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yeah definetly, I still don't like Ifrit Jambe that much as a name. Now I'm quite used to it but it does not have the epic sound that comes from "Diable Jambe".

As a new Jambe as a power up I personally hope Oda does not go with a third iteration of it. We already have Ifrit Jambe, a third one would be too much for me. I prefer CoC as power up and maybe something new. Oda should have the creativity to do that.

Ifrit Jambe is fine to me, it's just not as cool as the other two.

Another coloured flame isn't that exciting on paper, but I also think that's got to do with the fact it's more difficult to appreciate that in a black and white manga.

imo black flames make the most sense to me as a product of CoC infusion.

I also like the idea of Sanji being able to cast over his entire body in flames (of any colour) to make himself a literal weapon.

It would also be cool if he could cast those flames off him as weapon using agility to slow instantly.

 

[Hedfi]

I'm pretty sure Diable Jambe literally translates as "Demon God" lol. @PuckTheGreat can check on this.

So Sanji's PU is regressing in terms of demon mythology hierarchy Lmao. From Demon God to High Demon to Regular Demon.

Diable Jambe is french and translates into Devil Leg in English. I don't know the japanese original script for DJ, however I doubt it'd be any different, so I don't know from where you brought Demon God from lol

Like I said before, Diable means Devil, a general designation for demon kind.

Then we have Ifrit, which is a high class Jinn or demon in Islam, so that's an upgrade in station from a simple Diable/Devil.

The only way it can progress from Ifrit is to become Devil Royalty and that's Satan himself who goes by many names, Iblis in Islam and Lucifer/Azazel in judio-christianity.

 

[Jackteo]

Fire-based powers are so lame, Sanji desperately needs ACoC and some kind of trasformation/broken power up

He didn't get the mera mera no mi so anything DJ-related will never be enough to win me over. He didn't get to train with a haki master (Garp the most obvious choice) so the hakiman route is barred. The RS has a lot of potential but he would rely too much on someone else, being him Franky, Vegapunk or Judge. The phoenix suit idea would have been incredibly ingenious, a pity CL²³Oda doesn't read this thread/forum

Sora's drug is all that is left. Sanji's able to produce flames at will so he should possess some lunarian lineage factor and his emotions really seem to be able to boost his strength (buccaneers?). Nothing that would make him unique and overwhelmingly strong. I'd take lunarian powers over the umpteenth DJ variant though. Let's see what happens next, I'm not very hopeful

 

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Fire-based powers are so lame

Fraud alert.

 

[Welkin]

Fire-based powers are so lame, Sanji desperately needs ACoC and some kind of trasformation/broken power up

He didn't get the mera mera no mi so anything DJ-related will never be enough to win me over. He didn't get to train with a haki master (Garp the most obvious choice) so the hakiman route is barred. The RS has a lot of potential but he would rely too much on someone else, being him Franky, Vegapunk or Judge. The phoenix suit idea would have been incredibly ingenious, a pity CL²³Oda doesn't read this thread/forum

Sora's drug is all that is left. Sanji's able to produce flames at will so he should possess some lunarian lineage factor and his emotions really seem to be able to boost his strength (buccaneers?). Nothing that would make him unique and overwhelmingly strong. I'd take lunarian powers over the umpteenth DJ variant though. Let's see what happens next, I'm not very hopeful

I’m surprised you consider yourself a Sanji fan when that’s all he’s had for 1100 chapters

 

[Hedfi]

Fire-based powers are so lame, Sanji desperately needs ACoC and some kind of trasformation/broken power up

He didn't get the mera mera no mi so anything DJ-related will never be enough to win me over. He didn't get to train with a haki master (Garp the most obvious choice) so the hakiman route is barred. The RS has a lot of potential but he would rely too much on someone else, being him Franky, Vegapunk or Judge. The phoenix suit idea would have been incredibly ingenious, a pity CL²³Oda doesn't read this thread/forum

Sora's drug is all that is left. Sanji's able to produce flames at will so he should possess some lunarian lineage factor and his emotions really seem to be able to boost his strength (buccaneers?). Nothing that would make him unique and overwhelmingly strong. I'd take lunarian powers over the umpteenth DJ variant though. Let's see what happens next, I'm not very hopeful

Black Flames will have the Power of Love which is the Power of destruction, a rare advanced application of CoC imo. Sanji's kick will literally be able destroy anything.

 

[Jackteo]

I’m surprised you consider yourself a Sanji fan when that’s all he’s had for 1100 chapters

Sanji's fighting style before the TS was great with the exception of DJ, a martial artist and a speedster. Skywalk and the exoskeleton are also great ideas, so much mobility and defence added. It only lacks power, ranged attack (I'm begging CL²³oda to let Sanji use Rankyaku) and something that makes him unique.

Now everything is about haki and CoC is growing more and more important. CoO is Sanji's specialty and most of the times it is barely a factor. CoCless Sanji cannot compete with any top tier physical fighters.

DJ variants are inferior to the mera mera no mi by definition and even if they weren't, Sanji with the mera mera would have fared better. Sora's drug is way too mysterious to speculate on

Sanji as a fighter, and as a character, has a lot of potential, much more than any other character in the series. Sometimes I feel like CL²³Oda is building his masterpiece with Sanji, but he is purposefully deciding not to deliver until the time comes. But it never comes

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Black Flames will have the Power of Love which is the Power of destruction, a rare advanced application of CoC imo. Sanji's kick will literally be able destroy anything.

Some unique haki applications would be great. Black flames that destroy anything would be flames in name only but I like the idea. I didn't want to sound too pessimistic

And now back to praising Sanji, Elbaf will be his arc. Rankyaku Sanji will free Loki

 

[Shiroyru]

Anyone watching Invincible S3? Oliver and Cecil are so based. They make Mark look like a scrub and a retard

 

[Welkin]

Sanji's fighting style before the TS was great with the exception of DJ, a martial artist and a speedster. Skywalk and the exoskeleton are also great ideas, so much mobility and defence added. It only lacks power, ranged attack (I'm begging CL²³oda to let Sanji use Rankyaku) and something that makes him unique.

Now everything is about haki and CoC is growing more and more important. CoO is Sanji's specialty and most of the times it is barely a factor. CoCless Sanji cannot compete with any top tier physical fighters.

DJ variants are inferior to the mera mera no mi by definition and even if they weren't, Sanji with the mera mera would have fared better. Sora's drug is way too mysterious to speculate on

Sanji as a fighter, and as a character, has a lot of potential, much more than any other character in the series. Sometimes I feel like CL²³Oda is building his masterpiece with Sanji, but he is purposefully deciding not to deliver until the time comes. But it never comes

This isn’t a slight against you at all but I find it kinda funny when Sanji fans complain as a big Sanji fan who’s also big on other characters

Sanji gets so much preferential treatment it’s nuts. His progression as a character, his ties to Germa/science, etc are constantly harped upon in the story. Just look at how Oda’s handled that compared to Zoro’s nonexistent backstory/lineage (which is easily among the most awful things he’s done in the entire story, it literally makes no sense)

I understand the idea of wanting more (Luffy fans say the same which always baffles me) but Sanji’s clearly already viewed as one of Oda’s favorites

Didn’t he have an SBS/Interview drop like a year ago where he heavily implied that there’s even more to Sanji’s story that he hasn’t revealed yet? He’s probably the last character I’m worried about in terms of potential or progression

I do think him not learning Rokushiki over the timeskip was a massive mistake though. He’s literally the special agent/007 of the Strawhats and we’ve seen that skilled fighters can mimic it anyway

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Anyone watching Invincible S3? Oliver and Cecil are so based. They make Mark look like a scrub and a retard

Oliver is decent but I rock with Cecil

Never thought I’d be so into his character. “By any means necessary” characters are fascinating to me

@Shiroyru

 

[PuckTheGreat]

I'm pretty sure Diable Jambe literally translates as "Demon God" lol. @PuckTheGreat can check on this.

So Sanji's PU is regressing in terms of demon mythology hierarchy Lmao. From Demon God to High Demon to Regular Demon.

Diable Jambe: 悪魔風脚 (Akuma)
Ifrit Jambe: 魔神風脚 (Majin)
魔神 (Ifrit/Majin) > 悪魔 (Diable/Akuma)

 

[RayanOO]

Diable Jambe: 悪魔風脚 (Akuma)
Ifrit Jambe: 魔神風脚 (Majin)
魔神 (Ifrit/Majin) > 悪魔 (Diable/Akuma)

Frankly I hope the next PU is something else than an other flame or fire PU

 

[PuckTheGreat]

Frankly I hope the next PU is something else than an other flame or fire PU

Actually got a theory coming out on this soon :p
Will share it when I'm done, just been a tad lazy lol

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

Awakening CoC doesn't matter for Sanji, it's not as important.

Spoiler: Extra

It's a gimmick to knock out fodders/adv CoC - something Luffy will randomly spam to ko fodders like Batman. Since IJ has no scaling pattern to limit it, Sanji kicks can always upscale however it needs to, for him to keep up with M3.

My question to the fandom is...
when (or if) Sanji faces off against the Admiral Greenbull ( i personally prefer Kizaru amongst Admirals and Aokiji in BBPs) but since it's v likelyhood, will Sanji also break the perma Black sword of Greenbull?
Is that even possible? Can Sanji make the impossible possible?

Let me know your thoughts
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My question to the fandom is...
when (or if) Sanji faces off against the Admiral Greenbull ( i personally prefer Kizaru amongst Admirals and Aokiji in BBPs) but since it's v likelyhood, will Sanji also break the perma Black sword of Greenbull?
Is that even possible? Can Sanji make the impossible possible?

Sanji can beat Admirals.

His easiest match ups are Greenbull, Aokiji and Akainu.

His fire abilities and Flight make him a hard counter, and in terms of speed there’s nothing to talk about.

Kizaru is neutral. Fujitora remains to be seen, we know Sanji can withstand insane pressure, but we’ve also not seen how far Fujitora can take it.

As for breaking black blades, it would be a hell of a feat, but I don’t envision that happening mostly because Sanji doesn’t target weapons so much as body parts.

 

[Hiragaro]

First Panel, it would have been cool if Sanji had a ranged attack like that - not necessary a cutting attack, but something like a blast/air canon type thing. But Oda is just lame unfortunately...

I'd like to see what a CoC infused kick looks like.

I am honestly not gonna expect too much, it's probably gonna be as underwhelming as with Ifrit -> Different Color -> does the same thing as a normal DJ just stronger.

 

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First Panel, it would have been cool if Sanji had a ranged attack like that - not necessary a cutting attack, but something like a blast/air canon type thing. But Oda is just lame unfortunately...

Shigan not being on the table makes sense, and that's how it ought to stay, but considering Sanji stole Geppo, now essentially has permanent Tekkai, and saw Rankyaku first hand - you'd think he'd develop something similar.

A ranged attack is missing. He has the speed to compensate for that with 99% of potential opponents, but it is still a gap in his arsenal.

I am honestly not gonna expect too much, it's probably gonna be as underwhelming as with Ifrit -> Different Color -> does the same thing as a normal DJ just stronger.

Ifrit allowed Sanji to effectively low diff Queen the first time he used it. It's become underwhelming since but I don't understand why you're framing Sanji's next powerup as invariably disappointing when Ifrit is the only one that has become disappointing.

Sanji's other new abilities and power ups - Diable Jambe, Blue Walk, Sky Walk, exoskeleton, super speed - have all been great.

Give Oda more credit. He's clearly been laying the groundwork for Sanji's final power up for a loooooong time considering we still don't understand what gives Sanji his fire abilities to begin with, and now he's added even more crazy shit with Sanji no selling S-Shark and kicking Kizaru's laser. Add CoC infused martial arts and it gets even wilder.

The pessimism is unwarranted.

 

[Hiragaro]

Ifrit allowed Sanji to effectively low diff Queen the first time he used it. It's become underwhelming since but I don't understand why you're framing Sanji's next powerup as invariably disappointing when Ifrit is the only one that become disappointing.

It's not about the performance of Ifrit, but the lack of difference between Ifrit and Diable - it's the same thing, just a different color and all it does is the exact same thing as DJ, but better. Design-wise it also looked very underwhelming - even though fixed in Elbaf.

I expect the same thing with Black Flames (or whatever), basicaly just a stronger kick with a different color, nothing really new.

Sanji's other new abilities and power ups - Diable Jambe, Blue Walk, Sky Walk, exoskeleton, super speed - have all been great.

Skywalk and stuff is cool, but not his main powerup, it's stil DJ. And i hate the Germa stuff, but i am not gonna go there.
There are so many things Oda could have done with Sanji, but didn't and simply went the easy road.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

It's not about the performance of Ifrit, but the lack of difference between Ifrit and Diable - it's the same thing, just a different color and all it does is the exact same thing as DJ, but better. Design-wise it also looked very underwhelming - even though fixed in Elbaf.

I expect the same thing with Black Flames (or whatever), basicaly just a stronger kick with a different color, nothing really new.



Skywalk and stuff is cool, but not his main powerup, it's stil DJ. And i hate the Germa stuff, but i am not gonna go there.
There are so many things Oda could have done with Sanji, but didn't and simply went the easy road.

It's kind of tame but I genuinely wish Sanji had ACoA

 

[Hiragaro]

It's kind of tame but I genuinely wish Sanji had ACoA

Haki stuff in general should be basics at this point...

 

[Sir Yasheen]

It's kind of tame but I genuinely wish Sanji had ACoA

ACoA is pointless since Sanjis flames already do the internal damage that people train ACoA to get.