Controversial General Political Discussion

Logiko

Logiko

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Zenos7 said:
Oh so you are a psychic that knows the past of every user engaging in this thread?

Interesting
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The past of users ? No. Only the political leaning.

It's not hard to do. And that's what most people here do not get. It's like a triangulation.

In politics, there are what you may call points of conflicts. Those are the precise political point that will usually be the indicators for the distinction of two political side on a similar political spectrum.

To understand your political leaning, all I need to do is target those specific points. Of course there will be exceptions and sometimes aberration in the systems but by multiplying the points of attack, we usually arrive at a clear distinction of the political side of a person.

Basic example:

To distinguish people who understand the problem with colonialism and people who don't, ask them about the Israel Palestine conflict. If their answer is to minimize the oppression of Palestinian or the genocide happening, you can be sure that they do not understand the problem with the notion of imperialism, colonialism and have big biases for the crypto fascism of the far right gov of Israel. So you can by defaut place all those people on the right side of the political spectrum as the left is - by principle - against that process.

You repeat that with plenty of subject to get a more precise vision (trans people, capitalism, abortion, meritocracy) and you will manage to AT LEAST see who is close to you in term of political leaning and who is your major political ennemy.

It's just a question of logic.
 
Uncle Van

Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
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Toby D. Dog said:
It goes without saying how disingenuous MAGA was with the nazi salute, but I'd rather post this so it becomes hilariously retarded to claim these politicians did the same things.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1882176442689331410
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Lol goddamn. A perfect neo-nazi salute. That's an insane coincidence if it was unintentional. The smart thing would've been for him to apologize to emulating it, but instead called everyone stupid for saying it looked like a salute.


Zenos7 said:
so how do you know that they didnt get to their current political opinions and values through deep self questioning?

you dont
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It's very important to to understand why someone thinks the way they do. One of the reasons Trump got so massive was because he listened to people and gave them very simple answers to their problems while validating their feelings. Also a reason shits like Andrew Tate could gain a massive following.
 
Toby D. Dog

Toby D. Dog

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Uncle Van said:
Lol goddamn. A perfect neo-nazi salute. That's an insane coincidence if it was unintentional. The smart thing would've been for him to apologize to emulating it, but instead called everyone stupid for saying it looked like a salute.
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We're only 2 days in and we already have a myriad of executive orders that set back years and years of hard fought progress. It's infuriating seeing foreigners in this thread celebrate that knowing that families will be separated, dreamers are again threatened, while the billionaire class gets richer by the day.

It's a dark time for America.
 
Logiko

Logiko

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Zenos7 said:
so how do you know that they didnt get to their current political opinions and values through deep self questioning?

you dont
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Indeed ?

I never questionned that. I expressed the fact that almost no one here took a deep dive look at themselves DURING the debates on this forum. I'm the only one who actively expressed the fact - multiple time - of being fundamentally wrong in my political approach an some of my political beliefs. And yet, I'm targetted as the one who never questions their belief and think everyone is stupid.

I'm pointing out the contradiction.

From the moment I arrived here, you guyz have been confusing the form (my confrontationnal approach), with the legitimacy of my political knowledge.

My approach being very direct act as a offensive weapon for me, but also as a shield for you to justify your lack of questionning. On top of that, there is a bias here toward leftist ideas that can't be broken.

And you can test that very easily. Blax has been sharing a LOADS of very relevant knowledge about anarchism here and he has been ignored 95% of the time even tho we have a lot's of common point. This shows that in reality, it's not me, but the knowledge the problem. You guy will not reply to blax simply because you would need to find a new way to discredit his political approach and it will be very hard. So you prefer to attack my confrontational attitude instead. It's much easier. It does need you to think.

But this is ending now. I will let the field to those who want to talk about leftism in peace. And we will see if you guyz will be able to listen or not.

I hope to be proven wrong.
 
Uncle Van

Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
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Toby D. Dog said:
We're only 2 days in and we already have a myriad of executive orders that set back years and years of hard fought progress. It's infuriating seeing foreigners in this thread celebrate that knowing that families will be separated, dreamers are again threatened, while the billionaire class gets richer by the day.

It's a dark time for America.
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America is dominated by right wing media and the 2 biggest social platforms(Twitter and Facebook) are also right leaning. Reddit may follow suit as well if the CEO wants to follow the money.

America has been a corporate oligarchy for like 60 years and yeah.. its gonna get much worse.
 
Mathias

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Logiko said:
Various authors, writers, intellectuals and politicians helped, theorized and nourrished the revolutionnary debate at the time.

The french revolution was a period of extrem social awareness and political debate. It's was everywhere. A bit like Twitter but in the entire streets of Paris. Intellectuals helped in pushing fundamental ideas through letters, books, essays and journals.

Today, our range of action is excessively more important:
- We have scientists who can publish and render accessible fundamental studies
- We have medias who can distribute knowledge very quickly to millions
- We have influencers who can vulgarize and spread fundamental knowledge in an instant
- We have a ranger of amazing tools to organize without even needed to be in the streets
- We have strong associations and a connected world that can spread a big info instantly.

Revolution will not be only in the streets. It will be on all fronts.
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The revolution from 1789 to 1799 ? You talking about the Lumières ? And those educated who were in favour of the republic ? I guess so.
 
Ravagerblade

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Uncle Van said:
Lol goddamn. A perfect neo-nazi salute. That's an insane coincidence if it was unintentional. The smart thing would've been for him to apologize to emulating it, but instead called everyone stupid for saying it looked like a salute.




It's very important to to understand why someone thinks the way they do. One of the reasons Trump got so massive was because he listened to people and gave them very simple answers to their problems while validating their feelings. Also a reason shits like Andrew Tate could gain a massive following.
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And yet you still buy into it... pff
 
Reborn

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
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Uncle Van said:
Just like the knowledge of Carrot joining the SHs. Oh wait.
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His problem is that he thinks reading research papers lend him credibility and thus whatever he says is truth and fact and is backed by science making him more arrogant than he was.

What he doesn't realize is research papers often don't represent complete pictures. They are often funded by institutions to further their cause and thus these papers suffer from academic dishonesty and selection bias. They often distort data and citations as well..

Nor these papers have any universal applications as even though political and sociology are referred as sciences but they are also humanities subjects.


However, because he thinks he's reading so called scientific papers he believes whatever comes from his mouth is the objective truth and he alone knows what's the context.

But he's far from what actual science is
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Emotional appeal - blah blah blah

Families would be separated - don't go illegally to any country. Simple

And, if you are there illegally then be ready for the consequences.
 
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Daniel

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https://x.com/realchrisrufo/status/1882136803467231257
They're going to try to memory-hole this, but we can't forget that the Left put America through a reign of terror after 2020. This is some of what they did to me and my family, in an attempt to shut me up:

When I was in Seattle, they put up posters around my neighborhood with insane lies about me and my home address, instructing activists to show up at my door. Later, they sent letters to a few hundred of my neighbors, claiming I was a Nazi white supremacist. Death threats, references to my family, the whole deal. A few times, we had to take the kids and leave town.

One of these activists found one of my children at the park with the babysitter and yelled at him until he started crying. My son came home terrified, so I figured out who this person was—a software developer in the neighborhood—got his number, called him, delivered some "persuasive" words, and forced him to apologize to my son over the phone. I made sure he was much more frightened than my son.

The same group organized employees within Microsoft to bomb my wife's boss with emails claiming she was a white supremacist. Thankfully, he thought it was strange for her to be an Asian white supremacist and knew it was all a fabrication. I tracked down the ringleader and, "coincidentally," he was fired a few months later. He overestimated his position and underestimated mine.

Then there were the calls and texts to our private numbers. Threats to rape my wife and murder my children. At one point, I was working with the FBI about it, but the perpetrators had used number-cloaking apps and there was nothing law enforcement could do. I thought we had a lead in St. Louis and hired a private investigator to look into it, but the trail went cold. We fortified our home and studied the law. I was prepared to kill anyone who crossed the threshold.

The institutions got in on it, too. Organized campaigns to ruin my reputation, manipulate my Wikipedia page, cancel my speaking engagements, and list me on the websites of the SPLC and ADL, in an attempt to get me banned from social media. The censorship apparatus put a target on my back and the federal government egged them on. Fortunately, they all failed.

For years, I refused to publicly acknowledge much of what happened to my family—I didn't want to give my enemies the satisfaction—but now is the time to get it out and address it. My experience is hardly unique; many other conservatives have faced similar circumstances. It's about CRT, DEI, and all of the other intellectual issues, but even more, it's about having a society free of threats, violence, intimidation, and madness.
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Tactics done to regular people that are universally despised if came to light such as these could be a reason for a significant chunk of the US population turning away from the democrats and their influence while siding with Trump and the conservatives, but I'll let the rest here decide that.
 
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Logiko

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Reborn said:
What he doesn't realize is research papers often don't represent complete pictures. They are often funded by institutions to further their cause and thus these papers suffer from academic dishonesty and selection bias. They often distort data and citations as well..
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This comment would be relevant if it wasn't funny because of the context of what I've been saying and actually arguing in this thread:

Being the actual biases in scientific researches and the importance of placing ethics in both the vulgarization and the development of the scientific practice. ( literally defended the ideas that the practice of science was in itself fundamentally NOT objective FOR WEEKS in front of people here sometimes insulting my intelligence and thinking that we should not place politics in science "to keep it's results objectives and unbaised" which literally contradicts social studies on the importance of questionning our relationship to the scientific practice to make better and more inclusive researchs.

But go ahead.. tell me that I don't understand what I'm talking about

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What you do not understand ( because let's be honest, you never cared to take a look at leftism activism), is that me doing the researches here, is only the TIP of the iceberg of my politicization.

In reality, the majority of my knowledge of social science comes from scientists themselves EXPLAINING their scientific studies and people with a lot more scientific and political knowledge than me peeling off the core principles of those studies in order to vulgarize them.

What the majority of you don't get (and yet it is something that I kept on repeating again and again). Is that I'm not the one with the real knowledge. I'm only the one repeating it.

This knowledge has been studied, then explained by scientists, then vulgarized by researchers and people with scientific background, then analyzed by political influencers and/or writers, THEN this knowledge was shared to people like me and I'm only repeating something that everybody in my political field already know, has observed and take for granted.

Do you feel like social studies started in 2010 or what ?

You are talking about me being completely lost on social studies but I know that if I start to talk about notions like capitals, anti-meritocracy or post-colonialism you guys will laugh and start to speak Klingon.

You really have a blind spot. But this is common with people coming from natural sciences thinking that they understand perfectly the political spectrum
 
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