Uncle Van

Bullets don't hurt. But Taxes do.
No.
They.
Didn't.

You don't vote for a billionnaire who want to eliminate taxes for "economical reasons" when there is a dire need for social services and a redistribution of wealth and when we know most of the measures will benefit mostly the wealthy AND when we know that Trump is about to unleash an inhuman deportation of people beneficial for the economy that will require a large amount of ressources that will simply NOT go to the economy.

People do not care about facts and data, they are NOT voting for their interest, they are voting for their values.

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There is a reason why I'm changing the way I interact here. We understood in the french left (after many years) that the problem was our obsession to try and convince conservative when the reality is that we had the PROOF by A+B that those people do not care about the facts. Quite literally, when people are presented with facts, they denied it in front of you.. literally as explained here in this video by this doctor in political science and rethoric analyst (it's in french.. too bad.):


The point of this video is something I have been refusing to see for years: We are living in the post truth Era.

This means that no matter how many times you will try to show facts to some people, they will invent their own facts. This is something that has been developped by the far right AND some Liberals. And the problem is that it works !

But it works only for those who create the most appealing facts, which are, logically : Conservatives.

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So no, I won't waste my time trying to debunking things that you can find anywhere on a quick google scholar search, I will focus from now on with the fact of creating a wall between those who defends those person who enable those who defend those person and some of us.

This means targetting directly and without blinkin the REAL reason for the Trump vote instead of the one liberals and Trumpist want us to swallow:

This vote is based on identitary values nothing else.



You call someone who is trying to open your eye about the horror that is climate change.. a prank ?



You combined here things that I'm denouncing and things I agree with.

Labelling people has NO effect on their ideology.

On the other hand, the rise of prices and the abandon of democrats of the working class might explain the radicalization of a PART of the working class toward the far right who is luring them with big demogagic promisses.

But if those people were REALLY interested by their interest, they would be going toward the side that has more chances to resolve the problem instead of a Billionnaire who will factually worsen the inflation.

When people are presented with the facts and datas relatives to the incompetency of a candidate, they should listen. But as I explained earlier, this is not what motivates this part of the working class.



People who invocate the "public image" of Biden when supporting all the racist and sexist shortcuts of Trump have no say.

If you criticize one, be sure to understand why the other is as problematic.
It is 100% objective that the #1 driving force behind votes is the economy. That is obvious and incredibly ignorant to deny it. I would advice to start actually learning history.

The sad truth is that the politics of most people are self serving. Social policies only affects certain people. Economic policies affect everyone.
 
It is 100% objective that the #1 driving force behind votes is the economy. That is obvious and incredibly ignorant to deny it. I would advice to start actually learning history.

The sad truth is that the politics of most people are self serving. Social policies only affects certain people. Economic policies affect everyone.
Yeah, you'll find those who benefit most from a policy will be the most ardent supporters - as it's self-serving. For example, people who are reliant on social welfare, disability payments, etc are the most in favour of them. Of course, I agree with helping our disabled (within reason) but I cannot help but feel some activists are simply looking out for number 1 at the end of the day.
 
It is 100% objective that the #1 driving force behind votes is the economy. That is obvious and incredibly ignorant to deny it. I would advice to start actually learning history.

The sad truth is that the politics of most people are self serving. Social policies only affects certain people. Economic policies affect everyone.
Why so?,

Edit: Reffering to the first two sentences,
 
Wealth redistribution is something nobody needs.
Let's see how it goes for you when the wealth of the 1% will be in the Trillions.
It is 100% objective that the #1 driving force behind votes is the economy.
It would be true if people voted for those who are advocating for:

- Better social service
- A powerful healthcare system
- Free schools
- Radical Wealth redistribution.

If your point of view is to vote for a billionnaire when every data and studies point to the end of meritocracy and the redistribution of wealth... Well I can't count you vote for economical interest as a legitimate and I'm forced - when looking at all the impacts of the politic of Trump on people (not just workers) - to say that your vote is not based on interests, but values.

Values that have been radicalized in order to hate on those with less privileges than you. And here those are :

- Migrants
- LGBTQI+
- Minorities

When, presented evidences (I'm talking about a french case here) that you are voting for a guy that does not understand what he promotes, has never worked a day in his life, is actually voting AGAINST the raise of the wages and AGAINST better working conditions and rights for workers..

The only possible explanation to your vote is that the facts of the incompetency of the one you vote for do not scare you, the only thing that you are voting for are for those "damn migrant" to get the hell out of your country because they are taking all your money (when in reality it's not the case).

Again. Understanding the identitary basis of this vote is something we had to learn the hard way in France. And this is the reason why we won the legislative elections and the reasons why our left is strong.

And this applies the same way for the US because the SAME actors are at plays in the SAME circoumstances.



I agree with helping our disabled (within reason)
This sentence says everything I need to know.

Keep your poor arguments to yourself, I don't need a bunch of weirdos to lecture me by throwing soup on a piece of art.
I hope you won't be affected by any climate problem then. Good luck !
 

Uncle Van

Bullets don't hurt. But Taxes do.
Yeah, you'll find those who benefit most from a policy will be the most ardent supporters - as it's self-serving. For example, people who are reliant on social welfare, disability payments, etc are the most in favour of them. Of course, I agree with helping our disabled (within reason) but I cannot help but feel some activists are simply looking out for number 1 at the end of the day.
Yep. If a President has an inflationary economy upping the cost of living, voters will go for another person to fix their plight. It has happened time and time again regardless of social problems.
 
This sentence says everything I need to know.
Unfortunately my dude, I've met enough dole dossers who claim mental illness but spend all day on their hobbies; have a fulfilled social life, and are able to function normally UNTIL they have to work and suddenly they're too ill. That's not a person who is disabled - it's a leech.

I will champion the assistance of sufferers of downs syndrome, MLS, and other degenerative/physical diseases. I have a friend with schizophrenia who genuinely cannot work - but this is evident even in his personal life where his meds slow his brain and he sleeps all the time.

I have limits to what I'd like to support with my tax payer money. Why is my labour and thus liberty less important than other people's? I should have a choice over what I support.

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Yep. If a President has an inflationary economy upping the cost of living, voters will go for another person to fix their plight. It has happened time and time again regardless of social problems.
Nah bro, think it's just racism. :seriously:
 

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It would be true if people voted for those who are advocating for:

- Better social service
- A powerful healthcare system
- Free schools
- Radical Wealth redistribution.
I mean the democrats didn't really looked like they tried to go after these points but about " communities , let's all be friends, identity stuff etc etc " which the people who can barely afford food or live paycheck to paycheck dont really give a damn about.....

Values that have been radicalized in order to hate on those with less privileges than you. And here those are :

- Migrants
- LGBTQI+
- Minorities
This is not entirely false.....but the migrants point it's a legit concern, the LGBT/minorities have just been hella obnoxious and some people want indeed revenge but that's also a minority again nobody really gives a damn about those issues if their primary concern is putting something on the fridge or paying the electricity bill
 
I mean the democrats didn't really looked like they tried to go after these points but about " communities , let's all be friends, identity stuff etc etc " which the people who can barely afford food or live paycheck to paycheck dont really give a damn about.....



This is not entirely false.....but the migrants point it's a legit concern, the LGBT/minorities have just been hella obnoxious and some people want indeed revenge but that's also a minority again nobody really gives a damn about those issues if their primary concern is putting something on the fridge or paying the electricity bill
A really beautiful piece of art about this that I saw today,
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=ht...bp&s=a5c3ab3daa1117d8b50edbf38092408d2c036ffe

But I would like to say, the views of the subreddit are not my own, just a really amazing piece of art =] ,
 
If you're gonna bring up the negatives of a 2025-2029 Trump presidency
It didn't even start... I'm sure I will often wake up with a dumbass tweet from him during the next 4 years though.

please bring practical reasons instead of the "racist! sexist!" emotional appeal and the doom and gloom.
I couldn't agree more. These emotional things actually don't even matter because Muslim ban, ICE, Roe v Wade and peeing on Russian prostitutes were never a thing :myman:

People didn't elect him "because his economic policies seemed so good" they elected him because they didn't remotely care about all the rest. Not their business. Egoism at its finest.

Most people voted Trump for economic reasons, so explain why the economy is screwed under Trump.
We all know you wanna talk about the economy so badly and nothing but the economy :suresure:

Trickle down economics is so good and practically works 200% of the time :steef:

Wealth redistribution is something nobody needs. This is why they voted for the GOAT.
Wealth inequality is as good as in the end of the 19th century :BigW:

If I am the clown why are they the ones with coloured hair pulling pranks?
What do you think about Trump's hair ?
 

Uncle Van

Bullets don't hurt. But Taxes do.
It didn't even start... I'm sure I will often wake up with a dumbass tweet from him during the next 4 years though.



I couldn't agree more. These emotional things actually don't even matter because Muslim ban, ICE, Roe v Wade and peeing on Russian prostitutes were never a thing :myman:

People didn't elect him "because his economic policies seemed so good" they elected him because they didn't remotely care about all the rest. Not their business. Egoism at its finest.



We all know you wanna talk about the economy so badly and nothing but the economy :suresure:

Trickle down economics is so good and practically works 200% of the time :steef:



Wealth inequality is as good as in the end of the 19th century :BigW:



What do you think about Trump's hair ?
Are you ok?
 
My economic theses summed up are, people get good, good, people get bad, bad,
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- Blax Blah, 2024, Writings on the Election of the United States President,
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How would Superman deal with Ukraine and Palestine? I wonder...
First priority in my opinion, everyone involved is pushed somewhere away from the conflict, I would say children first, but it doesn't make a difference when Superman is that fast,
 
People do not care about facts and data, they are NOT voting for their interest, they are voting for their values.
Like I said some days ago, people think they voted for a better economy but in reality they elected a billionaire whose only interest is to enrich himself and his butt buddies.

Wealth redistribution is something nobody needs. This is why they voted for the GOAT.
Said the UK citizen, one of the most classist modern countries in the world, run by a monarchy that spends insane amounts on celebrating a coronation while millions of citizens can't afford food and the rivers&tap water contaminated with literal sewage. Make it make sense🤡

The sad truth is that the politics of most people are self serving. Social policies only affects certain people. Economic policies affect everyone.
Social policies affect everyone. Policy that enriches the 1% benefits the 1% and harms everyone else.

1+1=5 according to you?

Trickle down economics is so good and practically works 200% of the time
:steef:
:saden:
 
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