Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
Every police violence is unjustified. The police in its existence is unjustified.
Given the utter lack of context here, you think crime of all kinds is justified?

You seem to equate both as if the critics are similars.
I'm talking about people in this thread about a very specific thing. No need to once again make it about left vs right as a whole.

You have a lot of knowledge, I never denied that. In fact I respect and admire you for that. But you have a big idealist political bias that prevents you from listening to genuine and legitimate critics or argumentations like mine.
What makes me idealist by definiton? Seems counter productive to my detached curiosity and lack of vision for the future. Or are you saying I'm biased against idealism?
 
Nop. But that's not your first lie.


There is no genocide going on only genocide prevetion by Israel preventing Hamas to genocide jews.
You are lucky. Very lucky.


Already in process. Do your part now.


Didn't called you anything. You don't want to end any genocide, that's why you say 0 words about the still kidnapped people
You are very very lucky.


Words on a forum can't hurt you, but if you think that things around here are somehow 'violent' now, even with regularly active mods, I can't imagine what sort of self-induced trauma you'll experience from just one week without mods. :absojustice:
Don't worry. I've been experiementing it for years. The moderation is but a quick fix, it does change anything about the systematism of the problem. And learn about the powers of world. If words couldn't hurt, there wouldn't need any moderation to begin with.


Given the utter lack of context here, you think crime of all kinds is justified.
No. Rather that the response in front of those crimes is unjustified.

Most rapist, murderers and criminals are out of prison, those who are targeted by the system are the ennemy of said system usually racialized people. This is, for ex, something welearn to understand through sociological datas, studies and researches under a materialistic lens.

I'm talking about people in this thread about a very specific thing. No need to once again make it about left vs right as a whole.
Sadly, The problem is always the same:


What makes me idealist by definiton? Seems counter productive to my detached curiosity and lack of vision for the future.
A little context:

The meanings and political implications of both notions "materialism" and "idealism" changed over time.

- The concept of "idealism"took the shape of the idea of imagining a better world, a form of delusion of the futur, a form of dreaming state...
-The concept of "materialism" took the shape of people being completely overcentered around material possession.

As such, both terms were depoliticized and dephilosophilized and took the form of "bad" types of behaviors and mindset. Ironically enough, idealism took the lesser damages as dreamers are usually called idealists where materialists have to deconstruct the concept to be understood at everyturn by the general audience.

The problem is that those representation are wrong philosophically and politically.

Materialism refers to a structural philosophy of seeing the world, a vision where the material reality is dependant of our minds when Idealism is the opposite, where reality can only exist through the determinations of the mind.

As such:


Materialist believe that the material reality of the world and the condition of existence shape our ideas.
VS
Idealist believe that the determination of the mind and our will shape the material reality of the world

People like Marx who imagined a potential capitalist-free society, where Materialist, when people like Kant, who were at the center of the age of enlightnement were completely idealists.

In practice, this creates THE MAJOR political conflict in our entire existence which is a battle between a set of values that seeks to changes systemsand institution to influence people and create a better society VS a set of values that seeks to change behavior in order for people to make society better.

In reality, you could say that materialists are closer to dreamers than idealists who rather have a conservatist tendancy to seek reality through their biases and ideology. Strong materialist will usually follow the scientific process when idealists will usually follow a set of beliefs about systems and humanity.

Fascism is a symptom of autoritative idealism.

Now..


When I tell you that there is a systemic problem and you either refuse to aknowledge its existence or deny the importance of attacking it systematically, you are being idealist as in your are thinking through the concept of changing behaviors and individualities instead of thinking through the modification of structures of systems.
 
Nop. But that's not your first lie.
Lost the count of your lies.

You are lucky. Very lucky.
Not really. My president is alligned with terrorists and countries that invades others. If we don't change that next year we will be at the losing side of WWIII
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My politics is I want a worldwide pizza party
Is that Luffy's dream?
 

Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
No. Rather that the response in front of those crimes is unjustified.

Most rapist, murderers and criminals are out of prison, those who are targeted by the system are the ennemy of said system usually racialized people. This is, for ex, something welearn to understand through sociological datas, studies and researches under a materialistic lens.
You really have a habit of over-explaining things while at the same time nothing at all. It always so forcefully philosophical.

The worse the material conditions, the more likely someone is to commit a crime. There is a reason richer communities always have less and less crimes, and it is because their material conditions are more properly being met. Ronald Reagan and his concept of meritocracy propaganda made conservatives believe that someone commits crime simply because they lack morals and integrity, emphasizing the need for incarceration. Basically always addressing the symptoms and not the source.

Result? America has the highest incarceration rate in the world, and also the highest crime rate still.
Materialist believe that the material reality of the world and the condition of existence shape our ideas.
VS
Idealist believe that the determination of the mind and our will shape the material reality of the world
? I don't believe that at all though? Human beings are obviously products of their environment. Humans are always taught.
 
You really have a habit of over-explaining things while at the same time nothing at all. It always so forcefully philosophical.
I know, I can't help myself


The worse the material conditions, the more likely someone is to commit a crime. There is a reason richer communities always have less and less crimes
The nature of the infractions are not the same, altough the crimes of rich people are usually invizibilized, I agree that poorer material condition will push people to do more crimes, that's true.


Ronald Reagan and his concept of meritocracy propaganda made conservatives believe that someone commits crime simply because they lack morals and integrity, emphasizing the need for incarceration. Basically always addressing the symptoms and not the source.

Result? America has the highest incarceration rate in the world, and also the highest crime rate still.
We completely agree on that. That's a good framing.

? I don't believe that at all though? Human beings are obviously products of their environment. Humans are always taught.
It's nuanced mate. People are never 100% materialist or idealist. It's a mix that must be adjusted contextually because not all things require the full materialist framework, but when idealism is too great, that's when it becomes a problem for political discussion and systemic framework like the fact of looking at solutions to make this forum a better place.

The vision that all types of rethorics are acceptables in the marketplace of ideas is fundamentally idealistic. Words hurt, words shape, words can transform. As such we come in disagreement massively on the way this forum should be run, or the way it should be structured.

Being materialist is being able to recognize ourselves and our places in the chain of domination and power. What power do we hold? What power can we have ? What domination do we allow or perpetuate etc.
 
@Uncle Van is the kind of cop like in John Woo movies.

What did you do before becoming part of the police btw ? If you don’t mind obviously. Did you work in a dictionary bookstore reading definitions all day ?
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CoC: Color of Clowns

Be Good, not great. Garchu responsibly.
so there shouldn't be any law enforcers huh

hey @Uncle Van let's not mod this thread for a week :optimistic::optimistic:
Make me the mod of the Politics Thread for a week, what could possibly go wrong?

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I only want to start like... 20 or so revolutions... Okay maybe a lot more than 20... Whole species needs to revolt against this bullshit. The entire system is shit, and anyone who wants to tell me it can't be removed is lying.
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
It aint even about being proactive; its about people constantly using their own morality and biases as a substitute for right and wrong. I'm simply obsessed with history and how things came to be, and also probably helps that I don't have any strong convictions.

Results? Both the lefties and right wingers in this thread give me the middle finger and make assumptions to feel morally superior lol



Some of these guys believe Benito Mussolini and Adolf Hitler were leftist despite blaming and targeting leftist to protect the capitalist status quo. What did you expect?
As I said before, you fit into left nicely.

Left needs more like you who can make sense instead of talking too much morality or too extreme which steers away from ground realities.

And, if Leftists give you middle finger then even better - because it tells you the state of Leftist to which they have falllen
 
"The Utopists won the battle. They proved that they were the really practical people, and that those who pretended to be practical were imbeciles.



And the only regret expressed now by all who know the Russian peasantry is, that too many concessions were made to those practical imbeciles and narrow-minded egotists: that the advice of the left wing of the unpractical camp was not followed in full. "



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You can tell Wogiko is the GOAT of this forum because right wingers keep hating on him the most and trying to dismiss him
 
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