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For the last time :
I'm not a savior and you guyz are NOT DUMB.
It's not about the knowledge and it's not about intelligence.
You simply do not look at reality with an efficient LENS (=tool) and it just happen that I do.
That's all.
I never said that I was an intellectual. In fact I remember saying a lot of time that I was dumb on a lot of things.
FOr exemple, I'm BAAAAAAD at everything related to langage. I simply can't understand grammar. Even in French. I know that. But on other fields, I have the good tools.
This is the case for the global comprehension of reality. MAterialism is not some deep knowledge stuff. It's just the RIGHT LENS to look at reality.
It's just a tool. A proper and effective form of logic.
Again, you are not dumb. In fact I have said multiple time that I always refused to call you that in a serious manner.
It's not about intelligence or knowledge. (at least with materialism). It's about the lens.
Take the right lens, and you will see your entire reality slightly shifting until you find your old vision outdated. It's as simple as that.
You do not understand. There is no oversimplification here. Don't make the asssumption that materialism only explains physical things.
Materialism means understanding systems.
For example. To understand Capitalism, a materialist will try to understand all the paramater of capitalism.
From that point, a materialist can understand the origin and tipping point of capitalism, which is the colonization of the New World. A materialist will also try to understand the social parameters behind said colonization and different systems of dominations, he will study the domination relationships between different actors, he will study how ideologies and visions shapes the world view of the actors, how the capitals influence everything.
A materialist will - for example - understand that capitalism and neocolonializm doesn't work the same way in South american and in north Africa.
You have been taught a very reduced and caricatural vision of materialism. It's much deeper and complex and human than you think.
Materialism, for example, put a lot of weight on empathy and how empathy can be different in function of the endogroups. This is why being a materialist means understanding why sayin "you must be more empathic" to a far rightist, is useless. Because far rightist ARE empathic, just not with people outside of their endogroups.
There is a very simple exemple of that : Strikes.
The reason why strikes exist is because someone once thought in a materialistic way and understood that the only way to balance the domination relationship between a dominant force (the boss) and the dominated force (the worker) was to understand WHERE was the REAL power behind the relationship.
The real power comes from the worker and not the boss. Hence, by striking, the worker tip the balance in their favor and impose their conditions to the boss.
This is what materialistic thinking means. It's understanding how social and physical systems work in order to understand the dynamic of power.
It just happen that capitalism is such a dominating force that it prevent the worker to impose their strenght on the Boss and give them reason not to strike in order to survive. It's like a gun pointing at their heads if they rebel.
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And this can be applied to this system as well - even if there is no relationship of exploitation. We are in a relationship of domination between a systems (the staff) and us (the users).
So as a materialist, I know that if ALONE I try to tip the balance, the only thing that I will get is either the system laughing at me or the other user turning against me.
Hence, the only way this could really change is:
- Either someone on top chooses to listen but it's not in their interest
- EIther everyone chooses to stay outside the forum unless the system changes (it's against the interests of users)
- Either there is a big force applied to push people to change inside the system.
I tried the only method I could (the third) but alone, I'm not enough. So I quit. Even if I can't shake the hope of the system becoming better.
If you look around, you will see thousands of proof that materialistic thinking is the way to go. But society is structured in way to prevent you from thinking like that.
I'm not a savior and you guyz are NOT DUMB.
It's not about the knowledge and it's not about intelligence.
You simply do not look at reality with an efficient LENS (=tool) and it just happen that I do.
That's all.
I never said that I was an intellectual. In fact I remember saying a lot of time that I was dumb on a lot of things.
FOr exemple, I'm BAAAAAAD at everything related to langage. I simply can't understand grammar. Even in French. I know that. But on other fields, I have the good tools.
This is the case for the global comprehension of reality. MAterialism is not some deep knowledge stuff. It's just the RIGHT LENS to look at reality.
It's just a tool. A proper and effective form of logic.
Again, you are not dumb. In fact I have said multiple time that I always refused to call you that in a serious manner.
It's not about intelligence or knowledge. (at least with materialism). It's about the lens.
Take the right lens, and you will see your entire reality slightly shifting until you find your old vision outdated. It's as simple as that.
You do not understand. There is no oversimplification here. Don't make the asssumption that materialism only explains physical things.
Materialism means understanding systems.
For example. To understand Capitalism, a materialist will try to understand all the paramater of capitalism.
From that point, a materialist can understand the origin and tipping point of capitalism, which is the colonization of the New World. A materialist will also try to understand the social parameters behind said colonization and different systems of dominations, he will study the domination relationships between different actors, he will study how ideologies and visions shapes the world view of the actors, how the capitals influence everything.
A materialist will - for example - understand that capitalism and neocolonializm doesn't work the same way in South american and in north Africa.
You have been taught a very reduced and caricatural vision of materialism. It's much deeper and complex and human than you think.
Materialism, for example, put a lot of weight on empathy and how empathy can be different in function of the endogroups. This is why being a materialist means understanding why sayin "you must be more empathic" to a far rightist, is useless. Because far rightist ARE empathic, just not with people outside of their endogroups.
There is a very simple exemple of that : Strikes.
The reason why strikes exist is because someone once thought in a materialistic way and understood that the only way to balance the domination relationship between a dominant force (the boss) and the dominated force (the worker) was to understand WHERE was the REAL power behind the relationship.
The real power comes from the worker and not the boss. Hence, by striking, the worker tip the balance in their favor and impose their conditions to the boss.
This is what materialistic thinking means. It's understanding how social and physical systems work in order to understand the dynamic of power.
It just happen that capitalism is such a dominating force that it prevent the worker to impose their strenght on the Boss and give them reason not to strike in order to survive. It's like a gun pointing at their heads if they rebel.
----
And this can be applied to this system as well - even if there is no relationship of exploitation. We are in a relationship of domination between a systems (the staff) and us (the users).
So as a materialist, I know that if ALONE I try to tip the balance, the only thing that I will get is either the system laughing at me or the other user turning against me.
Hence, the only way this could really change is:
- Either someone on top chooses to listen but it's not in their interest
- EIther everyone chooses to stay outside the forum unless the system changes (it's against the interests of users)
- Either there is a big force applied to push people to change inside the system.
I tried the only method I could (the third) but alone, I'm not enough. So I quit. Even if I can't shake the hope of the system becoming better.
If you look around, you will see thousands of proof that materialistic thinking is the way to go. But society is structured in way to prevent you from thinking like that.
This - I hope - should help you think in a materialistic way so understand that it's not just a leftist thing to do, but a logical thing to do (I asked ChatGPt to help me find something quick and simple):
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Your son’s teacher calls you in for a meeting. She smiles politely and says, “He’s a good student, but he doesn’t participate much in class. When he does, his questions tend to go off track, so I try to keep him focused on the material. Lately, he’s been quieter.” and yet, you know your son, is smart and often relevant.
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Tell me. Why do you think your imaginary son has been quieter lately ?
(others can answer too)
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Your son’s teacher calls you in for a meeting. She smiles politely and says, “He’s a good student, but he doesn’t participate much in class. When he does, his questions tend to go off track, so I try to keep him focused on the material. Lately, he’s been quieter.” and yet, you know your son, is smart and often relevant.
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Tell me. Why do you think your imaginary son has been quieter lately ?
(others can answer too)
You see, idealists usually think that far rightists are reactionnaries because we - radical leftists - are extremely progressive in the sense that, when we see someone being racist we say "hey, stop being racist". Or, we consider that to change people, we must first change the environment that influence people.
These two extrems and authoritarist progressive behaviors seems to be the reasons - for idealists - why reactionnaries exist, why people are saying racist or transphobic things and why people are voting for Donald Trump.
You see, with this lens, it's the radical leftists like me who create people like you.
Reactionnaries are not far right because they are filled with fear, science denialism and idealism, but because WE - radical leftists - are being mean when we point out those people's oppressive behaviors.
With this lens, people who think leftists are a cancer or should be killed are the unfortunate products of our bad behavior.
These two extrems and authoritarist progressive behaviors seems to be the reasons - for idealists - why reactionnaries exist, why people are saying racist or transphobic things and why people are voting for Donald Trump.
You see, with this lens, it's the radical leftists like me who create people like you.
Reactionnaries are not far right because they are filled with fear, science denialism and idealism, but because WE - radical leftists - are being mean when we point out those people's oppressive behaviors.
With this lens, people who think leftists are a cancer or should be killed are the unfortunate products of our bad behavior.
You are unaware of who they are
Also, stupid people may have interests they are not capable of pursuing properly, because they are stupid.
Anything that involves the EU dealing with CCP country is dripping with utter stupidity. The only European politicians that seem to understand CCP are afd and their counterparts who sold their a$$es to them, acting in their own best interest🤑.
Also, stupid people may have interests they are not capable of pursuing properly, because they are stupid.
Anything that involves the EU dealing with CCP country is dripping with utter stupidity. The only European politicians that seem to understand CCP are afd and their counterparts who sold their a$$es to them, acting in their own best interest🤑.
