Yeah feels like he's using us both as a scapegoat to justify his morals, which seems to be that all of Palestine are terrorists. No matter who direct we both are that the civilians of Palestine are facing genocide, he strawmans our position as being "Hamas terrorist attacks and killing innocent people are justified."
Did you just straight ignore the post where i proved Hamas was a terrorist organization since the beginning?
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I'm done wasting my time trying to make people understand complex things and getting flamed for it.

I'm not a teacher. If you don't understand something, ask chatgpt.
Calling for the destruction of a Nation and it's people(aka genocide) isn't a legitimate resistance.
 
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Did you just straight ignore the post where i proved Hamas was a terrorist organization since the beginning?
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Calling for the destruction of a genocide and it's people(aka genocide) isn't a legitimate resistance.
I did because it's completely irrelevant to the topic at hand, which is someone claiming that others are trying to sympathize with terrorists, and justify terrorists actions.

Turned into terrorists, started as terrorist.....are you able to explain how saying either or means someone supports Hamas?
 
I did because it's completely irrelevant to the topic at hand, which is someone claiming that others are trying to sympathize with terrorists, and justify terrorists actions.

Turned into terrorists, started as terrorist.....are you able to explain how saying either or means someone supports Hamas?
First, i never claimed you supported Hamas, but calling them a resistance group legitimazes their actions. Which is both factually and morally wrong. Hamas was always a fundamentalist movement that aimed at the destruction of Israel.
If Hamas's creation is the result of Israeli actions, that is up for the debate. The nature of Hamas is not up for debate. It's a Jihad movement, and they themselves claim to be so.
 

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First, i never claimed you supported Hamas, but calling them a resistance group legitimazes their actions. Which is both factually and morally wrong. Hamas was always a fundamentalist movement that aimed at the destruction of Israel.
If Hamas's creation is the result of Israeli actions, that is up for the debate. The nature of Hamas is not up for debate. It's a Jihad movement, and they themselves claim to be so.
I never said you did. I'm talking about soybeans.

And no...saying they were a resistance group that turned into full blown terrorists killing innocent people does not justify their actions. Saying a school shooter did it because of bullying does not justify mass shootings for example.

This same logic can be thrown back at you to claim you support ethnic cleansing or something, as Israel is now somehow justified in doing so because of Oct 7th and what not(not claiming you are, just pointing out faulty logic).
 
I never said you did. I'm talking about soybeans.

And no...saying they were a resistance group that turned into full blown terrorists killing innocent people does not justify their actions. Saying a school shooter did it because of bullying does not justify mass shootings for example.

This same logic can be thrown back at you to claim you support ethnic cleansing or something, as Israel is now somehow justified in doing so because of Oct 7th and what not(not claiming you are, just pointing of faulty logic).
Bro, i have been here since october 7. I know most of you guys takes on this. I know you are not a Hamas supporter, but they way you worded "resistance group" makes it confusing for people that are unaware of your takes.
And as Nat pointed out, in WW2, the allies killed thousand of civilians by bombing the Nazis. Such tragedies are sometimes inevitable in war. The whole "Israel is doing a genocide/ethic cleansing" thing will only be proved after all of this is over. There is no reliable source on this as of right now. We should wait things to unfold before judging.
 

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Bro, i have been here since october 7. I know most of you guys takes on this. I know you are not a Hamas supporter, but they way you worded "resistance group" makes it confusing for people that are unaware of your takes.
And as Nat pointed out, in WW2, the allies killed thousand of peoples by bombing the Nazis. Such tragedies are sometimes inevitable in war. The whole "Israel is doing a genocide/ethic cleansing" thing will only be proved after all of this is over. There is no reliable source on this as of right now. We should wait things to unfold before judging.
There's no excuse. I'll elaborated on exactly what I meant to avoid any confusion, even though it never implied any support or justification of terrorists in the first place.
 
We should not wait. Because some people are dying and others - like some of you guyz here - are trying to invisibilize those death by legitimizing or defending the actions of Israel.

The ethical cleansing is to be proven only legally as we know for a fact that there is a genocide, we know there is an ethnical cleansing and we know there are crimes against humanity and crimes wars. Teeling to "wait beofre judging" is like telling to a little boy to wait for justice before judging when he saw his father beat his mother to death in front of his eyes.

- Israel's actions are a fact and it remains a country.
- Hamas's actions are also a fact and it remains a movement of resistance.

Those are the geopolitical factual datas.
Please, let's stop trying to undermine an urgency and let's try to find solutions to stop this horror.
 
so at the end of the day if evolution is true god made everything in evoluton anyway?

sure, if that helps you.
Maybe evolution happened, maybe not, I don't think it did, and that isn't what I meant to say, sorry, or I may be misinterpreting what you are saying
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We should not wait. Because some people are dying and others - like some of you guyz here - are trying to invisibilize those death by legitimizing or defending the actions of Israel.

The ethical cleansing is to be proven only legally as we know for a fact that there is a genocide, we know there is an ethnical cleansing and we know there are crimes against humanity and crimes wars. Teeling to "wait beofre judging" is like telling to a little boy to wait for justice before judging when he saw his father beat his mother to death in front of his eyes.

- Israel's actions are a fact and it remains a country.
- Hamas's actions are also a fact and it remains a movement of resistance.

Those are the geopolitical factual datas.
Please, let's stop trying to undermine an urgency and let's try to find solutions to stop this horror.
I really want to help people but I feel as if I can't become a person who can do that a lot because of my trauma, I have helped some people but that's with the little I had, I wish I could help a lot more
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Bro, i have been here since october 7. I know most of you guys takes on this. I know you are not a Hamas supporter, but they way you worded "resistance group" makes it confusing for people that are unaware of your takes.
And as Nat pointed out, in WW2, the allies killed thousand of civilians by bombing the Nazis. Such tragedies are sometimes inevitable in war. The whole "Israel is doing a genocide/ethic cleansing" thing will only be proved after all of this is over. There is no reliable source on this as of right now. We should wait things to unfold before judging.
The nazis were the ones doing the imperialism and colonising, which is what the state of Israel is doing
 
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I really want to help people but I feel as if I can't become a person who can do that a lot because of my trauma, I have helped some people but that's with the little I had, I wish I could help a lot more
Do what you can with your capacities. Do not put yourself in danger to save others.

Staying informed and aware of the issue is already a lot.
 
Maybe evolution happened, maybe not, I don't think it did, and that isn't what I meant to say, sorry, or I may be misinterpreting what you are saying
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I really want to help people but I feel as if I can't become a person who can do that a lot because of my trauma, I have helped some people but that's with the little I had, I wish I could help a lot more
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The nazis were the ones doing the imperialism and colonising, which is what the state of Israel is doing
Bro, drop that rhetoric. There was no Palestine ever. Emperor Hadrian renamed the Roman province of Judaea to Syria Palaestina in the early 2nd century AD. The region was always occupied by foreigners ever since the Romans. The British allowed the Jews to escape to Palestine during WW2. The rights to that land is a big can of worms. Some of it was bought, other was legally occupied and there was also expulsion of Arabs(aka illegal occupation). The Arabs rejected the two state solution multiple times. Israel imperialism/colonialism is left wing propaganda. If they truly wanted what you guys claim, a good chunck of the Middle East would be under their occupation as of 2024, cause Arab armies proved themselves inept at defeating the IDF.
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Indeed, but any movement that calls for the destruction of a nation or ethnicity can never be called anything other than a terrorist organization. Which is exactly what Hamas is.
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We should not wait. Because some people are dying and others - like some of you guyz here - are trying to invisibilize those death by legitimizing or defending the actions of Israel.

The ethical cleansing is to be proven only legally as we know for a fact that there is a genocide, we know there is an ethnical cleansing and we know there are crimes against humanity and crimes wars. Teeling to "wait beofre judging" is like telling to a little boy to wait for justice before judging when he saw his father beat his mother to death in front of his eyes.

- Israel's actions are a fact and it remains a country.
- Hamas's actions are also a fact and it remains a movement of resistance.

Those are the geopolitical factual datas.
Please, let's stop trying to undermine an urgency and let's try to find solutions to stop this horror.
Virtue signalling the post. What the fuck can we do about it? All of you can only bitch about it. At least wait for the actual facts to be investigated before spewing non-sense.
 
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Bro, drop that rhetoric. There was no Palestine ever. Emperor Hadrian renamed the Roman province of Judaea to Syria Palaestina in the early 2nd century AD. The region was always occupied by foreigners ever since the Romans. The British allowed the Jews to escape to Palestine during WW2. The rights to that land is a big can of worms. Some of it was bought, other was legally occupied and there was also expulsion of Arabs(aka illegal occupation). The Arabs rejected the two state solution multiple times. Israel imperialism/colonialism is left wing propaganda. If they truly wanted what you guys claim, a good chunck of the Middle East would be under their occupation as of 2024, cause Arab armies proved themselves inept at defeating the IDF.
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Indeed, but any movement that calls for the destruction of a nation or ethnicity can never be called anything other than a terrorist organization. Which is exactly what Hamas is.
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Virtue signalling the post. What the fuck can we do about it? All of you can only bitch about it. At least wait for the actual facts to be investigated before spewing non-sense.
You can pray and donate to help them
 
You can pray and donate to help them
I'm afraid none of those is going to make much difference, besides if i'm to donate my money, i'm going to favor Brazilian issues before anyone else. There are way more deaths happening down here and the international communitty doesn't say a thing. I'm not that invested into IDF vs Hamas.
 
Indeed, but any movement that calls for the destruction of a nation or ethnicity can never be called anything other than a terrorist organization. Which is exactly what Hamas is.
It's not about the ideology of a group. A resistance movement is a resistance in the geopolitical sence. This data is fundamental to allow any resistance movement to be formed against oppressions anywhere else.

I have a question for you. Would you call the french resistance against Nazi germany, a terrorist organization ?


Virtue signalling the post. What the fuck can we do about it? All of you can only bitch about it. At least wait for the actual facts to be investigated before spewing non-sense.
If you want to do something about it. There is a very simple thing you can do, which is something that I've done before a lot for Palestinians.

Donate to MSF/DWB: https://donate.doctorswithoutborders.org/secure/lebanon-rr-donate-web

It's one of the most truthfull organization of humanitarians in the matter and one that will not only act for Palestine but also for Sudan, Lebanon, Congo etc.
 
I'm afraid none of those is going to make much difference, besides if i'm to donate my money, i'm going to favor Brazilian issues before anyone else. There are way more deaths happening down here and the international communitty doesn't say a thing. I'm not that invested into IDF vs Hamas.
Hey helping anybody is helping somebody, we can not do everything, why not, if you don't and you have the money to, donate to some kids or people struggling in Brazil, or centers or churches or encourage others
 
It's not about the ideology of a group. A resistance movement is a resistance in the geopolitical sence. This data is fundamental to allow any resistance movement to be formed against oppressions anywhere else.

I have a question for you. Would you call the french resistance against Nazi germany, a terrorist organization ?



If you want to do something about it. There is a very simple thing you can do, which is something that I've done before a lot for Palestinians.

Donate to MSF/DWB: https://donate.doctorswithoutborders.org/secure/lebanon-rr-donate-web

It's one of the most truthfull organization of humanitarians in the matter and one that will not only act for Palestine but also for Sudan, Lebanon, Congo etc.
Apples to Orange comparison. You guys love to paint Israel as maniacs, no wonder people think some of you defend Hamas/Hesbollah. I'm not donating anything to Palestine, sorry. LOL
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Hey helping anybody is helping somebody, we can not do everything, why not, if you don't and you have the money to, donate to some kids or people struggling in Brazil, or centers or churches or encourage others
I already do what i can. Would you mind stopping patronizing me?
 
Like imagine being in that position of need and someone comes and helps you, that is a hero

And I think someone mentioned before how different characters in one piece are reflections of Joyboy if he had acted a certain different way, well that's how it is in reality with us and Jesus, like the moon reflects the sun's light onto the earth, people who follow Jesus, whether they do that directly or not, reflect God's light in the world,

Very fitting analogy too since Jesus said He is the bright and morning star in Revelation 22:16, and the moon's physical state is empty and in darkness, like our current bodies are
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Apples to Orange comparison. You guys love to paint Israel as maniacs, no wonder people think some of you defend Hamas/Hesbollah. I'm not donating anything to Palestine, sorry. LOL
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I already do what i can. Would you mind stopping patronizing me?
I'm sorry, I apologise, please forgive me, I didn't mean to that, and I'm not sure what patronising mean
 
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