Controversial General Political Discussion

[RyoQ]

But not all people are heterosexual, so this argument is bogus

All humans are ordered towards heterosexual actions, not all humans have feelings that align with said actions. They are still ordered towards it

Much like how all humans are ordered towards having empathy to some degree, some humans are psychopaths but even psychopaths are ordered towards having empathy, even if it's physically more difficult for them because of some natural defect

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If I were hidding jews in my basement during the Nazi occupation in France and if I told to the Gestapo that I was not hidding jews.. Trust me, it wouldn't be wrong to lie here

The ends never justify the means

You would be justified in concealing the truth or saying something misleading but technically correct, but lying in of itself is always immoral

He could if mods were actually respecting their own rules

Mods allow discussion.

The difference being that I do it based on works of scholars, he does it based on bullshit nonsensical thinking.

Teleological reasoning and natural law ethics >>>>>> materialist slop

 

[Monkey D Theories]

All humans are ordered towards heterosexual actions, not all humans have feelings that align with said actions. They are still ordered towards it

This is just your subjective interpretation of reality.

If that makes you feel more secure with your own sexuality, that’s cool I guess. But it’s no more valid than an LGBT person’s views on sexuality.

 

[Akai2]

you know I love banning but I don't have anything to work with here

I know, it's not that the content is the worst I've seen, back in the Bob and Tejas days I've seen worse. It's just the realization that some people are pretty much impossible to have a conversation with. You might as well load chatgpt with the most basic 2005 Bill O'Reilley talking points and have him chat with us lol

 

[RyoQ]

This is just your subjective interpretation of reality

No, that is biological. Unless you think someone having homosexual feelings somehow means their body is ordered towards expressing that feeling.

There are many examples of humans having disordered attractions (for example, to minors, or to siblings, or towards masochism)

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Ultimately Monster and most other people here cannot get past the incest argument which nukes any argument people have towards homosexual marriage being legal

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Unless you think someone having homosexual feelings somehow means their body is ordered towards expressing that feeling.

that is exactly what it means

do you think that sexual desires are not connected to one’s biology?

 

[Akai2]

I’m pretty sure that is an urban myth

Just to lighten the mood here, it's not lol

I'm not Mormon myself, but fun fact, back in Uni, I was asked by two Mormon friends I had to "Shake the bed" for them.

I'll leave the meaning of that to your imagination. I didn't do it btw

 

[Monkey D Theories]

There are many examples of humans having disordered attractions (for example, to minors, or to siblings, or towards masochism)

Disordered attractions are in the DSM because they cause disorder in a person’s life.

They cause an individual to commit sex crimes and if not, causes them intense suffering.

Consensual gay sex is harmless

 

[Akai2]

The thread is turning really gay tbh #NoHomo

Let's change topics, do you think making this thread public would be a net positive or negative to the quality of convos here?

 

[RyoQ]

Disordered attractions are in the DSM because they cause disorder in a person’s life.

They cause an individual to commit sex crimes and if not, causes them intense suffering.

Consensual gay sex is harmless

No, the disorder is within the thing itself. Function follows form, and the form of the human reproductive organs is towards...obviously reproductive actions which exclude homosexuality

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that is exactly what it means

do you think that sexual desires are not connected to one’s biology?

They are, but ones biology can be defective in some way or other. Deviant attractions are always a defect

 

[Uncle Van]

I'm fine with that now, this forum is dying anyway

Not really. It's a combination of multiple factors
-Summer is over and people are back in school
-flashback
-frequent breaks
-political chaos and focused on staying afloat
-older fans turning to other things while new fans are hard to come by due to OP's length

you know I love banning but I don't have anything to work with here

Not quite(probably). He's abusing plausible denialibility. He's blatantly insinuating certain things but avoids saying it outright. He says homosexuality is evil and that they shouldn't be allowed to get married, aka advocating for their rights to be taken away/them having rights is wrong. When directly asked should they lose their rights, he avoids answering. Bob got perma banned for saying women shouldn't have right to choose who they want to be with. H

 

[AL sama]

Just to lighten the mood here, it's not lol

I'm not Mormon myself, but fun fact, back in Uni, I was asked by two Mormon friends I had to "Shake the bed" for them.

I'll leave the meaning of that to your imagination. I didn't do it btw

would've been epic if you did

 

[Logiko]

Tbf that says "berating users specifically or making vague discriminatory comments to bait a reaction out of users"
I don't remember him attacking any users here for being homosexual or anything.

Trust me that when he says "homosexuality is unatural and a sin and bad" he is targetting every gay or lesbian users on this forum.

That's basic oppressive rethoric. You don't stop being oppressive just because you do not target someone specific, especially when you spread your rethoric on 3000 pages of a thread in a political forum.

This rethoric can have real life harmfull effect on people, that's what you guys do not understand

you know I love banning but I don't have anything to work with here

It's not a question of content, it's a question of understanding if a rethoric is harmfull or not.

Someone insulting me by calling me a motherfucker is LESS harmfull than someone saying "Trans women are not really women" in the wind without targetting anyone.

Not really. It's a combination of multiple factors
-Summer is over and people are back in school
-flashback
-frequent breaks
-political chaos and focused on staying afloat
-older fans turning to other things while new fans are hard to come by due to OP's length

Nop. It's because this place is not a safe place for the One Piece fanbase to strive. Simple as that.

>>>>

However, if you want to restore traffic to prime levels, make this thread public. Fuck it can't be half pregnant and hide it with iffy/inconsistent moderation. Either go all out and invite all the bigots, hardcore righties, hardcore lefties, etc... for an all out war with no modding, or just close it.

Or we just make this place more inclusive and we allow it to be a safe place for people to come without being insulted, without seeing hateful rethoric or without seeing their favorite story being trashed on 24/7

This forum is not dying for no reasons.

People do understand that if I fight, it's not to destroy this forum but to actually transform it in a real cool place for the fanbase.

The ends never justify the means

You would be justified in concealing the truth or saying something misleading but technically correct, but lying in of itself is always immoral

Wait, let me try to understand you.

Are you saying that it's not ok to lie to the gestapo if you say "I'm not hidding jews" when in fact you do are hidding jews from being deported and exterminated in the context of the occupation of France by Nazi ?

Mods allow discussion.

Mods allow oppression

Teleological reasoning and natural law ethics >>>>>> materialist slop

That's why you do not understand the world.

 

[Akai2]

would've been epic if you did

I was like 70% sure they were trolling me and just wanted to see my reaction, but I didn't even give them a chance I shut that shit down.

 

[Uncle Van]

Trust me that when he says "homosexuality is unatural and a sin and bad" he is targetting every gay or lesbian users on this forum.

That's basic oppressive rethoric. You don't stop being oppressive just because you do not target someone specific, especially when you spread your rethoric on 3000 pages of a thread in a political forum.

This rethoric can have real life harmfull effect on people, that's what you guys do not understand


It's not a question of content, it's a question of understanding if a rethoric is harmfull or not.

Someone insulting me by calling me a motherfucker is LESS harmfull than someone saying "Trans women are not really women" in the wind without targetting anyone.




Nop. It's because this place is not a safe place for the One Piece fanbase to strive. Simple as that.

>>>>



Or we just make this place more inclusive and we allow it to be a safe place for people to come without being insulted, without seeing hateful rethoric or without seeing their favorite story being trashed on 24/7

This forum is not dying for no reasons.

People do understand that if I fight, it's not to destroy this forum but to actually transform it in a real cool place for the fanbase.



Wait, let me try to understand you.

Are you saying that it's not ok to lie to the gestapo if you say "I'm not hidding jews" when in fact you do are hidding jews from being deported and exterminated in the context of the occupation of France by Nazi ?



Mods allow oppression



That's why you do not understand the world.

.....Not safe? Lost the plot again

 

[Mathias]

Not quite(probably). He's abusing plausible denialibility. He's blatantly insinuating certain things but avoids saying it outright. He says homosexuality is evil and that they shouldn't be allowed to get married, aka advocating for their rights to be taken away/them having rights is wrong. When directly asked should they lose their rights, he avoids answering. Bob got perma banned for saying women shouldn't have right to choose who they want to be with. H

Aren't you a mod too ?

 

[Monkey D Theories]

No, the disorder is within the thing itself. Function follows form, and the form of the human reproductive organs is towards...obviously reproductive actions which exclude homosexuality

you are presupposing that everything in life has a purpose, that you know the purpose of everything, and that other people’s interpretations are less valid.

For all we know, God isnt real and everything is random, meaningless , and occurring purely by chance.

 

[Uncle Van]

Aren't you a mod too ?

Not only the one. Gotta make sure some of us are on the same page lol

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Trust me that when he says "homosexuality is unatural and a sin and bad" he is targetting every gay or lesbian users on this forum.

That's basic oppressive rethoric. You don't stop being oppressive just because you do not target someone specific, especially when you spread your rethoric on 3000 pages of a thread in a political forum.

This rethoric can have real life harmfull effect on people, that's what you guys do not understand


It's not a question of content, it's a question of understanding if a rethoric is harmfull or not.

Someone insulting me by calling me a motherfucker is LESS harmfull than someone saying "Trans women are not really women" in the wind without targetting anyone.




Nop. It's because this place is not a safe place for the One Piece fanbase to strive. Simple as that.

>>>>



Or we just make this place more inclusive and we allow it to be a safe place for people to come without being insulted, without seeing hateful rethoric or without seeing their favorite story being trashed on 24/7

This forum is not dying for no reasons.

People do understand that if I fight, it's not to destroy this forum but to actually transform it in a real cool place for the fanbase.



Wait, let me try to understand you.

Are you saying that it's not ok to lie to the gestapo if you say "I'm not hidding jews" when in fact you do are hidding jews from being deported and exterminated in the context of the occupation of France by Nazi ?



Mods allow oppression



That's why you do not understand the world.

nobody but a handful of active members actually cares about this thread.

 

[Akai2]

Or we just make this place more inclusive and we allow it to be a safe place for people to come without being insulted, without seeing hateful rethoric or without seeing their favorite story being trashed on 24/7

This forum is not dying for no reasons.

People do understand that if I fight, it's not to destroy this forum but to actually transform it in a real cool place for the fanbase.

Nah this is a niche powerscaling brainrot forum. Most people here don't read One Piece for the things One Piece actually does, which is totally fine with me.

If we change this to an OP love fest forum it'd die the next day.

This forum has found it's role in the online fandom, we just need Oda to drop agenda bait without taking breaks lol

Or we can just make this thread public like my plan

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Trust me that when he says "homosexuality is unatural and a sin and bad" he is targetting every gay or lesbian users on this forum.

That's basic oppressive rethoric. You don't stop being oppressive just because you do not target someone specific, especially when you spread your rethoric on 3000 pages of a thread in a political forum.

This rethoric can have real life harmfull effect on people, that's what you guys do not understand


It's not a question of content, it's a question of understanding if a rethoric is harmfull or not.

Someone insulting me by calling me a motherfucker is LESS harmfull than someone saying "Trans women are not really women" in the wind without targetting anyone.




Nop. It's because this place is not a safe place for the One Piece fanbase to strive. Simple as that.

>>>>



Or we just make this place more inclusive and we allow it to be a safe place for people to come without being insulted, without seeing hateful rethoric or without seeing their favorite story being trashed on 24/7

This forum is not dying for no reasons.

People do understand that if I fight, it's not to destroy this forum but to actually transform it in a real cool place for the fanbase.



Wait, let me try to understand you.

Are you saying that it's not ok to lie to the gestapo if you say "I'm not hidding jews" when in fact you do are hidding jews from being deported and exterminated in the context of the occupation of France by Nazi ?



Mods allow oppression



That's why you do not understand the world.

Like Van said he's purposefully beating around the bush. It's like someone saying "I think women should be treated like they were in the 50s" and then when you ask them if they're a misogynist they go "Nope never said women should be beat or treated like living sex dolls or personal maids or anything else that happened in the old days"
The implication is pretty damn obvious either way, but he's trying hard not to cross the line by actively telling us that he just wants gay people to suffer.