Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1139 Spoilers Discussion

[Moegara]

Zoro and Lucci were both struggling with the seraphim even though they had back up in Kaku and Luffy respectively. Sanji was no diffing the same seraphims with his arms folded - like nothing - by himself. I guess feats do matter hey, but only when they match my agenda.

Zoro and Lucci were struggling just as much as Luffy.

Zoro and Lucci were struggling just as much as Zoro was struggling holding two of them back alone will defending two hostages.

We got, what, two panels of Sanji showing off his exoskeleton and just starting the fight? In which he wasn't even alone.

Yeah, I can see you caring about feats for your agenda.

 

[Infitima]

I bet Sanji's VA is holding Oda at gun point

I think Fan Letter did it.

SBS has had Oda say if a character gets too much hate and called weak, he'll do something to prove that wrong and make the character strong.

Toei put Sanji in Fan Letter in a powerscaling debate just to be laughed at when Sanji was never in the original novel for that one to begin with.

Oda probably didn't like that.

 

[Light D Fist.]

Zoro and Lucci were struggling just as much as Luffy.

Zoro and Lucci were struggling just as much as Zoro was struggling holding two of them back alone will defending two hostages.

We got, what, two panels of Sanji showing off his exoskeleton and just starting the fight? In which he wasn't even alone.

Yeah, I can see you caring about feats for your agenda.

Oh you mean the fodders Sanji had to worry about. Well okay what about the statement today verbatim.

 

[Hiragaro]

Gaban looks sick in this panel, menacing af!
But the anime fucked up it like always...he looks like Kyoshiro here...

 

[Albino 👑]

The same people bitching about the giants saying Gaban is equal to Roger and Rayleigh are the same people that’d be losing their minds if they only said Rayleigh was equal to Roger

I don’t even actually believe Roger Rayleigh and Gaban are equals tbh. It’s just funny that people are that tilted Gaban is relevant just because indirect sanji hype through being the 3rd strongest lol

 

[Reborn]

He’s completely wrong because he is cherry picking arguments. We have Oda stating that Gaban who is Sanji’s counterpart is relative to Roger who is Luffy’s counterpart. Now you may say Joyboy this and Ryuma that, but for ages these same cunts were the ones who said Luffy and Zoro are set apart just like Roger and Rayleigh. Now when Gaban’s introduced the fuckers ask for feats and verbatim statements. Well Oda just gave you one today fucktard!

Actually his argument isn't wrong.


First, as of now Gaban = Roger = Ray is based on little summary of leakers and not actual manga panel


Second, even if this turns out to be true then it applies more on EoS Luffy, Zoro and Sanji than what we have now. At present, Sanji isn't anywhere near them - feat wise and portrayal wise

 

[Moegara]

He’s completely wrong because he is cherry picking arguments. We have Oda stating that Gaban who is Sanji’s counterpart is relative to Roger who is Luffy’s counterpart. Now you may say Joyboy this and Ryuma that, but for ages these same cunts were the ones who said Luffy and Zoro are set apart just like Roger and Rayleigh. Now when Gaban’s introduced the fuckers ask for feats and verbatim statements. Well Oda just gave you one today fucktard!

A statement is not a feat, which is why I made a distinction in the comment you're quoting.

There clearly has always been a clear-cut difference between captains and "first mates" (or "number 2s", if you will) in most groups throughout the whole series, so people weren't wrong in making a distinction between Rayleigh, who has been relevant for over a decade, and Gaban, who was as much of a background character as Bogard for the same decade.

Now, as I said, I'm not against Sanji being strong or whatever, I even said he might already be on that level. You just didn't like what I said about feats, and I didn't tell any lie.

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Prime Sanji vs 100 King, what diff does Sanji win?
@Sir Yasheen @Elder Lee Hung @MarineHQ @kekaro @EmperorKinyagi @Soyz

 

[Hamlette]

The same people bitching about the giants saying Gaban is equal to Roger and Rayleigh are the same people that’d be losing their minds if they only said Rayleigh was equal to Roger

I don’t even actually believe Roger Rayleigh and Gaban are equals tbh. It’s just funny that people are that tilted Gaban is relevant just because indirect sanji hype through being the 3rd strongest lol

You'll have to excuse them, they've been pushing this agenda for at least a decade, for it to come crashing down this hard is going to break some bones. I mean are we really going to pretend that these same people would be questioning the validity of this statement if it was said about a character that supports their agenda?. I believe Oda injects some hyperbole in his character intros, but never to the level of lies or misinformation. Whatever is being claimed about Gaban in this chapter is closer to being true than false and that is enough to destroy all the agendas that these people have been pushing.

 

[Moegara]

The same people bitching about the giants saying Gaban is equal to Roger and Rayleigh are the same people that’d be losing their minds if they only said Rayleigh was equal to Roger

I don’t even actually believe Roger Rayleigh and Gaban are equals tbh. It’s just funny that people are that tilted Gaban is relevant just because indirect sanji hype through being the 3rd strongest lol

Of course you don't believe it. Since Rayleigh is Sanji's parallel and Gaban is Jinbe's, isn't that right?

 

[Light D Fist.]

Actually his argument isn't wrong.


First, as of now Gaban = Roger = Ray is based on little summary of leakers and not actual manga panel


Second, even if this turns out to be true then it applies more on EoS Luffy, Zoro and Sanji than what we have now. At present, Sanji isn't anywhere near them - feat wise and portrayal wise

If you bothered to read my explanations you would see that I have never said that Luffy in G5 with ACoC would not take out Sanji in anything but a low diff. But guess what so would Zoro. Zoro hasn’t shown anything that puts him in any company with regards to Luffy. But hey guess what Luffy has already maxed out everything he needs barring some Nika powers/ realisation. Zoro still hasn’t mastered KoH, whilst Sanji’s mastered his Exo to the point where he can turn it on and off at will.
Sanji still has room to grow and like I said when it was first revealed about Gaban, Sanji would also be a top tier above any of the admirals but none of the Yonko/ Fleet admiral.
You are defending a guy who disregards the statement of Gaban being relative to Roger outright, no EOS no Curent. He disregards it outright. So no he is not right!

 

[Blazing Lion]

Never have I ever seen this much Roger slander. First it was in Oden FB when Roger begged WB for Oden, but that slander was not about his power level. But this Gaban = Roger thing has opened the flood gates. What kind of a powerup will Sanji get if he is to be equal to Luffy cause currently his strongest attack just got an ouch from Luffy in Egghead. Sanji will get some massive AP grades in the future.

Until the fool summary comes out, it is all Sanji hype and Roger downplay agenda. But if the chapter reveals that the term was not about power level then boy oh boy, Sanji will get a lot of slander.

 

[kekaro]

Prime Sanji vs 100 King, what diff does Sanji win?
@Sir Yasheen @Elder Lee Hung @MarineHQ @kekaro @EmperorKinyagi @Soyz

to quote the great scholars:
How do the kings damage sanji?

 

[grey matter]

The statement is moreso to the fact they're relative and can push each other to high or even extreme diff and aren't some scrubs. What this does is it essentially debunks the fact that an RHM can low diff the LHM and even though the RHM is obviously stronger, they're going to be close in strength at the end which destroys the narrative a certain fanbase was trying to push

Yeah, I've said this for a long time.

Given that Rayleigh was implied to be relative in power to Roger, Scopper would be relative in power to Rayleigh. I've used this reasoning to argue that even tho gap between Luffy/Zoro and Zoro/Sanji may be relatively high at the moment, eventually it would become narrower as it was in the past.
Else, it defeats the purpose/dynamics of monster trio.

In their primes:
Gold Roger - peak top tier
Silvers Rayleigh - high top tier
Scopper Gaban - mid top tier

Roger extreme diff Rayleigh, Rayleigh extreme diff Gaban, Roger high diff Gaban. It's like 100, 95, 90

 

[Light D Fist.]

A statement is not a feat, which is why I made a distinction in the comment you're quoting.

There clearly has always been a clear-cut difference between captains and "first mates" (or "number 2s", if you will) in most groups throughout the whole series, so people weren't wrong in making a distinction between Rayleigh, who has been relevant for over a decade, and Gaban, who was as much of a background character as Bogard for the same decade.

Now, as I said, I'm not against Sanji being strong or whatever, I even said he might already be on that level. You just didn't like what I said about feats, and I didn't tell any lie.

Except he introduced the heirachy over a decade ago. It has just been revealed but it was always there in their naming schedules. Also the same fuckwrs you defend said he would be irrelevant even after we told them it wouldn’t be. So either they are purposefully or coincidentally ignorant, doesn’t change the fact that they are dumb cunts!!

 

[Jailer]

Rox had a crew full with top tier potentials but the PK crew to have only Roger, Ray and Oden was always a stupid thought

Roger pirates were stacked

 

[[No Name]]

Ray actualy got direct comparaison with whitebeard another Legend other than Roger statement from another Legend in Garp.


Slow down and wait for gaban to get the fats or you will have to prepare for alot of backlash from both Roger and Rayleigh wankers if you keep pushing this without THE FEATS.

BRO i remember one of you making fun of scopper presentation that he got compared to giants by colon , that Ray got absurd presentation etc. And Oda delivers this lmao.
Your fandom is so pathetic ngl.

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

It doesn't really matter if the hype is to be taken literally, ultimately it still shows where Gaban stood in the OP universe. The place of a proper top tier.
It totally matters because a portion of the fandom was adamant that Gaban was an irrelevant fodder, now we know that his legend in the verse is comparable to that of Roger and Rayleigh.
If Roger was a 100 I wouldn't say Gaban was a 100 but him being a 90 seems completely fair.

 

[Moegara]

Except he introduced the heirachy over a decade ago. It has just been revealed but it was always there in their naming schedules. Also the same fuckwrs you defend said he would be irrelevant even after we told them it wouldn’t be. So either they are purposefully or coincidentally ignorant, doesn’t change the fact that they are dumb cunts!!

Who disputed the hierarchy?

To be fair discussing this kind of controversial topic is difficult because I do not share every opinion of the people I agree with on the current feats. I have never even seen a discussion about Gaban being relevant or not until two weeks ago and at that time it was just people who wanted to see Shiki.

 

[kekaro]

It doesn't really matter if the hype is to be taken literally, ultimately it still shows where Gaban stood in the OP universe. The place of a proper top tier.
It totally matters because a portion of the fandom was adamant that Gaban was an irrelevant fodder, now we know that his legend in the verse is comparable to that of Roger and Rayleigh.
If Roger was a 100 I wouldn't say Gaban was a 100 but him being a 90 seems completely fair.

Equal statments only count when its about my favorite chracter