When you think of a triangle, you grasp the concept of triangulation itself, the definition of a triangle

The mind grasps concepts, a concept can't be contained inside matter by definition. It's immaterial. So actions of the mind that work with concepts (such as self-reflection) can't be reduced to material functions.
 
I'm not making a point tbh, I was just curious to know if you have position in these discussions
im not a fan of philosophy, thats why i said i didnt really care either way. at the end of the day, we dont know. but i have no good reason to believe supernatural claims about consciousness can only come from souls. since that wasnt your point, i jumped to a conclusion based on assumptions, that was my bad.
 
this analogy only works if what we call self-reflection is a material process which can be found in the brain

it's not, since it involves immaterial actions such as thinking about concepts, choosing between thoughts (which involves the will, also something immaterial), etc.
No. It involves material action. That's what you do not take into account. While the materiality of the subjectivity of the sensation can be questionned through the hard problem, the process behind this action is not extra-natural. It's a consequence of material action and consequences. The will, for ex, is a material process. It's not some extra-dimensional quality of human experience coming from nothing.

I remembered this meme lol
lol.

But in reality - all state of consciousness are the result of material process. It's the qualia, the raw feeling, that is questionnable.

It's a vast debate inside the realm of materialism that is already a vast debate.



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When you think of a triangle, you grasp the concept of triangulation itself, the definition of a triangle

The mind grasps concepts, a concept can't be contained inside matter by definition. It's immaterial. So actions of the mind that work with concepts (such as self-reflection) can't be reduced to material functions.
A concept is but a projection of a material process, an self-interpretation of reality based on specific parameters. When your brain is wired differently, you interprete reality differently. The material > Creates > The interpretation of the material
 
No. It involves material action. That's what you do not take into account. While the materiality of the subjectivity of the sensation can be questionned through the hard problem, the process behind this action is not extra-natural. It's a consequence of material action and consequences. The will, for ex, is a material process. It's not some extra-dimensional quality of human experience coming from nothing.
I agree, it does involve materiality. But it is above materiality because it pulls forms from matter

Brain -> 5 senses, fires neurons, stores memory, etc.

Mind -> receives info from brain to form concepts, uses concepts to engage in self-reflection
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Because materialism is false, there exists form + matter, brain interacts with matter, the mind or self-reflective part of consciousness interacts with the form of matter during thinking/self reflection
 

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LOL CNN censoring the fascism out



The law is like children to them:

They'll twist the law into whatever they want it to be.

Pathetic sycophants censoring truth to suck up to authority.

If we found out CNN and FOX were communing with Goebbels in hell to get tips on how to lie to the public, I would not be surprised.
 

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Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
this is my most favorite quote by myself

"there's no good there's no evil there's no right there's no wrong there's only one thing and that's point of view"
:choppawhat:

So a mentally ill sociopath killing his wife and 2 children and then killing himself is not evil/wrong, but just a "perspective"?

What about the torturing and abuse cartells in South Korea? What is their perspective?

What about a capable person saving someone's life after a heart attack? Isn't that "good" as per definition?
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What AL is saying here I think, he is subjectively practicing "Null Philosophy" and he thinks it's the absolute perspective.
Perspectivism doesn't equate to relativism.

In nature there might not be good or bad, but in one's perspective, there is.

It doesn't mean you have to join a drug cartel
I think it's partially true.

One can say there is no good or bad.

One can argue outside events aren't inherently good or bad...its our perception which add meaning to the outside events.

As perception of everyone differs based on experience, conscience, culture and so on...so, does the meaning they attach to outside events. Thus, one can say there isn't anything good or bad.... right or wrong.


However, I do feel this is partially true. There are certain things which can be argued are inherently wrong....like genocides or inherently good.
 
That's why you shouldn't listen to apolitical youtubers, specifically when they have ATROCIOUS narrative takes. Jay D completely misses the subtilities of Luffy's character. While Luffy will usually refuse to intervene. This refusal stands on ethical principles of non interference.

Luffy, when presented with the entire context of an injust and oppressive situation, does not wait to intervenene or try to.





Brain -> 5 senses, fires neurons, stores memory, etc.
The five sense thing is actually a myth. We have so much more senses than that.


Mind -> receives info from brain to form concepts, uses concepts to engage in self-reflection
Indeed. And the loop is influencing itself



Here you can see the speed of the ball as the nature of the signals, when the signal is X, the ball falls, but when it's Y it goes faster and can influence the trajectory of others signals. As you can see here, a self contained system influencing itself.


if what illogiko says about materialism is true, there can be really no ethics or morals at all to begin with so nothing can be argued as inherently evil. AKA you could justify anything
Of course there can. Our material interest are determining our ethics.
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
if what illogiko says about materialism is true, there can be really no ethics or morals at all to begin with so nothing can be argued as inherently evil. AKA you could justify anything
One can indeed justify anything.

But justification doesn't equate to being true.

Perspective only reflects how one see things which varies....but is that perspective in itself is right or wrong is different thing.
 
That's why you shouldn't listen to apolitical youtubers, specifically when they have ATROCIOUS narrative takes. Jay D completely misses the subtilities of Luffy's character. While Luffy will usually refuse to intervene. This refusal stands on ethical principles of non interference.

Luffy, when presented with the entire context of an injust and oppressive situation, does not wait to intervenene or try to.



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I don't think Jay is necessarily wrong in a sense that Luffy does not go out of his way to help people like some fans project him too. Would Luffy let an injustice happen in front of him? probably not. If he was in IRL would he go to Ukraine, Sudan or Palestine to help them? Probably not lol
 
good = personal interest
bad = personal loss

I can't make it any easier than that
this does not answer my question at all, but I guess I can accept this out of box take

whether I can add it to my values is another thing

when I think about it, I see it for sure differently

I think it's partially true.

One can say there is no good or bad.

One can argue outside events aren't inherently good or bad...its our perception which add meaning to the outside events.

As perception of everyone differs based on experience, conscience, culture and so on...so, does the meaning they attach to outside events. Thus, one can say there isn't anything good or bad.... right or wrong.


However, I do feel this is partially true. There are certain things which can be argued are inherently wrong....like genocides or inherently good.
like what Reborn-san is tackling here, "inheritance".

Accumulation into human growth are one thing I consider as inherently good. Without it we wouldn't exist as we are, we probably would have no history books and the concept of teaching and learning would not exist.

Taking this into another direction, like for example in a materialistic-philosophical sense, I personally think that the idea of "overneccessity" is a bad thing. Because it is the root cause of fatigue. Not only fatigue for humans, but fatigue towards bigger structures, mechanisms and concepts.

Just examples if we take the "inheritant" layer of this.

Anyway I am done flexxing. I am short on time lol
 
I think it's partially true.

One can say there is no good or bad.

One can argue outside events aren't inherently good or bad...its our perception which add meaning to the outside events.

As perception of everyone differs based on experience, conscience, culture and so on...so, does the meaning they attach to outside events. Thus, one can say there isn't anything good or bad.... right or wrong.


However, I do feel this is partially true. There are certain things which can be argued are inherently wrong....like genocides or inherently good.
Hitler committed genocide which is considered objectively bad/evil but it was good for him and his followers
 
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