Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1164 Spoilers Discussion

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I loke how you argue from one side "being more relevant" doesnt mean "stronger" hence Silver Axe>BM somehow. And in the other hand you base your WB downplay on "he seems less relevant than Garp and Roger" lmao
True, because we have to nitpick at that lvl. Garp is not below WB at all, whereas before this flashback I had WB above Roger by a hair and clearly above Garp. That's over now.

The gap between Shiki and BM is bigger, it's not nitpicking.
 
So Davy jones was former King of Ancient Kingdom now it makes sense , the AK was formerly knows as Davy Kingdom most likely and there must be reason why 20 kings rebelled .

Current 20 kings are evil of third world .

In second world it was Davy Clan who terrorized the world .

I am guessing Davy are true heir if the world is why Govt want them gone.
 
If Davy Jones was indeed the King of the AK, I'm saying it right here and now: Imu was born a low-class servant of the Davy Family, maybe even a slave. When the Twenty Kings turned against the Ancient Kingdom, he came to them as an advisor, as he had detailed knowledge of their inner workings.

Then at some point, he had whoever the user of the Ope-Ope Fruit at the time (Maybe a fellow ex-slave?) swap his and King Nerona Imu's bodies and then he killed him and took his identity.

All of the things Imu does is just to never have anyone know he was just a simple slave and thief once.
King of the rats for a reason
 
It is the exact same? And this pedestal you’re trying to put them on is fine if you wanna discuss importance, but that doesn’t translate to a power level???
Why will somebody weak will be included in a combo attack against the strongest being in an important panel.
Shiki, Gaban, Ray etc can replaced rookie Kaido and Mom logicall as they stronger? And could dish out stronger attack vs Imu? True.

But why does Oda decides weak rookie Kaido + Bigmom included in a combo attack of PK lvl characters against Imu?
He did so, because it look epic in his minds if 3 future Yonko + 3 people that define that era (Xebec Garp Roger) fight against Imu....while every other legendary pirates who were in the same island gets sidelined doing minor things.
Being future Yonko tax plays a great role and yes it's power scaling if anything.

The beliefs you have that Kaido BM are "confirmed" below all old gen like Shiki, Ray, Gaban who have yet to do or have major involvement in a big opportunity like God Valley is always a baseless surface lvl thinking.
 
Okay so this chapter also kills the idea that Rocks has anything to do with Blackbeard's "weird body" at least since he and Eris escape.

Its looking like Rocks definitely dies here as it stands. Now the question of what exactly happens to GV remains to be seen. Either its obliterated or it "becomes" something else I suppose after the destruction that occurs (i.e. Thriller Bark or Uranus)
 
Why will somebody weak will be included in a combo attack against the strongest being in an important panel.
Shiki, Gaban, Ray etc can replaced rookie Kaido and Mom logicall as they stronger? And could dish out stronger attack vs Imu? True.

But why does Oda decides weak rookie Kaido + Bigmom included in a combo attack of PK lvl characters against Imu?
He did so, because it look epic in his minds if 3 future Yonko + 3 people that define that era (Xebec Garp Roger) fight against Imu....while every other legendary pirates who were in the same island gets sidelined doing minor things.
Being future Yonko tax plays a great role and yes it's power scaling if anything.

The beliefs you have that Kaido BM are "confirmed" below all old gen like Shiki, Ray, Gaban who have yet to do or have major involvement in a big opportunity like God Valley is always a baseless surface lvl thinking.
Why was someone weak included on a team against two yonko? Again you’re just saying the same stuff people used to justify scaling killer > Marco and Sanji
:seriously:

Of the characters involved in the Imu attack, Oda immediately separated the character who became PK level after GV out. Whitebeard Roger and Garp. Now it’s literally canon that Shiki is on the same level as Whitebeard and Roger prior to the great pirate era.

It’s not surface level, it’s pretty cut and dry that these characters who became PK level are above the ones who capped at the yonko position.
 
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