Controversial General Political Discussion

[Roo]

Christianity teaches to bear one's cross and hold yourself accountable of your actions. We are literally taught to meditate on our sins, confess them and move away from them. How the fuck is this a victim mentality?
plz, read this:
https://stmargaretmary.org/ignatian-examen-of-consciousness/

Can you read english? I said "similar" and I pointed out that christianity resonates with the victims of oppression

The main reason why Christianity even got popular was because it those of lower status were attracted to the teachings and stories of jesus.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

btw I have no reason to stop anyone from talking about my country

I know, I was just wondering if you had any additional insight into the issue

Do you know people who’ve gotten married as kids? Or is it something only folk in rural isolated towns engage in?

 

[Gyro]

Not a religious person but is there actually something in their holy books that conditions them to see themselves as victims?

The only Abrahamic religion that is even similar to that is probably Christianity, as Jesus' story and early Christianity resonates with victims of oppression. Both Judaism and Islam from what I understand have very popular conquest stories.

An example
Surah Al-Baqarah (2:217)

 

[Reborn]

Last time :

I was replying to this (which isthe FIRST sentence of the post and an affirmation of general truth and not an experience).

"muslims' inability to accept blasphemy or criticism of Islam has nothing to do with them being targeted. Instead, it stems from deep seated indoctrination"

Systemic Islamophobia in the west is a scientific fact. END of discussion. I'm gonna ignore you on this subject from this point on.

I haven't even said a word on this subject so idk why you wanna ignore me on this one lmao


You should take this discussion to Gyro though or is it that in New Year you gave up on changing the people and this forum?

 

[Zenos7]

Patriarchy is the PRIME reason why homosexuals are targetted.

Patriarchy and islam are not mutually exclusive. Islam is a patriarchal system

 

[NAMELESS]

Can you read english? I said "similar" and I pointed out that christianity resonates with the victims of oppression

The main reason why Christianity even got popular was because it those of lower status were attracted to the teachings and stories of jesus.

Yeah, it does cause we are promised the kingdom of heaven. Meaning, it doesn't matter if your current life is shit, you have all of eternity ahead of you in heaven. You and Gyro were talking about victim mentality. How do they correlate? Explain.

 

[Roo]

Yeah, it does cause we are promised the kingdom of heaven. Meaning, it doesn't matter if your current life is shit, you have all of eternity ahead of you in heaven. You and Gyro were talking about victim mentality. How do they correlate? Explain.

Victim mentality as in "my life sucks and everybody is against me"

Those were the prime christian candidates in the Roman empire lol

 

[AL sama]

Not at all, im saying the teachings are supposed to still be applicable, therefore the "different era" point being of no consequence to this topic.

yes but some teachings needs to be modernized but many people aren't willing to admit that

even many scholars these days think some need to change

 

[Roo]

Patriarchy and islam are not mutually exclusive. Islam is a patriarchal system

Why is logiko even bending over backwards to defend current day islam lmaoooo

A lot of religions have outdated views on society, but they can change over time. Christianity has reformed multiple times over the thousands of years it's been on earth.

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An example
Surah Al-Baqarah (2:217)

They1 ask you ˹O Prophet˺ about fighting in the sacred months.2 Say, “Fighting during these months is a great sin. But hindering ˹others˺ from the Path of Allah, rejecting Him, and expelling the worshippers from the Sacred Mosque is ˹a˺ greater ˹sin˺ in the sight of Allah. For persecution3 is far worse than killing. And they will not stop fighting you until they turn you away from your faith—if they can. And whoever among you renounces their own faith and dies a disbeliever, their deeds will become void in this life and in the Hereafter. It is they who will be the residents of the Fire. They will be there forever.”4

It sounds like the typical "never renounce your faith" speech all monotheist religions have no?

 

[Logiko]

I haven't even said a word on this subject so idk why you wanna ignore me on this one lmao


You should take this discussion to Gyro though or is it that in New Year you gave up on changing the people and this forum?

This was the old me. I'm done doing fighting unwinnable fights.

Patriarchy and islam are not mutually exclusive. Islam is a patriarchal system

Yes. That was my point.

Islam is oppressive because of patriarchy not because it's Islam.

Why is logiko even bending over backwards to defend current day islam lmaoooo

A lot of religions have outdated views on society, but they can change over time. Christianity has reformed multiple times over the thousands of years it's been on earth.

Because my understanding of the oppressions of the world is a little more complex than "religion = bad)

I tried explaining that here, without success.

 

[AL sama]

I know, I was just wondering if you had any additional insight into the issue

Do you know people who’ve gotten married as kids? Or is it something only folk in rural isolated towns engage in?

these days it mostly happens in rural areas and among lower class people

so yeah education is a big factor here

 

[Roo]

This was the old me. I'm done doing fighting unwinnable fights.


Yes. That was my point.

Islam is oppressive because of patriarchy not because it's Islam.



Because my understanding of the oppressions of the world is a little more complex than "religion = bad)

I tried explaining that here, without success.

I think we can safely say a religion that pushes for bad things is bad.

Even muslims denounce the extremist sects.

 

[Gyro]

It sounds like the typical "never renounce your faith" speech all monotheist religions have no?

(They will not cease to fight you until they turn you back from your religion if they are able )

Muslims will always face hostility from non-believers and reinforces the idea that others are actively working to undermine Islam.

 

[NAMELESS]

I guess i missed the post with the video

Here you go:

That crazy dude that gunned down a bunch of kids. Yeah, cut from the same cloth.
Shit like this makes my blood boil:
https://x.com/CrazyVibes_1/status/1877706670043799652

Shit gets even worse. Just let these motherfuckers speak their minds out. There is no better propaganda against them than their own words. They clearly don't belong in the West.
https://x.com/realMaalouf/status/1877444041140302246

 

[Logiko]

I think we can safely say a religion that pushes for bad things is bad.

Even muslims denounce the extremist sects.

Materialist understand that that bad behaviors and bad systems in religions are only the products of one of the oppressive systems in the world.

In religion, the main one is patriarchy.

 

[Zenos7]

Yes. The same who are oppressed by Systemic Islamophobia. So, instead of focusing on their arguments, try to look at what they are not telling you.

Ye right because every muslim in the world is oppressed, even if they live in muslim majority countries where non-muslim minorities are under oppression. Miss me with this shit

Even if this point was legit, its still not an excuse to exploit this term to brand people as racists for disliking your religion.

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Your answer to his experience is "No"

Lmao

So only your experience counts?

Only your perspectives matters? Lol

Nothing new with logiko

 

[NAMELESS]

Victim mentality as in "my life sucks and everybody is against me"

Those were the prime christian candidates in the Roman empire lol

Bro, wrong, that is not what Jesus was teaching at all. Jesus made it clear we are here to be punished. Life is tribulation. Jesus didn't promise good life to anyone on this earth. Your comparison is just wrong. The promise of salvation is for the next life. We are here to suffer.

 

[Uncle Van]

Here you go:

Really hammering home the races. Gotta make sure people know that...

 

[Zenos7]

for being born gay.

Chances are they dont think this is the case but homosexuality always comes from external factors

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Actually, it's not my experience. My experience is the same as you guyz > I come from an Islamophobic background.

Bitch i dont come from such a background. Dont speak for me

 

[NAMELESS]

Why is logiko even bending over backwards to defend current day islam lmaoooo

A lot of religions have outdated views on society, but they can change over time. Christianity has reformed multiple times over the thousands of years it's been on earth.

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It sounds like the typical "never renounce your faith" speech all monotheist religions have no?

He does that cause he think they are a persecuted minority.

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Really hammering home the races. Gotta make sure people know that...

Races?