Controversial General Political Discussion

[Mathias]

Men, I had to google it but this is straight up confession

They either fall now or America is screwed to the bone for good.

The mofo can't even say "there is top classified information about our agents that cannot be shared with the public" because it's a straight up pedophile paper and not terrorist one for once

 

[Logiko]

What separates left wing and right wing dictators are the justification they give to use these methods and their goal.

No. It's the methods mate.

Dictatorship is possible while keeping leftist (kinda) values > Dictatorship of the proletariat. In that case, the power is in the hand of the state and people. But with people like Staline, it's not leftism, it's autoritarianism, a fundamental right wing value.

But frankly, I've never liked these concept of "Right" and "Left". This division assimilate the conflicts between leftists and rightists as relativistic political battle. As if both party were right in their own relative plan and there were no right or wrong way to make politics.

In reality. If people are rightists, they are most likely not ethical politically.

There is no relativity here, there is a right side with bad nuances and a completely wrong side who is acting in politics in contrary to ethics and the material reality of the world.

Plato's dialogues with Socrates were all made up. You can't just randomly pick someone on the opposite side and convert them somehow.

Yes. I know. I know it's probably impossible... BUT ... I can't help but trying. It's like a physical need. If I managed to understand leftism (probably because my material conditions of existence changed), I believe that there is a logical way to trigger the empathy of people to make them understand leftism as well.

I can't help it. I have to try everything.

Men, I had to google it but this is straight up confession

 

[Reborn]

As I said earlier, they will release documents



But....it will be filtered down and manipulated to ensure their own names gets cleared.

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

Men, I had to google it but this is straight up confession

They either fall now or America is screwed to the bone for good.

The mofo can't even say "there is top classified information about our agents that cannot be shared with the public" because it's a straight up pedophile paper and not terrorist one for once

Anyone pretending the Trump Administration isn't complicit with this international child sex trafficking ring is ignoring reality to the extent, that they're either:

A: Brainwashed conspiracy theorists that believe official narratives over facts and victims.
B: Complicit/supportive of the crimes.

I think having the FBI redact all this information in the first place is what will fully ruin the administration.

Trump has treated the FBI like MOLDY HORSE TURDS for a decade, there's no way disgruntled Agents aren't leaking shit out of anger. Imagine how many FBI Agents went into the organization because they actually believed in the US Government, and knew someone who had their lives destroyed by sexual assault?

MAGA terrorism is mega terrorism. A gang of rich child rapists has taken over the US and is using the US government to destroy any country/group/individual willing to stand up to their disgusting lies and actions, through economic sanctions, kidnapping, and bribery/blackmail.

The USA is a Rogue State, just like Israel, run by people who have no respect for their country's own laws. We are BEYOND compromised.

We should have listened to the people who survived the Holocaust, they've been warning EVERYONE FOR YEARS, DAMN IT.

 

[HerreraIsBack]

I AM a poor person Einstein.

omfg

I really doubt it giving your lack of comprehension of how poor people are.

But you have seen very little of that on this forum from me. Or Perhaps... hm.. I will grant you that when I arrived, I was still a liberal. My solutions where individualistic. Very idealistic. My radicalization toward materialism is very recent. Maybe 2 years at best. So yeah.. in a sense, I depicted reactionnarism that way.

I challenge you making an argument without using any word with "ism" at the end

 

[Reborn]

Anyone pretending the Trump Administration isn't complicit with this international child sex trafficking ring is ignoring reality to the extent, that they're either:

A: Brainwashed conspiracy theorists that believe official narratives over facts and victims.
B: Complicit/supportive of the crimes.

I think having the FBI redact all this information in the first place is what will fully ruin the administration.

Trump has treated the FBI like MOLDY HORSE TURDS for a decade, there's no way disgruntled Agents aren't leaking shit out of anger. Imagine how many FBI Agents went into the organization because they actually believed in the US Government, and knew someone who had their lives destroyed by sexual assault?

MAGA terrorism is mega terrorism. A gang of rich child rapists has taken over the US and is using the US government to destroy any country/group/individual willing to stand up to their disgusting lies and actions, through economic sanctions, kidnapping, and bribery/blackmail.

The USA is a Rogue State, just like Israel, run by people who have no respect for their country's own laws. We are BEYOND compromised.

We should have listened to the people who survived the Holocaust, they've been warning EVERYONE FOR YEARS, DAMN IT.

Epstein files
Excessive ICE actions
That ugly Bill
Inflation

All of these can be sorted out


But the geopolitical damage Trump is causing is so significant in long run that it will take decades of efforts from America to reshape it again.

Today, Finnish President indirectly targeted Trump and said to have more dignified approach towards Global South or we will lose.

NATO - The closest Allies of USA have popular sentiments running that America can't be trusted with massive hate for Trump.

De-dollarisation is speeding up as well.

 

[Logiko]

I really doubt it giving your lack of comprehension of how poor people are.

I don't even know how to respond to that.

 

[Ravagerblade]

I don't even know how to respond to that.

I'm guessing he's call you a silver-spoon fed type.

 

[Uncle Van]

The notion that methods such as suppressing opposition or curbing rights makes one right winger is wrong as well.


These are just tools which is adopted by any authoritarian regardless of ideology. These aren't hallmark of any ideology but hallmark of all authoritarians.


What separates left wing and right wing dictators are the justification they give to use these methods and their goal.

This made me notice the domino effect I was doing. Militarism for example is a concept found in left and right, but is currently a right wing concept in modern America as the miliary and nationalism is American tradition, therefore more right wing ideologically.

 

[NAMELESS]

This made me notice the domino effect I was doing. Militarism for example is a concept found in left and right, but is currently a right wing concept in modern America as the miliary and nationalism is American tradition, therefore more right wing ideologically.

Ohhhh, someone is finally back to their senses.

 

[Uncle Van]

Ohhhh, someone is finally back to their senses.

.......shut the fuck up human.

 

[Logiko]

I'm guessing he's call you a silver-spoon fed type.

Yeah, I think that's what he means. The lack of empathy in this guy is stellar.

This made me notice the domino effect I was doing. Militarism for example is a concept found in left and right, but is currently a right wing concept in modern America as the miliary and nationalism is American tradition, therefore more right wing ideologically.

And it's about to become a huge leftist concept as well if things escalate even more.

 

[Uncle Van]

So basically the current day political climate in America, and the fact that the most famous authoritarian(Hitler) was right wing, made me associate dictatorships with right wing ideology in the heat of the moment. Pretty much used Amercian standards to overlook words by defintion. The shame.

 

[HerreraIsBack]

the fact that the most famous authoritarian(Hitler) was right wing

Guess you also consider Stalin to be right wing, right?

 

[Uncle Van]

Guess you also consider Stalin to be right wing, right?

I consider him an adult when he turned 18

 

[AL sama]

This made me notice the domino effect I was doing. Militarism for example is a concept found in left and right, but is currently a right wing concept in modern America as the miliary and nationalism is American tradition, therefore more right wing ideologically.

is that why you didn't reply to me??

 

[Uncle Van]

is that why you didn't reply to me??

You were telling me that there are also left eing dictators, something never denied. I disagreed with the idea that dictators are purely left and right.

Since the methods used by dictators like nationalism, militarism, and restriction of freedom are currently long standing right wing beliefs in America, I mistakenly used that to talk about dictatorships as a whole, not taking defintion into account.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

https://www.the-independent.com/new...eene-epstein-files-clients-name-b2819459.html
Literally everything else that comes out of her filthy mouth is vile and vitriolic…but even a conspiracy theory-obsessed, racist, jingoistic clock is right twice a day, I guess

 

[Mathias]

So basically the current day political climate in America, and the fact that the most famous authoritarian(Hitler) was right wing, made me associate dictatorships with right wing ideology in the heat of the moment. Pretty much used Amercian standards to overlook words by defintion. The shame.

Shame shame shame !

 

[Logiko]

Since the methods used by dictators like nationalism, militarism, and restriction of freedom are currently long standing right wing beliefs in America, I mistakenly used that to talk about dictatorships as a whole, not taking defintion into account.

Militarism will most probably be used once again by leftism at one point or another. It's already the case in some region of the world anyway.

Now, we must be careful with the concept of nationalism, especially with imperialist nation such as Westerns one. It's a very shaky ground. And if I believe what we are seeing at the moment with activist people in France, it's a highway to the right. I hope that we can all overcome this nationalist call.

Anyway, I think you are not wrong at all. And it's important to say it on this topic. We must be careful as hell of reactionnary rethorics to avoid creating dictators on the left. That's one of the reason why we are highly conflictual, the risks are too high.