Powers & Abilities Why Zoro turning Enma into a blade blade symbolises surpassing Oden
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It's clear (to me) that Oda is using turning Enma black as the basis of having Zoro eventually turn Wado black. First Zoro needs to understand the principle behind forging a black blade, which can be setup by completing turning Enma Black. Once he understands the principle, he can move on to forging Wado black on his own.
Kind of like the principle of unlocking Advanced Haki. Luffy starts out by only be capable of pulling it off in extreme circumstances, and eventually comes to understand the principle behind it, and using it at will.
Kind of like the principle of unlocking Advanced Haki. Luffy starts out by only be capable of pulling it off in extreme circumstances, and eventually comes to understand the principle behind it, and using it at will.
This is already stupid:
1. No where in the story was it said that Oden tried to turn his swords into black blades. Yet alone even know how to do it or that it was possible at all.
Zolo only recently found out that it's possible to turn swords into black blades, and this guy's only personality is swords.
So why would Oden even know/care to turn his swords into black blades when he showed no interest in that sort of thing?
2. What if Enma was already 99% on it's way becoming black blade? How would Zolo adding that 1% mean he surpassed Oden?
1. No where in the story was it said that Oden tried to turn his swords into black blades. Yet alone even know how to do it or that it was possible at all.
Zolo only recently found out that it's possible to turn swords into black blades, and this guy's only personality is swords.
So why would Oden even know/care to turn his swords into black blades when he showed no interest in that sort of thing?
2. What if Enma was already 99% on it's way becoming black blade? How would Zolo adding that 1% mean he surpassed Oden?
That concept of Haki storing makes sense, obviously it doesn't diminish Zoro as one of the heroes because Enma is but a channel for Zoro to learn basics of permanent black blade.
But Zoro would surpass Oden regardless, because it is literally a foregone conclusion at this point that he is surpassing Odens best feat against Kaido.
Zoro is already Oden level in most stats like physical strength, AP, DC, lethality, endurance etc.
But Zoro would surpass Oden regardless, because it is literally a foregone conclusion at this point that he is surpassing Odens best feat against Kaido.
Zoro is already Oden level in most stats like physical strength, AP, DC, lethality, endurance etc.
Enma sucking in excessive Haki would have a role to play with it turning black faster.
But I also think your CoA has to reach excessive level so you can supply the blade with excessive Haki.
Enma just assists that process because it already sucks in excessive Haki, but if your Haki is overwhelming and Enma is assisting it would turn faster.
But I also think your CoA has to reach excessive level so you can supply the blade with excessive Haki.
Enma just assists that process because it already sucks in excessive Haki, but if your Haki is overwhelming and Enma is assisting it would turn faster.
Idk, that's like asking how did anyone who did it first came up with it.
Probably he spent his whole life around the sword, did something and it turned black.
I have no idea and neither do you how to turn black blades.
Did nidai have previous owner? Did that previous owner tried to turn it to black blade?
If you try to turn a used sword black, are the previous owners attempts are nullified?
Probably he spent his whole life around the sword, did something and it turned black.
I have no idea and neither do you how to turn black blades.
Did nidai have previous owner? Did that previous owner tried to turn it to black blade?
If you try to turn a used sword black, are the previous owners attempts are nullified?
But you said oden never tried and thats THE REASON he didnt do it.
RYUMA DIDNT TRY TO DO IT EITHER BUT HE STILL DID
Ryuma is a samurai just like oden
Both live the way of the sword.
Odens swords meant that much to him it was all he left his kids.
Get that double standard the fuck out of here.
So has kuina done 99 percent of the work for wado ?
Its so easy body your trash arguments.
RYUMA DIDNT TRY TO DO IT EITHER BUT HE STILL DID
Ryuma is a samurai just like oden
Both live the way of the sword.
Odens swords meant that much to him it was all he left his kids.
Get that double standard the fuck out of here.
So has kuina done 99 percent of the work for wado ?
Its so easy body your trash arguments.
Zoro doesn't care that much about turning a sword blade either otherwise he would have asked Hitetsu more questions about it, it's something that happens as a result of something else, like unlocking a certain level of CoA/skill. And this stuff about Enma already being on its way to being a black blade is headcanon at this point.
A sword is not a CoA container, because if it was and there was some CoA stored in it, it would naturally hurt logias, but that is clearly not a case.
I think its you providing a blade with overwhelming amount of Ryou in one shot and once you have that level of Ryou you can turn any blade into black blade.
But attaining that level of Ryou is life long process of Haki blooming.
Now Ryou amounts are a thing in One Piece because Enma requires overwhelming amount of Ryou that scabbards don't have and hence they won't be able to weild it.
How does Enma help Zoro turning itself black then? Well Enma already sucks excessive amount of CoA, and if your Haki is already some what overwhelming (and by this I mean Shanks level CoA), its excessive CoA sucking property would suck even more Haki than you can normally supply turning Enma black.
But with turning a blade like Wado, you need even more overwhelming CoA that only Mihawk and Ryuma have/had.
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But we can all show a little patience here and wait for Oda to explain black blades which he obviously will when Zoro turns Enma black.
So we can all hold our horses and stop making hypothesises
I think its you providing a blade with overwhelming amount of Ryou in one shot and once you have that level of Ryou you can turn any blade into black blade.
But attaining that level of Ryou is life long process of Haki blooming.
Now Ryou amounts are a thing in One Piece because Enma requires overwhelming amount of Ryou that scabbards don't have and hence they won't be able to weild it.
How does Enma help Zoro turning itself black then? Well Enma already sucks excessive amount of CoA, and if your Haki is already some what overwhelming (and by this I mean Shanks level CoA), its excessive CoA sucking property would suck even more Haki than you can normally supply turning Enma black.
But with turning a blade like Wado, you need even more overwhelming CoA that only Mihawk and Ryuma have/had.
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But we can all show a little patience here and wait for Oda to explain black blades which he obviously will when Zoro turns Enma black.
So we can all hold our horses and stop making hypothesises
You trashbag, you don't need to always know what you are doing to get a new result.
Do you think all inventions were always made on purpose? Go google accidental inventions you clown.
And Zolo was a swordsman before Wano, yet he had no idea that it was possible to turn swords into black blades? So what does that mean? Was Zolo not a swordsman before Wano?
No, they were the only thing of value he could leave to them.
Why are you so butthurt about it? You can't seriously sit there and tell me Oden tried to turn Enma black but it was still at 0% when Zolo got the sword. But Zolo would make it black from 0% to 100%
Kuina or Wado's previous owner might have very well pushed Wado to 99% black blade, because neither you or I know how to turn swords to black or what it even means.
Yet you try to claim it as some great feat.
Do you think all inventions were always made on purpose? Go google accidental inventions you clown.
And Zolo was a swordsman before Wano, yet he had no idea that it was possible to turn swords into black blades? So what does that mean? Was Zolo not a swordsman before Wano?
No, they were the only thing of value he could leave to them.
Why are you so butthurt about it? You can't seriously sit there and tell me Oden tried to turn Enma black but it was still at 0% when Zolo got the sword. But Zolo would make it black from 0% to 100%
Kuina or Wado's previous owner might have very well pushed Wado to 99% black blade, because neither you or I know how to turn swords to black or what it even means.
Yet you try to claim it as some great feat.