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Yeah feels like he's using us both as a scapegoat to justify his morals, which seems to be that all of Palestine are terrorists. No matter who direct we both are that the civilians of Palestine are facing genocide, he strawmans our position as being "Hamas terrorist attacks and killing innocent people are justified."
First, i never claimed you supported Hamas, but calling them a resistance group legitimazes their actions. Which is both factually and morally wrong. Hamas was always a fundamentalist movement that aimed at the destruction of Israel.
If Hamas's creation is the result of Israeli actions, that is up for the debate. The nature of Hamas is not up for debate. It's a Jihad movement, and they themselves claim to be so.
If Hamas's creation is the result of Israeli actions, that is up for the debate. The nature of Hamas is not up for debate. It's a Jihad movement, and they themselves claim to be so.
I never said you did. I'm talking about soybeans.
And no...saying they were a resistance group that turned into full blown terrorists killing innocent people does not justify their actions. Saying a school shooter did it because of bullying does not justify mass shootings for example.
This same logic can be thrown back at you to claim you support ethnic cleansing or something, as Israel is now somehow justified in doing so because of Oct 7th and what not(not claiming you are, just pointing out faulty logic).
And no...saying they were a resistance group that turned into full blown terrorists killing innocent people does not justify their actions. Saying a school shooter did it because of bullying does not justify mass shootings for example.
This same logic can be thrown back at you to claim you support ethnic cleansing or something, as Israel is now somehow justified in doing so because of Oct 7th and what not(not claiming you are, just pointing out faulty logic).
Bro, i have been here since october 7. I know most of you guys takes on this. I know you are not a Hamas supporter, but they way you worded "resistance group" makes it confusing for people that are unaware of your takes.
And as Nat pointed out, in WW2, the allies killed thousand of civilians by bombing the Nazis. Such tragedies are sometimes inevitable in war. The whole "Israel is doing a genocide/ethic cleansing" thing will only be proved after all of this is over. There is no reliable source on this as of right now. We should wait things to unfold before judging.
And as Nat pointed out, in WW2, the allies killed thousand of civilians by bombing the Nazis. Such tragedies are sometimes inevitable in war. The whole "Israel is doing a genocide/ethic cleansing" thing will only be proved after all of this is over. There is no reliable source on this as of right now. We should wait things to unfold before judging.
We should not wait. Because some people are dying and others - like some of you guyz here - are trying to invisibilize those death by legitimizing or defending the actions of Israel.
The ethical cleansing is to be proven only legally as we know for a fact that there is a genocide, we know there is an ethnical cleansing and we know there are crimes against humanity and crimes wars. Teeling to "wait beofre judging" is like telling to a little boy to wait for justice before judging when he saw his father beat his mother to death in front of his eyes.
- Israel's actions are a fact and it remains a country.
- Hamas's actions are also a fact and it remains a movement of resistance.
Those are the geopolitical factual datas.
Please, let's stop trying to undermine an urgency and let's try to find solutions to stop this horror.
The ethical cleansing is to be proven only legally as we know for a fact that there is a genocide, we know there is an ethnical cleansing and we know there are crimes against humanity and crimes wars. Teeling to "wait beofre judging" is like telling to a little boy to wait for justice before judging when he saw his father beat his mother to death in front of his eyes.
- Israel's actions are a fact and it remains a country.
- Hamas's actions are also a fact and it remains a movement of resistance.
Those are the geopolitical factual datas.
Please, let's stop trying to undermine an urgency and let's try to find solutions to stop this horror.
Maybe evolution happened, maybe not, I don't think it did, and that isn't what I meant to say, sorry, or I may be misinterpreting what you are saying
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I really want to help people but I feel as if I can't become a person who can do that a lot because of my trauma, I have helped some people but that's with the little I had, I wish I could help a lot more
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The nazis were the ones doing the imperialism and colonising, which is what the state of Israel is doing
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I really want to help people but I feel as if I can't become a person who can do that a lot because of my trauma, I have helped some people but that's with the little I had, I wish I could help a lot more
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The nazis were the ones doing the imperialism and colonising, which is what the state of Israel is doing
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Bro, drop that rhetoric. There was no Palestine ever. Emperor Hadrian renamed the Roman province of Judaea to Syria Palaestina in the early 2nd century AD. The region was always occupied by foreigners ever since the Romans. The British allowed the Jews to escape to Palestine during WW2. The rights to that land is a big can of worms. Some of it was bought, other was legally occupied and there was also expulsion of Arabs(aka illegal occupation). The Arabs rejected the two state solution multiple times. Israel imperialism/colonialism is left wing propaganda. If they truly wanted what you guys claim, a good chunck of the Middle East would be under their occupation as of 2024, cause Arab armies proved themselves inept at defeating the IDF.
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Indeed, but any movement that calls for the destruction of a nation or ethnicity can never be called anything other than a terrorist organization. Which is exactly what Hamas is.
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Virtue signalling the post. What the fuck can we do about it? All of you can only bitch about it. At least wait for the actual facts to be investigated before spewing non-sense.
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Geopolitics 101
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Virtue signalling the post. What the fuck can we do about it? All of you can only bitch about it. At least wait for the actual facts to be investigated before spewing non-sense.
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It's not about the ideology of a group. A resistance movement is a resistance in the geopolitical sence. This data is fundamental to allow any resistance movement to be formed against oppressions anywhere else.
I have a question for you. Would you call the french resistance against Nazi germany, a terrorist organization ?
If you want to do something about it. There is a very simple thing you can do, which is something that I've done before a lot for Palestinians.
Donate to MSF/DWB: https://donate.doctorswithoutborders.org/secure/lebanon-rr-donate-web
It's one of the most truthfull organization of humanitarians in the matter and one that will not only act for Palestine but also for Sudan, Lebanon, Congo etc.
I have a question for you. Would you call the french resistance against Nazi germany, a terrorist organization ?
If you want to do something about it. There is a very simple thing you can do, which is something that I've done before a lot for Palestinians.
Donate to MSF/DWB: https://donate.doctorswithoutborders.org/secure/lebanon-rr-donate-web
It's one of the most truthfull organization of humanitarians in the matter and one that will not only act for Palestine but also for Sudan, Lebanon, Congo etc.