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Logiko may come across as hypocritical to some participants in the thread, particularly when their critiques of others' arguments appear inconsistent with their own standards of debate. While they frequently demand rigorous evidence and logical consistency from others, they may be perceived as selectively applying these principles to their own arguments.
Examples of Potential Hypocrisy:
Examples of Potential Hypocrisy:
- Criticism of Bias:
- Logiko often accuses others of cherry-picking data or framing arguments ideologically. However, their own framing sometimes reflects a similar bias, especially when dismissing studies or perspectives that do not align with their worldview. For example, in discussions about gender roles and definitions, they reject interpretations they disagree with while asserting their preferred definitions as "scientific"
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- Logiko often accuses others of cherry-picking data or framing arguments ideologically. However, their own framing sometimes reflects a similar bias, especially when dismissing studies or perspectives that do not align with their worldview. For example, in discussions about gender roles and definitions, they reject interpretations they disagree with while asserting their preferred definitions as "scientific"
- Demand for Evidence:
- Logiko regularly challenges others to substantiate claims with studies or factual support but occasionally dismisses opposing evidence without fully engaging with it. This inconsistency can be seen in debates about the predictors of wealth, where their arguments emphasize structural barriers but sidestep counterpoints about individual agency or opportunity
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- Logiko regularly challenges others to substantiate claims with studies or factual support but occasionally dismisses opposing evidence without fully engaging with it. This inconsistency can be seen in debates about the predictors of wealth, where their arguments emphasize structural barriers but sidestep counterpoints about individual agency or opportunity
- Engagement Style:
- While Logiko criticizes others for being rigid or overly ideological, their tone and approach to certain discussions—such as their insistence on specific sociological definitions—can also come across as inflexible or dismissive, undermining their calls for open-mindedness
No, they have always been like that. The French and Russian revolutions were bloodbaths. These guys are evil and massively hypocritical.
It's useless in hot climate, these things turn into stoves. If you live in a cold place, i think it would work. Cheapest option is too just give these people camping gear.
Can chatgpt even discern a ideology free science source from one tainted with ideology?
Marxist literature itself is bullshit source.
The point isn't moot cause many(if not most) of the vaccines were mRNA.
On Faucci, he changed tunes on the covic vaccines.From this:
https://covidblog.oregon.gov/dr-fau...risks-from-vaccines-are-almost-nonmeasurable/
To this:
https://cei.org/opeds_articles/fauci-changes-his-public-tune-on-covid-vaccines/
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It's useless in hot climate, these things turn into stoves. If you live in a cold place, i think it would work. Cheapest option is too just give these people camping gear.
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BTW guyz. I have a fun exercice for all of you.
Go to your chatGPT and type this prompt:
Through a review of this thread : https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/general-political-discussion.37255/ Can you tell me which user is doing the best job at sharing viable and scientific informations ?
And Share the result here.
@Blax Blah @Gaimon The Pirate @Toby D. Dog @Bisoromi Bear @Monkey D Theories @Mr. Reloaded @Ravagerblade @Zenos7 @NAMELESS
Here is my result :
(note that it is just a fun exercice, it does not reflect necessarily the reality)
Go to your chatGPT and type this prompt:
Through a review of this thread : https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/general-political-discussion.37255/ Can you tell me which user is doing the best job at sharing viable and scientific informations ?
And Share the result here.
@Blax Blah @Gaimon The Pirate @Toby D. Dog @Bisoromi Bear @Monkey D Theories @Mr. Reloaded @Ravagerblade @Zenos7 @NAMELESS
Here is my result :
(note that it is just a fun exercice, it does not reflect necessarily the reality)
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Marxist literature itself is bullshit source.
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The point isn't moot cause many(if not most) of the vaccines were mRNA.
On Faucci, he changed tunes on the covic vaccines.From this:
https://covidblog.oregon.gov/dr-fau...risks-from-vaccines-are-almost-nonmeasurable/
To this:
https://cei.org/opeds_articles/fauci-changes-his-public-tune-on-covid-vaccines/
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You are living in a place that was build on the remain of slavery and a genocide. Relax.
Maybe.
But one thing is for sure !
It can tell the difference between someone who never share scientific conclusions or rationnal evidences and someone who never does and dismiss others on the subject.
Maybe.
But one thing is for sure !
It can tell the difference between someone who never share scientific conclusions or rationnal evidences and someone who never does and dismiss others on the subject.
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In the past? There was slavery. Genocide? No. Yet, YOU live in a nation that colonizes(discretely) a bunch of African nations in 2024 still. Talk about being a massive hypocrite and delusional.
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You are living in a place that was build on the remain of slavery and a genocide. Relax.
Maybe.
But one thing is for sure !
It can tell the difference between someone who never share scientific conclusions or rationnal evidences and someone who never does and dismiss others on the subject.
Maybe.
But one thing is for sure !
It can tell the difference between someone who never share scientific conclusions or rationnal evidences and someone who never does and dismiss others on the subject.
Interesting.
Maybe you are right. After all ChatGPT is just a language prediction based AI. It often do not tell factual things.
So.. let's ask ChatGPT another question:
Let's see.
Again, it's chatGPT, it's not an encyclopedia. But it's funny nonetheless
Maybe you are right. After all ChatGPT is just a language prediction based AI. It often do not tell factual things.
So.. let's ask ChatGPT another question:
Let's see.
Again, it's chatGPT, it's not an encyclopedia. But it's funny nonetheless
Chatgpt literally just reads everyone's comments and forms a conclusion based on what everyone says. It once called me an axe murderer who is mentally unstable and should go to prison, reading my roleplay posts from a forum game
@Logiko HYPOCRITE! You said to some people here that whoever supports a corp that has ties with Israel is genocide supporter. Well, my friend, how do you cope with this? Are you a genocide supporter yourself? Afterall, you need money from the French gov and you pays taxes that finances these things:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_France
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Massacres_committed_by_France
https://www.coe.int/en/web/roma-gen...Te/content/france-recognition-of-the-genocide
https://www.coe.int/en/web/roma-gen...edia.org/wiki/France_and_the_Rwandan_genocide
https://news.az/news/france-respons...t-indigenous-nations-martinique-freedom-party
https://www.cambridge.org/core/book...ria-18301847/1ABDDCF0B6095E529D93760938B40101
https://www.africanews.com/2021/02/17/french-allowed-rwanda-genocide-perpetrators-to-flee//
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_genocide_of_Indigenous_peoples
https://en.trend.az/azerbaijan/politics/3769750.html
https://ishr.ch/latest-updates/fren...ights-amid-controversial-power-plant-project/
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14623528.2013.789181
From Chatgpt:
(Massacres, Bloodsheds and Genocides)
France, with its long and complex history, has been involved in several major massacres, bloodshed, and genocides, both on its soil and as part of its empire. Here’s a list of the most significant incidents:
1. Saint Bartholomew's Day Massacre (1572)
(Modern day exploitation of Africa)
France's relationship with African nations, particularly former colonies, remains a contentious and complex issue. While overt colonial rule has formally ended, many argue that France continues to exert economic, political, and cultural influence over its former colonies, often referred to as "Françafrique." This term describes the network of political, economic, and military ties that continue to bind France to many African countries. Some critics view these relationships as a form of neo-imperialism or a subtle form of oppression. Below are key ways in which France's modern influence on African nations is seen as oppressive or exploitative:
1. Economic Exploitation and Neo-Colonialism
While France no longer formally controls its former African colonies, many critics argue that it continues to maintain a system of neo-colonial control through economic exploitation, military influence, and political manipulation. This complex relationship is often described as Françafrique — a term that encapsulates the deep, intertwined links between France and African countries, which are seen by some as undermining the sovereignty and development of African nations. Calls for greater transparency, independence, and genuine partnership have become increasingly prominent, especially as African countries push for a redefined relationship with their former colonizer.
Chatgpt and AI is still far from being a reliable source for things like this. "Axe murderer" lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_France
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Massacres_committed_by_France
https://www.coe.int/en/web/roma-gen...Te/content/france-recognition-of-the-genocide
https://www.coe.int/en/web/roma-gen...edia.org/wiki/France_and_the_Rwandan_genocide
https://news.az/news/france-respons...t-indigenous-nations-martinique-freedom-party
https://www.cambridge.org/core/book...ria-18301847/1ABDDCF0B6095E529D93760938B40101
https://www.africanews.com/2021/02/17/french-allowed-rwanda-genocide-perpetrators-to-flee//
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_genocide_of_Indigenous_peoples
https://en.trend.az/azerbaijan/politics/3769750.html
https://ishr.ch/latest-updates/fren...ights-amid-controversial-power-plant-project/
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14623528.2013.789181
From Chatgpt:
(Massacres, Bloodsheds and Genocides)
France, with its long and complex history, has been involved in several major massacres, bloodshed, and genocides, both on its soil and as part of its empire. Here’s a list of the most significant incidents:
1. Saint Bartholomew's Day Massacre (1572)
- Context: During the French Wars of Religion between Catholics and Protestants (Huguenots), a period of intense religious conflict.
- Event: On the night of August 23-24, 1572, thousands of Huguenots were massacred in Paris and across France. The massacre was initiated by the royal family, particularly Catherine de Medici, after the attempted assassination of Admiral Coligny, a Huguenot leader.
- Casualties: Estimates vary, but around 3,000 people were killed in Paris, and the total number of victims across France could be as high as 30,000.
- Context: During the French Revolution, a counter-revolutionary uprising occurred in the Vendée region, where royalists and Catholics resisted the revolutionary government.
- Event: The French Revolutionary Army, led by figures like General Turreau, launched a brutal campaign to crush the uprising. This included mass executions, scorched-earth tactics, and the systematic extermination of the population in the region.
- Casualties: Estimates of the death toll range from 100,000 to 250,000, making it one of the bloodiest episodes of the French Revolution.
- Context: Algeria was a French colony, and after decades of rising nationalist sentiment, the National Liberation Front (FLN) led an armed struggle for independence.
- Event: Both sides committed atrocities during the war, including widespread massacres. The French military engaged in torture, executions, and the destruction of villages. The FLN also carried out terrorist attacks against civilians.
- Casualties: Estimates of the total death toll during the war range from 300,000 to 1 million people, with many deaths from military operations, massacres, and reprisals.
- Context: This event occurred at the end of World War II, when nationalist movements in Algeria began to demand independence from French colonial rule.
- Event: On May 8, 1945, celebrations of the Allied victory in World War II turned into protests for Algerian independence in the city of Sétif. The French colonial forces responded violently, opening fire on unarmed demonstrators. The violence spread to neighboring areas, and French forces killed thousands of Algerians.
- Casualties: Estimates vary, but between 1,000 and 45,000 Algerians were killed, depending on the source. It is considered one of the key events that intensified the Algerian independence movement.
- Context: While the French Empire was primarily focused on the Americas (especially Canada), there were violent encounters between French settlers and indigenous groups. Some of these led to massacres and the spread of diseases that decimated indigenous populations.
- Event: Conflicts such as the Beaver Wars (mid-1600s) between French-allied tribes and those allied to the British led to significant bloodshed. The French, alongside their allies, were involved in the forced displacement and violent confrontations with indigenous groups.
- Casualties: Exact numbers are difficult to ascertain, but many indigenous peoples were decimated by war, displacement, and diseases brought by Europeans, resulting in the loss of thousands of lives.
- Context: The Albigensian Crusade was launched by the Catholic Church and the French crown against the Cathar heresy in southern France.
- Event: In the early 13th century, the Cathar movement, a Christian sect with dualistic beliefs, was deemed heretical by the Church. The crusade, initially led by Pope Innocent III, led to mass executions of Cathars, particularly in the Languedoc region. The siege of Beziers (1209) was one of the most infamous events, where a Catholic army slaughtered the population of the city.
- Casualties: Between 20,000 and 30,000 people were killed at Beziers alone, with tens of thousands of Cathars and their supporters killed during the crusade.
- Context: During World War II, France was occupied by Nazi Germany, and the Vichy regime, led by Marshal Philippe Pétain, collaborated with the Nazis in the persecution of Jews and other minorities.
- Event: The Vichy government facilitated the roundup and deportation of tens of thousands of Jews, Romani people, and others to Nazi concentration camps. The most infamous event was the Vel' d'Hiv Roundup in 1942, where over 13,000 Jews were arrested and sent to Auschwitz.
- Casualties: Around 76,000 Jews were deported from France to Nazi death camps, with very few surviving. Additionally, many others were subjected to forced labor, execution, and extermination.
- Context: The Reign of Terror was a period during the French Revolution marked by extreme political repression and mass executions.
- Event: Led by the Committee of Public Safety under Maximilien Robespierre, thousands of suspected counter-revolutionaries, royalists, and others were executed by guillotine. The violence was especially concentrated in Paris, but executions took place throughout France.
- Casualties: Between 16,000 and 40,000 people were executed or died in prison, though estimates vary. The total number of deaths linked to the period is likely higher when accounting for other causes such as disease and famine.
- Context: The Paris Massacres occurred during the French Revolution at a time of heightened fear and political instability.
- Event: On September 2-6, 1792, around 1,400 prisoners, many of whom were suspected counter-revolutionaries, were killed by mobs in the prisons of Paris.
- Casualties: Estimates of the number of victims vary, but at least 1,000 people were killed during the massacres.
(Modern day exploitation of Africa)
France's relationship with African nations, particularly former colonies, remains a contentious and complex issue. While overt colonial rule has formally ended, many argue that France continues to exert economic, political, and cultural influence over its former colonies, often referred to as "Françafrique." This term describes the network of political, economic, and military ties that continue to bind France to many African countries. Some critics view these relationships as a form of neo-imperialism or a subtle form of oppression. Below are key ways in which France's modern influence on African nations is seen as oppressive or exploitative:
1. Economic Exploitation and Neo-Colonialism
- CFA Franc and Monetary Control: Many former French colonies in West and Central Africa still use the CFA franc, a currency that is guaranteed by the French Treasury and managed by the French Central Bank. The currency system ties the economies of 14 African countries to France, with these nations having limited control over their own monetary policies. Critics argue that this arrangement limits the economic sovereignty of African countries, prevents them from devaluing their currency to stimulate growth, and channels profits to France.
- Resource Extraction and Economic Dependence: France maintains substantial economic interests in Africa, particularly in the extraction of natural resources like oil, uranium, and minerals. French multinational corporations such as Total (oil), Areva (uranium), and Bolloré (logistics) dominate the African resource sector, often benefiting disproportionately from African wealth while leaving behind environmental degradation and minimal economic development for local populations.
- Debt and Financial Influence: Many African nations remain heavily indebted to French financial institutions or the French government. These debts often come with high interest rates and conditions that critics argue perpetuate economic dependence and hinder true development.
- Support for Authoritarian Leaders: Since decolonization, France has been accused of propping up autocratic leaders and regimes in Africa, particularly in its former colonies. French presidents have historically formed alliances with corrupt or authoritarian leaders to protect French interests, including access to resources and maintaining geopolitical influence. For example, France supported leaders like Chad’s Hissène Habré, Côte d'Ivoire’s Laurent Gbagbo, and Gabon’s Omar Bongo. These alliances often involve military aid, political backing, and economic support, even when such regimes engage in human rights abuses.
- Military Presence and Interventions: France maintains military bases in several African countries, and it has intervened militarily on numerous occasions, sometimes without UN approval. Critics argue that these interventions are motivated by France's desire to maintain influence in its former colonies and protect its strategic interests. Examples include interventions in Mali (2013), the Central African Republic (2013), and Côte d'Ivoire (2002, 2011). While French officials claim these interventions are for humanitarian or counterterrorism purposes, critics contend that they often serve to stabilize pro-French regimes rather than promote democracy or stability.
- Promotion of the French Language and Culture: France has long promoted the French language and culture through institutions like the Agence Française de Développement (AFD), the Institut Français, and the Organisation Internationale de la Francophonie (OIF). While promoting language and culture is a legitimate endeavor, critics argue that it often comes at the expense of local languages and cultural traditions. The insistence on French as the language of education, government, and business in many African countries can marginalize indigenous languages and reinforce a perception that French culture is superior.
- Media Influence: French-language media outlets like RFI (Radio France Internationale) and France 24 continue to exert significant influence in many African nations. While they provide important news coverage, critics argue that these platforms often reflect French interests and perspectives, sometimes downplaying local African issues or presenting them in a way that suits French geopolitical objectives.
- Operation Barkhane and Counterterrorism: France’s ongoing counterterrorism operations in the Sahel (e.g., Operation Barkhane) are presented as efforts to combat Islamist terrorism, particularly in countries like Mali, Niger, and Burkina Faso. However, these operations have faced criticism for being too focused on French strategic interests, such as controlling regional security and protecting its economic interests in the region, rather than focusing on long-term peacebuilding or local governance. Additionally, these operations have sometimes resulted in civilian casualties and human rights abuses, further deepening resentment toward France.
- Military Bases and Influence: France has a network of military bases across Africa, often established in the context of bilateral agreements with local governments. While these bases are officially for defense cooperation and training, critics view them as a symbol of continued French dominance over African security matters and a reminder of the colonial past.
- Manipulating Electoral Outcomes: In some African countries, France has been accused of meddling in domestic politics, particularly in elections. France has been known to support certain candidates or parties that align with its interests. For example, during the 2002 elections in Côte d'Ivoire, France was accused of backing Laurent Gbagbo, whose leadership was seen as favorable to French economic and political interests.
- Diplomatic Leverage: France maintains strong diplomatic ties with many African countries through the France-Africa Summit, a platform that has been critiqued for its emphasis on maintaining relationships between the French state and African leaders, often at the expense of democratic governance and the wishes of the people. These summits have historically been venues for consolidating political and economic alliances, rather than advancing genuine development or democracy.
- Colonial Legacy: France’s colonial past continues to affect its relationships with many African nations. Colonial policies, such as forced labor, land expropriation, and the systematic destruction of indigenous cultures, have left lasting scars on African societies. Many critics argue that France has not sufficiently acknowledged or atoned for the harm caused by its colonial actions, and that this historical trauma continues to shape modern-day relations.
- Racism and Discrimination: Despite France’s image as a champion of human rights, there are ongoing issues with racism and discrimination against African and other minority communities within France itself. In recent years, there have been rising protests against police violence, institutional racism, and the marginalization of African immigrants and descendants, particularly in urban areas. Critics argue that France’s treatment of these communities reflects broader attitudes of superiority rooted in colonial history.
- Resource Extraction and Environmental Harm: France’s corporate interests in Africa, particularly in the mining and oil industries, have often been associated with environmental destruction. Companies like Total and Areva have been criticized for their role in exploiting Africa's resources while contributing little to local development or environmental protection. In Niger, for instance, the French company Areva (now Orano) has been criticized for its role in the extraction of uranium, which has caused severe environmental damage and health risks for local populations.
- Climate Change Impact: France’s economic and political ties with Africa are often linked to the extraction of resources that contribute to environmental degradation and climate change. Some African countries, particularly those in the Sahel region, face the brunt of the environmental crisis caused by climate change, but they are often excluded from decision-making processes about international climate policies where France’s own interests may be prioritized.
While France no longer formally controls its former African colonies, many critics argue that it continues to maintain a system of neo-colonial control through economic exploitation, military influence, and political manipulation. This complex relationship is often described as Françafrique — a term that encapsulates the deep, intertwined links between France and African countries, which are seen by some as undermining the sovereignty and development of African nations. Calls for greater transparency, independence, and genuine partnership have become increasingly prominent, especially as African countries push for a redefined relationship with their former colonizer.
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Chatgpt literally just reads everyone's comments and forms a conclusion based on what everyone says. It once called me an axe murderer who is mentally unstable and should go to prison, reading my roleplay posts from a forum game
Lmao. I finally found the right switch.
Tell me, do you think I have a choice to do thing other wise or the financial security to be able to immigrate in a free-from-oppression desert ?
No. I can't.
That's why I don't blame American for living in the USA right now. And yes, you are right, France was a colonial country and still is.
But if you are gonna call out the revolutions done by my ancestors to liberate France based on the blood spilled, I will bring the history of your country and the genocide it was based on. Genocide that you denied.
It's only fair game here.
Stop stealing my jokes Serbian bot programmer 
I remember a story from this thread revolving around an axe just saying
I remember a story from this thread revolving around an axe just saying
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Lmao. I finally found the right switch.
Tell me, do you think I have a choice to do thing other wise or the financial security to be able to immigrate in a free-from-oppression desert ?
No. I can't.
That's why I don't blame American for living in the USA right now. And yes, you are right, France was a colonial country and still is.
But if you are gonna call out the revolutions done by my ancestors to liberate France based on the blood spilled, I will bring the history of your country and the genocide it was based on. Genocide that you denied.
It's only fair game here.