[FNZ] Light game Naruto Chunin Exams Filler Game
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Okay saw cobra unvoting
Also @Gambit do you have your entire reads like i asked ?
Okay i am pretty sure you are townie . With 3 mafia players in the game there is no way TAC would have bussed you , it was spite lynch neverthless . Its odd reborn choose you need decent explanation on this .
Sera is still neutral in my reads . Need more clarity on them .
Also @Gambit do you have your entire reads like i asked ?
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Okay i am pretty sure you are townie . With 3 mafia players in the game there is no way TAC would have bussed you , it was spite lynch neverthless . Its odd reborn choose you need decent explanation on this .
Sera is still neutral in my reads . Need more clarity on them .
Let me explain few things. Read each word properly.
I am tired of spoon feeding everything everytime. It required lot of work and I didn't want to do that anymore as townie. But I guess I have to
Now let's move on to my first reasoning.
1) reading host Perspective on how he can balance the game -
It's not bad tactics. I learnt from krog and al sama. It's bad when you don't know how host thinks at all or it is bad when you rely solely on it. You guys haven't hosted game with al so you don't know but I did.
I didn't rely solely on this. I tried to read how al would balance players because he himself has said to me when I was co-host how he does things.
Yes he could change it but there is also a possibility that he doesn't.
i said ", there could be at least one scum among - gambit, nat, me, tac and fallen with Gambit being the most probable one.
Why gambit?
Why gambit? Because not only he is most experienced but also no one knows his meta here.
He could be the best candidate to have as scum. So I tried to put pressure on him by saying he is the probable candidate. There is nothing wrong with using such tactics in no claim game.
Why I mentioned "at least one"
Also, I said "at least one" because I factored in that host might add someone else as scum as well as surprise element. I left NW because I didn't feel al will make him as scum and it turns out he was town.
Out of these five, i started questioning everyone because even I know that pushing someone as sus based on such perspectives is tin foil.
I didn't sus anyone straightaway.
On tac
So, I questioned tac yesterday intially for being too - co-operative( I can quote my post if you want) but it was tin foil and later changed my read to neutral on him. I never gave town read to him as sera said.
And, you know what happened today - he turned out to be mafia(one of five people I placed in that category)
On Gambit
I didn't sus gambit straight away either. I asked for his reads. But he didn't. I asked again and then looked at his posts and found that he is simply commenting on mechanics, and other stuffs but doing nothing to scum hunt.
So i felt a bit sus on him. But then he over reacted badly. I felt more sus but end up arguing with sera and lost track of time and thread.
Gambit never came clean.
2) questioning people -
I didn't get killed last night. I hardly get Lynched - just once so far. I usually survive or get killed.
So when I found out that I didn't get killed then I felt that it could be due to people whom I raised sus yesterday.
So I started asking questions to them.
3)tac interaction.
From initial sus on tac to Neutral read on him later on, he wasn't my priority and I accept that especially when he got inactive later on and I didn't have much to push him as sus
But today, he flipped mafia.
Now, let me tell you how lynching or kill get information - when a Player is Lynched or killed, one can try to deduce who could be scum by looking at votes and interaction pattern.
Mafia chat in groups. I have been jester with tac and he doesn't like to bicker with his scum mates especially on day one.
Generally, Mafia usually try to avoid scum buddying on day one. It's too risky as scum.
Yes, some bold mafia do interact so one also has to take into account what kind of interactions is takings place between players.
So I factored two things while looking at tac posts
A) which player didn't question or stayed away from him
B) what kind of interactions he had with those with Whom he interacted so that I don't miss out on those as well who could be bold enough to scum buddy with tac or go against him.
I looked at his posts. ALL OF THEM
I will quote his posts and whom he questioned in my next post to give you people clear idea why I said that among remaining 8 players we can have potential mafia hiding
I am tired of spoon feeding everything everytime. It required lot of work and I didn't want to do that anymore as townie. But I guess I have to
Now let's move on to my first reasoning.
1) reading host Perspective on how he can balance the game -
It's not bad tactics. I learnt from krog and al sama. It's bad when you don't know how host thinks at all or it is bad when you rely solely on it. You guys haven't hosted game with al so you don't know but I did.
I didn't rely solely on this. I tried to read how al would balance players because he himself has said to me when I was co-host how he does things.
Yes he could change it but there is also a possibility that he doesn't.
i said ", there could be at least one scum among - gambit, nat, me, tac and fallen with Gambit being the most probable one.
Why gambit?
Why gambit? Because not only he is most experienced but also no one knows his meta here.
He could be the best candidate to have as scum. So I tried to put pressure on him by saying he is the probable candidate. There is nothing wrong with using such tactics in no claim game.
Why I mentioned "at least one"
Also, I said "at least one" because I factored in that host might add someone else as scum as well as surprise element. I left NW because I didn't feel al will make him as scum and it turns out he was town.
Out of these five, i started questioning everyone because even I know that pushing someone as sus based on such perspectives is tin foil.
I didn't sus anyone straightaway.
On tac
So, I questioned tac yesterday intially for being too - co-operative( I can quote my post if you want) but it was tin foil and later changed my read to neutral on him. I never gave town read to him as sera said.
And, you know what happened today - he turned out to be mafia(one of five people I placed in that category)
On Gambit
I didn't sus gambit straight away either. I asked for his reads. But he didn't. I asked again and then looked at his posts and found that he is simply commenting on mechanics, and other stuffs but doing nothing to scum hunt.
So i felt a bit sus on him. But then he over reacted badly. I felt more sus but end up arguing with sera and lost track of time and thread.
Gambit never came clean.
2) questioning people -
I didn't get killed last night. I hardly get Lynched - just once so far. I usually survive or get killed.
So when I found out that I didn't get killed then I felt that it could be due to people whom I raised sus yesterday.
So I started asking questions to them.
3)tac interaction.
From initial sus on tac to Neutral read on him later on, he wasn't my priority and I accept that especially when he got inactive later on and I didn't have much to push him as sus
But today, he flipped mafia.
Now, let me tell you how lynching or kill get information - when a Player is Lynched or killed, one can try to deduce who could be scum by looking at votes and interaction pattern.
Mafia chat in groups. I have been jester with tac and he doesn't like to bicker with his scum mates especially on day one.
Generally, Mafia usually try to avoid scum buddying on day one. It's too risky as scum.
Yes, some bold mafia do interact so one also has to take into account what kind of interactions is takings place between players.
So I factored two things while looking at tac posts
A) which player didn't question or stayed away from him
B) what kind of interactions he had with those with Whom he interacted so that I don't miss out on those as well who could be bold enough to scum buddy with tac or go against him.
I looked at his posts. ALL OF THEM
I will quote his posts and whom he questioned in my next post to give you people clear idea why I said that among remaining 8 players we can have potential mafia hiding
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Nope. He made a post about TAC and went on to vote for me, a bore 
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other than that his reads so far everything was sus about him so its best to have him lynch .
Hello evryone I think I answer to everyone who quoted me :
Yes I voted againts Zara even if sussed you and Cobra the most last day.
But Zara behavious with Beta was really really off so I decided to vote againts her. I had a case against you because of your weird answers the fact your beg Reborn for his protection and you did several things during day 1 that were weird. But at the end all those things were too much for a scum play and from your only scum play last time this was not your behaviour.
For Cobra because of his inactivity and his cryptics answers I wanted to vote against him too.
But Zara at the end of the day was def a weird one.
Finalbeta voted against her and her only reaction was to ask him to unvote her because it will be better for her and ally against someone else. She didn't really give answers about that and seemed just to want Beta to unvote her not for Town or anything but for personal reason and just for her. I found that behaviour sus and because I didn't have a real real scum on you and Cobra was my vote if I had no one else I voted against Zara.
About my vote yes it may seem I bandwagonned and tried to lynch her among the others but even before yourself or before Gambit I already talked with Sera about her and how I found her game to be weird. It was like one or two pages before you voted against her.
So it was not really a wagon that I followed I was on her.
@Seraphoenix I think this also answer your question about my vote.
I agree that thoses reads were not top notched but frankly the day one was not at all an open book. There was TAC vs Beta, there was Yo Tan vs Sera and Jew behaviour.
Except giving my opinion that all of that was mostly bullshit and doesn't really scum I couldn't really said other wise. And day 1 I am not used to give full amazing read because the situation is often a mess and difficult to read (at least for me).
I don't think that for a day 1 thoses reads were horrible.
Jew weird things were numerous during day 1 even if he explain himself after (and I didn't voted against him because at the end I thought he was not really scum) : Reborn protection, Zara last minute unvote, and other things.
I answer Jew about the Zara vote it is the first part of my post.
Yeah I didn't have a lot of time to play today.
Once again I didn't really did a last minute changing vote. (see the first answer to Jew here).
I have played with TAC a good number of times
I can agree that my reads were soft but I don't think they were off. I still don't believe Beta was scum because of sussing back and lack of activity early day 1 and your play with Sera while extra weird was not a scum move too for me. About Jew thing I already gave an explanation.
And you know me I am always polite ^^
This was the direct answer I will give you my reads before the countdown.
Yes I voted againts Zara even if sussed you and Cobra the most last day.
But Zara behavious with Beta was really really off so I decided to vote againts her. I had a case against you because of your weird answers the fact your beg Reborn for his protection and you did several things during day 1 that were weird. But at the end all those things were too much for a scum play and from your only scum play last time this was not your behaviour.
For Cobra because of his inactivity and his cryptics answers I wanted to vote against him too.
But Zara at the end of the day was def a weird one.
Finalbeta voted against her and her only reaction was to ask him to unvote her because it will be better for her and ally against someone else. She didn't really give answers about that and seemed just to want Beta to unvote her not for Town or anything but for personal reason and just for her. I found that behaviour sus and because I didn't have a real real scum on you and Cobra was my vote if I had no one else I voted against Zara.
About my vote yes it may seem I bandwagonned and tried to lynch her among the others but even before yourself or before Gambit I already talked with Sera about her and how I found her game to be weird. It was like one or two pages before you voted against her.
So it was not really a wagon that I followed I was on her.
@Seraphoenix I think this also answer your question about my vote.
I agree that thoses reads were not top notched but frankly the day one was not at all an open book. There was TAC vs Beta, there was Yo Tan vs Sera and Jew behaviour.
Except giving my opinion that all of that was mostly bullshit and doesn't really scum I couldn't really said other wise. And day 1 I am not used to give full amazing read because the situation is often a mess and difficult to read (at least for me).
I don't think that for a day 1 thoses reads were horrible.
Jew weird things were numerous during day 1 even if he explain himself after (and I didn't voted against him because at the end I thought he was not really scum) : Reborn protection, Zara last minute unvote, and other things.
I answer Jew about the Zara vote it is the first part of my post.
Yeah I didn't have a lot of time to play today.
Once again I didn't really did a last minute changing vote. (see the first answer to Jew here).
I have played with TAC a good number of times
I can agree that my reads were soft but I don't think they were off. I still don't believe Beta was scum because of sussing back and lack of activity early day 1 and your play with Sera while extra weird was not a scum move too for me. About Jew thing I already gave an explanation.
And you know me I am always polite ^^
This was the direct answer I will give you my reads before the countdown.
To say I “begged for Reborn’s protection” is a completely overblown way of portraying an early game mistake. You’re the ONLY one still coming after me for a benign slip, and now you’re painting it the wrong way seemingly on purpose. If you’re doing this to make yourself look more like a townie, it’s a wildly miscalculated move.
Also, you’re using the unvote on Zara...I already explained that was a misunderstanding of the third party mechanics, I erroneously equated SK with jester. Your case against me just has too many holes, especially considering what other users have done in the interim. Please don’t base your reads on things that don’t matter anymore. You are still polite, of course, but that doesn’t automatically mean you’re town.
Also, you’re using the unvote on Zara...I already explained that was a misunderstanding of the third party mechanics, I erroneously equated SK with jester. Your case against me just has too many holes, especially considering what other users have done in the interim. Please don’t base your reads on things that don’t matter anymore. You are still polite, of course, but that doesn’t automatically mean you’re town.
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I... Make up your mind, is he suspicious to you or not? 
Would lynch him in a heartbeat, but there are so many fingers pointing at Rayan here it won't even matter
Would lynch him in a heartbeat, but there are so many fingers pointing at Rayan here it won't even matter
I have my vote on Ryan , so the next on scum lean was Gambit .
I answering about what I thought you were a bit shady Day 1 and why I changed my vote for Zara, I don't use it as arguments against you Day 2 and I even said that after all of this I thought you were town. I said you were town day 1 on my read and didn't say you were scum here too. But day 1 yes you were on my list of players I had to keep an eye on.
What about the rest of my post about my change of vote etc ?
What about the rest of my post about my change of vote etc ?
You're coasting too much for my taste. Even when you're busy as townie, you still have an attitude. Like when you wanted me lynched as a cat 
Last minute Zara vote didn't help, especially since Zara wasn't your top suspect. And now you're telling me you suspect Jew still, which only scum would hang onto.
I would rather lynch Gambit, but town majority disagrees. If you flip town, alas it's a mislynch, we still love youuu
Last minute Zara vote didn't help, especially since Zara wasn't your top suspect. And now you're telling me you suspect Jew still, which only scum would hang onto.
I would rather lynch Gambit, but town majority disagrees. If you flip town, alas it's a mislynch, we still love youuu
@Jew D. Boy I don't use that against you now but I explained why I put you BEFORE on my short list. And you may have explained yourself since but I think you can also understand why during day 1 people could have questionned your behaviour
I think you did a fine job explaining your thinking on the vote, that all makes sense to me. You stated a case on Zara prior to either of us voting for her, so that’s defensible. She still ended up being town, though, so I can’t clear you just because I understand the logic you put forth. I still get the vibes that you’re the SK, and that can be true even if you’re hunting for mafia.
You’re right, I get that now.
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You’re right, I get that now.
I don't think you read my post then about why I changed vote from Jew/Cobra to Zara.
And no you didn't understand why I tried to say here : I don't suss Jew here and now but for a good part of day 1 I had an eye on him
love you too
the fact that she flipped town doesn't mean there is a problem with me, if at each mislychn we had to lynch back all the people who misvoted we would have had some problems. So yes she flipped town but for me what she said was suss so I voted against her. If we had to do that why not just voting against anyone who voted against her in the end.
Since when town majority means something to you ? I think you were an independant person ^^. What I want is not what the majority think about me I can asking them personally but I want to why YOU voted against me.
And no you didn't understand why I tried to say here : I don't suss Jew here and now but for a good part of day 1 I had an eye on him
love you too
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the fact that she flipped town doesn't mean there is a problem with me, if at each mislychn we had to lynch back all the people who misvoted we would have had some problems. So yes she flipped town but for me what she said was suss so I voted against her. If we had to do that why not just voting against anyone who voted against her in the end.
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Since when town majority means something to you ? I think you were an independant person ^^. What I want is not what the majority think about me I can asking them personally but I want to why YOU voted against me.
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vote lynch Cobra
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