Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1139 Spoilers Discussion

[Moegara]

I don't think that Oda takes the accurate strength of real life giraffe, but the portray of it in stories where the wolf in myths, books etc. Is strong, just like the "lion", also a werewolf like can be stronger than a human giraffe even if you have the giraffe as stronger in pure animal form.

Eh, perhaps. I added another line in an Edit, but you're not wrong in the typical fantasy portrayal of both animals.

 

[[No Name]]

Eh, perhaps. I added another line in an Edit, but you're not wrong in the typical fantasy portrayal of both animals.

Based pfp of the invincible goat btw.

 

[Light D Fist.]

It doesn't. A marine with a rifle was used to be compared to Spandam, but Fukurou was specific about what douriki included and didn't, and it only includes base stats.

Except, he never stated that doriki doesn’t include weapons or only includes physical strength. Where did he say that?

 

[Reborn]

Now Luffy looking kinda too weak for Akainu ngl

How lol

 

[Hamlette]

100%
Imo Gaban is as equal to Roger and Rayleigh as Sanji is to Luffy and Zoro. As in their just the top guys of the crew

Could I be wrong about Roger? Honestly maybe
They could deadass be more similar to a fleet admiral + admiral type relationship than an emperor + commanders. For now I’ll believe in Roger

Either way it’s cool that Gaban is strong and relevant

I look at it more as they are his partners than his lackies. Because clearly the relationship here is not like the one we see with Kaido and his calamities. So while Roger is indeed stronger, his top guys are his close partners that aren't left in the dust by him unlike the calamities are by Kaido. But does it literally mean that Gaban and Ray are dead equal to Roger in any way, definitely not.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

As of now it is

People are probably just overestimating current Luffy. Dude has severe stamina issues and his G4 has been damn near useless since Wano ended.

Wouldn’t be shocked if he Zoro and Sanji are still closer than most people give them credit for

 

[Moegara]

Except, he never stated that doriki doesn’t include weapons or only includes physical strength. Where did he say that?

Doriki is measured by hitting Fukuro.

How does Kaku kicking Fukurou teach him about Kaku's swordsmanship techniques?

Or, better yet, how does a normal marine punching Fukurou teach him about his strength when he goes to pick up a rifle?

 

[Albino 👑]

it's over bro, Luffy isn't and will never be able to stomp his crew together. This isn't a Big Mom/Kaido with their crew type dynamic

It’s over, Luffys never separating himself from Zoro and Sanji, they’ll all end up on the same tier

It’s delusional to legitimately think Luffy and Sanji are any type way on the same level

People who thought that Oda would have ruined the M3 dynamic for jinbe are dumb.
He also puts jinbe behind them, not shoulder to shoulder in the scene of Aramaki and that's portray, it's clear that by putting jinbe behind them he still empathizes them being the M3. Jinbe has been a weird in-between M3 and Mid trio.

Imo I don’t think it’s wrong to compare to either Yamato king and queen or king queen and jack. At least at the moment

While on dry land he’s definitely the jack give him enough water and he should be able to compete with Sanji at the very worst

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Unlike Zoro and Sanji who always end their fights looking clearly superior, Luffy rarely defeat his major opponents due to being simply stronger than them. It's usually his will or external factors that make him able to pull the W.

Yeah Luffys strength is always that he brings in allies to help him one way or another.

 

[Etzel Andergast]

Kaido, King and Queen are also equal?

 

[Rukusho]

Except, he never stated that doriki doesn’t include weapons or only includes physical strength. Where did he say that?

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Kaido, King and Queen are also equal?

Luffy loses to Kaido bad 1v1
Zoro and Sanji destroy King and Queen 1v1

That’s the difference.

 

[Moegara]

Yeah Luffys strength is always that he brings in allies to help him one way or another.

That's what Mihawk said of him.

And given how much help he's been getting all timeskip, even from his own enemies at times, he wasn't wrong.

 

[Reborn]

People are probably just overestimating current Luffy. Dude has severe stamina issues and his G4 has been damn near useless since Wano ended.

Wouldn’t be shocked if he Zoro and Sanji are still closer than most people give them credit for

His stamina in Nika form is definitely an issue but not his strength.


I say he's situational top tier due to his inability to be in G5 for long but that doesn't diminish the fact that his feats in G5 ecplise anything we have seen from other SHs more so with Sanji.

 

[Rukusho]

It’s best to wait for full summary before jumping the gun, its massive hype for Sanji sure. But im curious how he’s going to close that gap between Luffy & Zoro.

 

[Etzel Andergast]

Luffy loses to Kaido bad 1v1
Zoro and Sanji destroy King and Queen 1v1

That’s the difference.

Sanji fainted after fight Queen
And Zoro ""died"" after King

The tree got severe injuries. Like Luffy, Zoro needed 1 week to recover

 

[Light D Fist.]

Alright I’ll concede !

 

[Soyz]

Zoro can mid-diff King and shitstomp Queen, yes. Sanji mid-diffs Queen but gets ragdolled by King just like rooftop Zoro was. Worst part is Sanji gets ragdolled regardless of King's flame being on or off as King's flame off feats still surpass Sanji's. Flame on = absolutely no chance.

Sanji cannot give Luffy a tough fight if Luffy is remotely serious. Sure, if Luffy fights in base without ACoC then Sanji could push him to mid/high-diff (Luffy still wins handily w ACoA and FS), but if Luffy uses ACoC it becomes a straight-up shitstomp. Sanji gets bodybagged by even base ACoC Luffy.

It's a similar level of bodybagging if Luffy uses G5 without ACoC of course, and we don't even need to talk about G5 with ACoC. We don't even need to talk about G2/3/4 with ACoC - Luffy's CQC feats vs Kaido genuinely show that he can handily defeat Sanji in base. He totally outclasses him in CQC.

"Not even Roger could mid-diff Gaban" genuinely where are you guys pulling this from? Where on earth is this Gaban hype coming from lmfao like at least wait for some feats from the guy. We haven't even seen CoC from Gaban let alone ACoC, and if he doesn't have ACoC then Roger is definitely shitstomping him too.

Besides all the false things you wrote here, zoro gets ragdolled hard by luffy as well, he aint impressive like ur deluded mind think he is

 

[Light D Fist.]

It’s best to wait for full summary before jumping the gun, its massive hype for Sanji sure. But im curious how he’s going to close that gap between Luffy & Zoro.

You can include Luffy but don’t include Zoro in that statement. He is no where near Luffy!

 

[Moegara]

Sanji fainted after fight Queen
And Zoro ""died"" after King

The tree got severe injuries. Like Luffy, Zoro needed 1 week to recover

Sanji had been injured pre-power up, although I also think the regeneration does tire him out.

Zoro had taken a time-limit drug that, even without his injuries from fighting King, would have made him pass out (and in theory die). His wounds from the fight were nowhere near serious enough to make him faint. He accumulated way more damage from Kaido and Big Mom and it was worsened by the drug.