liberals, but against liberals and leftist overall.
 
What shift ? There is only a small rise for latino mens and a very faint one for black men, the rest has been steady since 2016



Now this is true.



No, that's not the reason why some men are voting right lol.

Men are voting for Trump because they do not suffer any prejudice. Look at the differences between white men and women and the rest.




We have evidences mate. That's the problem. You ignore them.
Kinda proving the point here - it your presumption is men don't have anything to suffer about then that's not really attractive for men to vote for. Who would have thunk.
 
Kinda proving the point here - it your presumption is men don't have anything to suffer about then that's not really attractive for men to vote for. Who would have thunk.
Men do have some to suffer about, for example, men like me are part of a minorities whose interests are to the radical left side, to the point where if I truly voted for my interest, NO party on EARTH would be able to convince me since ableism is the level below zero in the hierarchy of priorities of all people, included the leftists I'm voting for at the moment. I would need to seek the creation of an anti-psychiatric and anti ableist movement which would be targeted by the institutions and taken down mediatically is the span of a millisecond.

But.. I have to understand that despite that, I'm still favored in a lot of ways. and a black women will most likely have a lot more problem that I have structurally.

That's why intersectionnality is important, the crossroads of oppression creates more oppression.

Men, who are white, Cis, valid, and straight, and in the wealth norm do not have any problem on the cross road, they are therefore less encline to understand what people like me can live or people like Zemmi.

So, the vote for Trump will be majoritary has their fears of losing this privilege is fuelled by the propaganda. In other words, people are not pushed to vote for Trump because of others or because of their interests, but because of irrationnal fear that they confuse for their interests and are nourrished by people like Musk or Trump.
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
There is one political party which caters to minorities mostly and if anyone doesn't agree then they get branded as racists

To make it worse, they are so incompetent that they can't do a speech or an interview without teleprompter or framing questions to be asked first



On the other hand, there is this second party which is raising issues which is affecting me - my security, my job and my finances. Things which are basic necessities of my day to day life. They aren't calling me racists and sexists or Nazi for having different opinion or voting someone else

They are also coming across as more competent than the first party..even if they aren't they are doing fine enough to look better than the first party







Ya my vote is going to the second party
 
There is one political party which caters to minorities mostly and if anyone doesn't agree then they get branded as racists
Which is wrong since leftists who didn't vote for them and choosed to abstain because they disagree with them, are not branded as racist.

:kayneshrug:


To make it worse, they are so incompetent that they can't do a speech or an interview without teleprompter or framing questions to be asked first
This is true.
:goyea:
On the other hand, there is this second party which is raising issues which is affecting me - my security, my job and my finances
Good luck with that
 
He didn't say it was about disagreeing with them, the disagreement was about the catering to minorities part.
That's literally the same thing.. lol

:kaidowhat:

Imagine being sentenced to 2 years of prison in the UK because you threw some soup on glass

https://www.france24.com/en/live-ne...ed-for-throwing-soup-at-van-gogh-s-sunflowers


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I mean we all know that an art piece is so much more important than the lives of million of people potentially ruined by climate change... right ?

Who can blame the state... ? Poor glass

:HappyClown:
 
You probably missed the multi-million masterpiece behind the glass.
I swear you're a fucking clown

I used to think these activists were silly but they're actually very brave to risk years and years of prison for doing something as insignificant as that

The UK's democracy is very close to Hungary. They don't even need a crackpot like Orban, Trump or Erdogan to get elected. We don't talk about the UK enough but they're a finished country too.
 
I swear you're a fucking clown

I used to think these activists were silly but they're actually very brave to risk years and years of prison for doing something as insignificant as that

The UK's democracy is very close to Hungary. They don't even need a crackpot like Orban, Trump or Erdogan to get elected. We don't talk about the UK enough but they're a finished country too.
If I am the clown why are they the ones with coloured hair pulling pranks?
 

Uncle Van

Bullets don't hurt. But Taxes do.
If you're gonna bring up the negatives of a 2025-2029 Trump presidency, please bring practical reasons instead of the "racist! sexist!" emotional appeal and the doom and gloom. Most people voted Trump for economic reasons, so explain why the economy is screwed under Trump.
 

Daniel

Don't mind the name tag
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Give me some studies showing that people are pushed toward far right ideologies simply because some people label them as problematic people.
You don't think that the constant slander and these so-called 'cautionary tales' by the media, such as this and this (and more), combined with a presidency marked by lockdowns, 'forced' vaccinations, sharp spikes in the price of everything (especially rent and gas), and constant reminders of two ongoing wars (the war in Ukraine and the Israel/Palestine conflict), have had an impact?

The US also had to witness Biden fumbling in a presidential debate to the point where Trump ran circles around him. As if the president of the supposed "greatest country in the world" being older than someone's grandfather suffering the end stages of dementia is something to be proud of. The clip of Biden falling down the airplane stairs, which was barely covered by the media as something insignificant only made him that much less fit to be the president of the United States.

In online
Personally, the constant mistreatment of people that supposedly lean conservative (or Trump supporter) all the while having anyone that lean democrat (Biden supporter), far left, or the lgbt+ receive no pushback for some of their more questionable actions that warranted it made me understand that if you weren't in the far left/democrat/lgbtq online, you and the others who browse the fringes of the internet were pretty much on your own.
 
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You don't think that the constant slander and these so-called 'cautionary tales' by the media, such as this and this (and more), combined with a presidency marked by lockdowns, 'forced' vaccinations, sharp spikes in the price of everything (especially rent and gas), and constant reminders of two ongoing wars (the war in Ukraine and the Israel/Palestine conflict), have had an impact?

The US also had to witness Biden fumbling in a presidential debate to the point where Trump ran circles around him. As if the president of the supposed "greatest country in the world" being older than someone's grandfather suffering the end stages of dementia is something to be proud of. The clip of Biden falling down the airplane stairs, which was barely covered by the media as something insignificant only made him that much less fit to be the president of the United States.

In online
Personally, the constant mistreatment of people that supposedly lean conservative (or Trump supporter) all the while having anyone that lean democrat (Biden supporter), far left, or the lgbt+ receive no pushback for some of their more questionable actions that warranted it made me understand that if you weren't in the far left/democrat/lgbtq online, you and the others who browse the fringes of the internet were pretty much on your own.
I would like to ask what do you mean by far left?,
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I just remember too, if you disagreed with the democrats about Palestine and protested it, many people were beat up for it and arrested, so not much of a left-wing party, but more left wing than the republicans,
 
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Most people voted Trump for economic reasons
No.
They.
Didn't.

You don't vote for a billionnaire who want to eliminate taxes for "economical reasons" when there is a dire need for social services and a redistribution of wealth and when we know most of the measures will benefit mostly the wealthy AND when we know that Trump is about to unleash an inhuman deportation of people beneficial for the economy that will require a large amount of ressources that will simply NOT go to the economy.

People do not care about facts and data, they are NOT voting for their interest, they are voting for their values.

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There is a reason why I'm changing the way I interact here. We understood in the french left (after many years) that the problem was our obsession to try and convince conservative when the reality is that we had the PROOF by A+B that those people do not care about the facts. Quite literally, when people are presented with facts, they denied it in front of you.. literally as explained here in this video by this doctor in political science and rethoric analyst (it's in french.. too bad.):


The point of this video is something I have been refusing to see for years: We are living in the post truth Era.

This means that no matter how many times you will try to show facts to some people, they will invent their own facts. This is something that has been developped by the far right AND some Liberals. And the problem is that it works !

But it works only for those who create the most appealing facts, which are, logically : Conservatives.

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So no, I won't waste my time trying to debunking things that you can find anywhere on a quick google scholar search, I will focus from now on with the fact of creating a wall between those who defends those person who enable those who defend those person and some of us.

This means targetting directly and without blinkin the REAL reason for the Trump vote instead of the one liberals and Trumpist want us to swallow:

This vote is based on identitary values nothing else.


You call someone who is trying to open your eye about the horror that is climate change.. a prank ?


You don't think that the constant slander and these so-called 'cautionary tales' by the media, such as this and this (and more), combined with a presidency marked by lockdowns, 'forced' vaccinations, sharp spikes in the price of everything (especially rent and gas), and constant reminders of two ongoing wars (the war in Ukraine and the Israel/Palestine conflict), have had an impact?
You combined here things that I'm denouncing and things I agree with.

Labelling people has NO effect on their ideology.

On the other hand, the rise of prices and the abandon of democrats of the working class might explain the radicalization of a PART of the working class toward the far right who is luring them with big demogagic promisses.

But if those people were REALLY interested by their interest, they would be going toward the side that has more chances to resolve the problem instead of a Billionnaire who will factually worsen the inflation.

When people are presented with the facts and datas relatives to the incompetency of a candidate, they should listen. But as I explained earlier, this is not what motivates this part of the working class.


The US also had to witness Biden fumbling in a presidential debate to the point where Trump ran circles around him. As if the president of the supposed "greatest country in the world" being older than someone's grandfather suffering the end stages of dementia is something to be proud of.
People who invocate the "public image" of Biden when supporting all the racist and sexist shortcuts of Trump have no say.

If you criticize one, be sure to understand why the other is as problematic.
 
No.
They.
Didn't.

You don't vote for a billionnaire who want to eliminate taxes for "economical reasons" when there is a dire need for social services and a redistribution of wealth and when we know most of the measures will benefit mostly the wealthy AND when we know that Trump is about to unleash an inhuman deportation of people beneficial for the economy that will require a large amount of ressources that will simply NOT go to the economy.

People do not care about facts and data, they are NOT voting for their interest, they are voting for their values.

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There is a reason why I'm changing the way I interact here. We understood in the french left (after many years) that the problem was our obsession to try and convince conservative when the reality is that we had the PROOF by A+B that those people do not care about the facts. Quite literally, when people are presented with facts, they denied it in front of you.. literally as explained here in this video by this doctor in political science and rethoric analyst (it's in french.. too bad.):


The point of this video is something I have been refusing to see for years: We are living in the post truth Era.

This means that no matter how many times you will try to show facts to some people, they will invent their own facts. This is something that has been developped by the far right AND some Liberals. And the problem is that it works !

But it works only for those who create the most appealing facts, which are, logically : Conservatives.

----

So no, I won't waste my time trying to debunking things that you can find anywhere on a quick google scholar search, I will focus from now on with the fact of creating a wall between those who defends those person who enable those who defend those person and some of us.

This means targetting directly and without blinkin the REAL reason for the Trump vote instead of the one liberals and Trumpist want us to swallow:

This vote is based on identitary values nothing else.



You call someone who is trying to open your eye about the horror that is climate change.. a prank ?



You combined here things that I'm denouncing and things I agree with.

Labelling people has NO effect on their ideology.

On the other hand, the rise of prices and the abandon of democrats of the working class might explain the radicalization of a PART of the working class toward the far right who is luring them with big demogagic promisses.

But if those people were REALLY interested by their interest, they would be going toward the side that has more chances to resolve the problem instead of a Billionnaire who will factually worsen the inflation.

When people are presented with the facts and datas relatives to the incompetency of a candidate, they should listen. But as I explained earlier, this is not what motivates this part of the working class.



People who invocate the "public image" of Biden when supporting all the racist and sexist shortcuts of Trump have no say.

If you criticize one, be sure to understand why the other is as problematic.
Wealth redistribution is something nobody needs. This is why they voted for the GOAT.
 
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