Powers & Abilities Could it be that Zoro actually did go all out in dressrosa? Zoro doesn't know how to use asura
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it seems u r going in circle and moving goalpsot. my advice will be go back to the initial reply i did.
we were talking about WB/Jozu Dura and enndurance. WB's prime version and his WSM status has no effect in that convo.
not to mention WSM has nothing to do with Durability. its not Worlds most durable Man title.
the only WB that we saw take damage was MF Beard. ofc we will talk about him. its common sense Prime Beard's Dura> MF Beard's Dura.
but what u need to bring proof is that Prime Beard's Dura> Diamond Jozu. thats a big jump from getting skewered by fodders to face tanking Mihawk's slash. u need to bring something substantiate for such a bold claim
here are u suggesting that WB was planning to face tank that slash?
u know he has a DF right? he can easily clash with that slash by his df. he doesnt have to be so dumb to tank that when he can easy use df to stop it. not to mention WB isnt like Kaido. He doesnt tank everything ppl throw at him. if possible he Counterattacks with his own power. WB doesnt give free hits to other ppl.
But if u mean WB would have face tanked that attack instead of quacking it then i have no interest in this convo anymore. Sorry.
we were talking about WB/Jozu Dura and enndurance. WB's prime version and his WSM status has no effect in that convo.
not to mention WSM has nothing to do with Durability. its not Worlds most durable Man title.
the only WB that we saw take damage was MF Beard. ofc we will talk about him. its common sense Prime Beard's Dura> MF Beard's Dura.
but what u need to bring proof is that Prime Beard's Dura> Diamond Jozu. thats a big jump from getting skewered by fodders to face tanking Mihawk's slash. u need to bring something substantiate for such a bold claim
here are u suggesting that WB was planning to face tank that slash?
u know he has a DF right? he can easily clash with that slash by his df. he doesnt have to be so dumb to tank that when he can easy use df to stop it. not to mention WB isnt like Kaido. He doesnt tank everything ppl throw at him. if possible he Counterattacks with his own power. WB doesnt give free hits to other ppl.
But if u mean WB would have face tanked that attack instead of quacking it then i have no interest in this convo anymore. Sorry.
Fine. I'll tell you what I believe. Wb no matter what, has better Dura/Endurance than Jozu. I don't give a flying fuck if he has the Diamond DF. Jozu has yet to display anything of substance. I cannot take him having Diamond as the strongest thing around, when we have Seastone around. What else do you want from me?
I don't think there are? Just inconsistencies.
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I don't think there are? Just inconsistencies.
serious question: are u drunk? wtf are u even talking about
well it doesnt matter to me what u want to believe Truth of the matter is WB has better Endurance while Jozu has better dura.
also why does it feel like u r taking one specific stat and judging overall power based on that?
it seems like somehow u ended up concluding that: Jozu having Diamond DF means he is the strongest thing around.
what kind of logic is that? it makes negative sense.
Diamond or not in actual fight WB will destroy Jozu. single stat doesnt determine overall strength
well it doesnt matter to me what u want to believe Truth of the matter is WB has better Endurance while Jozu has better dura.
also why does it feel like u r taking one specific stat and judging overall power based on that?
it seems like somehow u ended up concluding that: Jozu having Diamond DF means he is the strongest thing around.
what kind of logic is that? it makes negative sense.
Diamond or not in actual fight WB will destroy Jozu. single stat doesnt determine overall strength
serious question: are u drunk? wtf are u even talking about
well it doesnt matter to me what u want to believe
Truth of the matter is WB has better Endurance while Jozu has better dura.
also why does it feel like u r taking one specific stat and judging overall power based on that?
it seems like somehow u ended up concluding that: Jozu having Diamond DF means he is the strongest thing around.
what kind of logic is that? it makes negative sense.
Diamond or not in actual fight WB will destroy Jozu. single stat doesnt determine overall strength
well it doesnt matter to me what u want to believe
Truth of the matter is WB has better Endurance while Jozu has better dura.
also why does it feel like u r taking one specific stat and judging overall power based on that?
it seems like somehow u ended up concluding that: Jozu having Diamond DF means he is the strongest thing around.
what kind of logic is that? it makes negative sense.
Diamond or not in actual fight WB will destroy Jozu. single stat doesnt determine overall strength
who said Jozu is above WB? 
how do jump from Jozu being more durable to Jozu is above WB?
are u ok in the head? seriously man. i have never had such an weird convo with someone. WSM never meant WB is above everyone in all category. it means he is overall the strongest. everything about him doesnt have to be the best.
also if stat means nothing to u then why would u even talk about stat with @ImmaIvanoM ? after so many post now u r saying stat doesnt matter to u. we wouldnt have this convo if u already mention it in ur initial reply.
also a friendly advice: before going into power level or any type of discussion at least know the terms that are used in those discussion and most importantly know what those means.
how do jump from Jozu being more durable to Jozu is above WB?are u ok in the head? seriously man. i have never had such an weird convo with someone. WSM never meant WB is above everyone in all category. it means he is overall the strongest. everything about him doesnt have to be the best.
also if stat means nothing to u then why would u even talk about stat with @ImmaIvanoM ? after so many post now u r saying stat doesnt matter to u. we wouldnt have this convo if u already mention it in ur initial reply.
also a friendly advice: before going into power level or any type of discussion at least know the terms that are used in those discussion and most importantly know what those means.
But can you measure the actual margin of difference in strength? G4 Luffy rocks Doffy whether Law helped or not.
And its arguable that Luffy can also only beat Zoro with G4.
See that?
And I dont believe Pica even requires G4. Luffy can match Pica's mobility with his rubber powers which is Pica's big advantage over Zoro and gear third can already destroy the stone thoroughly.
In the end, Doffy whether with Laws interference or not is still outmatched by Gear fourth. Luffy can't beat Zoro without G4. Luffy can beat Pica without G4.
The power differences here are still staggering. The power difference between someone who can be beaten by G3 and someone who can ONLY be beaten by G4 is still enough to create a mid diff.
Luffy mid diffs Pica at best, and probably low diffs him since Pica doesn't have the mobility advantage. Zoro mid diffed Pica.
I won't say any of this is concrete of course since power scaling is tiresome but you keep asking for a NARATIVE REASON.
The NARATTIVE REASON is that Zoro is too close to Luffy in strength and that's intentionally supposes to be different from every other crew. So the people Zoro fights end up having stuff like ONE STAT stat very much above Zoro in order for the fight to be interesting without wholeheartedly saying the person Zoro fights is also close in strength to the Luffy's opponent because again, that's not supposed to happen on the enemy side.
I've tried to do power scaling as well but you can ignore it if that's not what you're looking for. Generally I don't see Doffy having been that much stronger than Luffy even if Law helped.
And its arguable that Luffy can also only beat Zoro with G4.
See that?
And I dont believe Pica even requires G4. Luffy can match Pica's mobility with his rubber powers which is Pica's big advantage over Zoro and gear third can already destroy the stone thoroughly.
In the end, Doffy whether with Laws interference or not is still outmatched by Gear fourth. Luffy can't beat Zoro without G4. Luffy can beat Pica without G4.
The power differences here are still staggering. The power difference between someone who can be beaten by G3 and someone who can ONLY be beaten by G4 is still enough to create a mid diff.
Luffy mid diffs Pica at best, and probably low diffs him since Pica doesn't have the mobility advantage. Zoro mid diffed Pica.
I won't say any of this is concrete of course since power scaling is tiresome but you keep asking for a NARATIVE REASON.
The NARATTIVE REASON is that Zoro is too close to Luffy in strength and that's intentionally supposes to be different from every other crew. So the people Zoro fights end up having stuff like ONE STAT stat very much above Zoro in order for the fight to be interesting without wholeheartedly saying the person Zoro fights is also close in strength to the Luffy's opponent because again, that's not supposed to happen on the enemy side.
I've tried to do power scaling as well but you can ignore it if that's not what you're looking for. Generally I don't see Doffy having been that much stronger than Luffy even if Law helped.
who said Jozu is above WB? how do jump from Jozu being more durable to Jozu is above WB?
are u ok in the head? seriously man. i have never had such an weird convo with someone. WSM never meant WB is above everyone in all category. it means he is overall the strongest. everything about him doesnt have to be the best.
also if stat means nothing to u then why would u even talk about stat with @ImmaIvanoM ? after so many post now u r saying stat doesnt matter to u. we wouldnt have this convo if u already mention it in ur initial reply.
also a friendly advice: before going into power level or any type of discussion at least know the terms that are used in those discussion and most importantly know what those means.
how do jump from Jozu being more durable to Jozu is above WB?are u ok in the head? seriously man. i have never had such an weird convo with someone. WSM never meant WB is above everyone in all category. it means he is overall the strongest. everything about him doesnt have to be the best.
also if stat means nothing to u then why would u even talk about stat with @ImmaIvanoM ? after so many post now u r saying stat doesnt matter to u. we wouldnt have this convo if u already mention it in ur initial reply.
also a friendly advice: before going into power level or any type of discussion at least know the terms that are used in those discussion and most importantly know what those means.
Immal is the one who talked about stats. God damn
How can that happen when the other guy doesn't make sense from the get go and latches onto the discussion?
The argument was Endurance and Durability. Instead just runs off?
Maybe I'm alone in this but running away from the discussion doesn't do anything but create animosity as well.
On top of that, Can't see from another perspective? Putting words in the mouth are you?
The argument was Endurance and Durability. Instead just runs off?
Maybe I'm alone in this but running away from the discussion doesn't do anything but create animosity as well.
On top of that, Can't see from another perspective? Putting words in the mouth are you?
It's not your job to school every other guy who doesn't make sense in a topic. I am telling everyone involved, not just you, to stop arguing cause it's pretty clear from your arguments that you all can't find a common ground. I told you to stop to prevent things from going south. I wouldn't be sitting here telling everyone to stop if you're all having a peaceful conversation.
There is a difference b/w running from a topic and avoiding a pointless argument when you know it clearly that it's pointless. If you don't like it when someone says you run away from an argument, you can just tell them that you can't agree with their opinion and ask them to agree to disagree. No one is going to chase after you when you made it clear to them that you don't agree with them. You can always express your opinions without getting yourself involved in a petty argument. It's true, running from an argument won't accomplish anything but arguing for the sake of arguing won't win you an Olympic medal either. So why risk the mental strain?
There is a difference b/w running from a topic and avoiding a pointless argument when you know it clearly that it's pointless. If you don't like it when someone says you run away from an argument, you can just tell them that you can't agree with their opinion and ask them to agree to disagree. No one is going to chase after you when you made it clear to them that you don't agree with them. You can always express your opinions without getting yourself involved in a petty argument. It's true, running from an argument won't accomplish anything but arguing for the sake of arguing won't win you an Olympic medal either. So why risk the mental strain?
I was the civil one yet the other wasn't. He was being insulting actually. He was the one with the problem. I'm free to discuss how ever I want, not be stifled by a mod if it's peaceful. But if you want to exert your power here go right ahead. But my point still stands on my argument.
People here tend to like call people retards/autistic. Yet the very same people make their own Giant leaps of logic. Hypocritical don't you say?
People here tend to like call people retards/autistic. Yet the very same people make their own Giant leaps of logic. Hypocritical don't you say?
Mate, the equivalent of Zoro in the DD family was LAW, not Pica. Pica was the equivalent of Franky to Doflamingo. Pica/Trebol/Diamante are Doffy's Mid Trio. They all were frozen at 99 million.
In reality it was supposed to be
Doflamingo > Luffy
Law > Zoro
Vergo > Sanji
Pica > Franky
Diamante > Brook
Trebol > Robin
The whole point of DR was that Law was a renegade of the DD family. Law vs. Vergo was a battle of the would be right hand vs. current right hand.
Can you stop this nonsense? That was Gear 4 vs. base Doffy in a physical fight. Awakened Doffy fucked up Luffy way more than Gear 4 did Doffy.
The only difference is by the time Doffy went into awakening, he'd already taken way too much damage (GK + Boundman). Compare the attacks Doffy ate vs. Luffy.
With 20 mins of awakening, he'd closed the giant gap in damage.
Doffy's defeat was in essence like Croc. Just rig the circumstances in Luffy's favour, and take down villain with sheer physicality.
In reality it was supposed to be
Doflamingo > Luffy
Law > Zoro
Vergo > Sanji
Pica > Franky
Diamante > Brook
Trebol > Robin
The whole point of DR was that Law was a renegade of the DD family. Law vs. Vergo was a battle of the would be right hand vs. current right hand.
Can you stop this nonsense? That was Gear 4 vs. base Doffy in a physical fight. Awakened Doffy fucked up Luffy way more than Gear 4 did Doffy.
The only difference is by the time Doffy went into awakening, he'd already taken way too much damage (GK + Boundman). Compare the attacks Doffy ate vs. Luffy.
With 20 mins of awakening, he'd closed the giant gap in damage.
Doffy's defeat was in essence like Croc. Just rig the circumstances in Luffy's favour, and take down villain with sheer physicality.
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