Controversial Wano is bad, and that is inexcusable.

#1
I’m ngl to you guys, I used to crusade for Wano. I genuinely was entertained by Roof Piece and the Kaido fight overall. But now that we’ve had almost four years to let it ruminate, I can clearly see the massive problems it has.

First of all, it’s inexcusable that, as an arc, Wano was supposed to be the most planned-out and pivotal arc up to that point. Oda clearly wasted his and our time by giving so much screen time to nothing characters like Raizo, while also creating characters that served no purpose beyond cluttering panels with some wacky designs (e.g., the Oniwabanshu)

This time could’ve been used to develop the characters we actually cared about and/or who were pivotal to the arc overall. If God Valley has shown us anything, it’s that Kaido and Big Mom can be very interesting and entertaining characters, and making their relationship central to the Onigashima section of the arc would’ve been a very compelling narrative device — one that could’ve hooked the audience and created a more layered conflict between the old and new generations.

There are things I like, but they feel like pre-planned and isolated moments that were meticulously designed to invoke strong emotions in the reader — and it doesn’t always feel like those emotions were earned through good storytelling within the arc itself.

The thing is, I don’t think Wano’s failure is due to Oda being burnt out or lacking ability. I genuinely think it was a conscious choice he made, fully aware that people wouldn’t like many of his decisions. It does feel like Egghead and Elbaf are a return to form in comparison to what we got in this arc, because a lot of what’s hooked me about Egghead and Elbaf is completely missing here. Oda allowed Wano to be an isolated and disjointed arc (fitting, given the in-world political and geographical realities of Wano), which felt like an ode to Japan itself, with pivotal plot points that needed to be developed and paid off for the rest of the story.

Anyways, feel free to discuss further — or don’t. This was meant to be a self-therapeutic thread to come to terms with my disappointment.
 
#2
Bro unlike with Europeans and USA comics ,Oda is doing both writting and drawing the manga and he is doing it weekly . I think drawing 12 - 17 pages alone weekly is huge job not to mention additional effort of making the story . He is not George R. R. Martin who has years to think , rewrite all stuff that he doesnt like before deciding to go for final product . Oda has not time for such huge things , he does things on fly most times , he cant afford different.

Considering the difficulty of the task I think he is doing great job. Each new arc has new island with different specific design , big chunk or new side characters , different plot with different villains . He is doing fine.
 
#3
oda doesnt “plan” things out as much as you guys like to believe. He has said multiple times that he loves adding stuff to his story which then extends the arcs. He also said he changes his mind on stuff all the time

Wano is probably the biggest example of unfettered creativity. Too many characters and too many themes. Non cohesive and rushed because there was no way to satisfy everyone without making the arc a lot longer
 

TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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#11
The misuse of the antagonists didn’t help. We barely got the All Stars before the raid, the Tobi Rōppo exist for an entirety of 20 chapters (shared with dozens of other characters and plots) before their match ups start.

Meanwhile, Yamato has more panel time in Onigashima than King the wildfire (Zoro’s pivotal fight to close off the entire new world saga thus far).

The lack of conflict—and the lack of stakes following this—is what hurts Wano the most imo. It all blends into filler and dry resolutions.
 
#12
We told yall, ZKK was the only thing that could have saved Wano. You didnt listen. :kayneshrug:
Right, I'll never believe that Oda didn't intend it at one point because the hole left behind is massive, awkwardly shaped, and very poorly filled in. They can laugh about how Oda didn't do it or never thought that much of Zoro etc. but the end result is a shitty ass resolution so who wins.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#14
Right, I'll never believe that Oda didn't intend it at one point because the hole left behind is massive, awkwardly shaped, and very poorly filled in. They can laugh about how Oda didn't do it or never thought that much of Zoro etc. but the end result is a shitty ass resolution so who wins.
He definitely intended it and even made Zoro spell it out.
Even with the way it ended, when you think about it, he pulled off what ZKK should have been.
But he made it into a dollar store version of it, narratively.

What ZKK should have been? Zoro slaying a flaming dragon in the skies above Wano, a guy who happens to be the toughest.
What did we get instead? Zoro slaying a flaming dragon in the skies above Wano produced by a guy who was the actual toughest.
Why he changed his mind mid-way is still a mystery.
 
#17
He definitely intended it and even made Zoro spell it out.
Even with the way it ended, when you think about it, he pulled off what ZKK should have been.
But he made it into a dollar store version of it, narratively.

What ZKK should have been? Zoro slaying a flaming dragon in the skies above Wano, a guy who happens to be the toughest.
What did we get instead? Zoro slaying a flaming dragon in the skies above Wano produced by a guy who was the actual toughest.
Why he changed his mind mid-way is still a mystery.
There's a ton to criticize but the weirdest thing had to be how he couldn't commit to the death of Kaido at all. Luffy, of all characters in a series where people very rarely die, finally kills a villain (the biggest villain in 100+ volumes) and Oda three years later hasn't touched it after that shitty little figure in the lava. Everyone just stepped right over it.
 
#18
He definitely intended it and even made Zoro spell it out.
Even with the way it ended, when you think about it, he pulled off what ZKK should have been.
But he made it into a dollar store version of it, narratively.

What ZKK should have been? Zoro slaying a flaming dragon in the skies above Wano, a guy who happens to be the toughest.
What did we get instead? Zoro slaying a flaming dragon in the skies above Wano produced by a guy who was the actual toughest.
Why he changed his mind mid-way is still a mystery.
This is what happens when oda stops a domino effect
:kriwhat:

And best thing. He said a strong punch won't best kaidou.
Only for it to he a bigger punch. Shit ending and plot.

Kaidou deserved honorable death
 
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