What are you talking about? Where do you find those delusions? Killer never cried against Zoro but he should have.
Because Gyukimaru took his weapons lol. Zoro with fodder swords = Zoro with meitos. Facts, not nonsense.
Whitebeard was the strongest man in the world and he had no named moves, lame excuse. Zoro wasnt knocked out, read it again.
Zoro fainted as a result of his hunger, lay off the Two Piece copies, lol.
If you understood how main characters and their power works you wouldnt be saying that.
Not all top tiers can solo top tiers so your point is moot.
Bets are always welcome if you understand how the power of the main characters works. If not, it's pointless.
Because Gyukimaru took his weapons lol. Zoro with fodder swords = Zoro with meitos. Facts, not nonsense.
Whitebeard was the strongest man in the world and he had no named moves, lame excuse. Zoro wasnt knocked out, read it again.
Zoro fainted as a result of his hunger, lay off the Two Piece copies, lol.
If you understood how main characters and their power works you wouldnt be saying that.
Not all top tiers can solo top tiers so your point is moot.
Bets are always welcome if you understand how the power of the main characters works. If not, it's pointless.
I said next scene, chapter 944 Kidd comments on Killer's mental state and Killer is crying, this is not the scene of a person at their best mentally.
Well to be fair giving him fodder swords is less of a nerf than forcing a completely different weapon on him. But in any case if meitos didn't matter why does Zoro believe he needs 3 of them to be at his best and search out for better blades? Why not pick up a random katana rather than pine for shusui?
Whitebeard was physically and mentally nerfed in marineford. Just because a character doesn't show named moves doesn't mean they don't have them.
Who do you cut off as the strongest high tier and weakest top tier to so confidently put Zoro on top tier status?
Well to be fair giving him fodder swords is less of a nerf than forcing a completely different weapon on him. But in any case if meitos didn't matter why does Zoro believe he needs 3 of them to be at his best and search out for better blades? Why not pick up a random katana rather than pine for shusui?
Whitebeard was physically and mentally nerfed in marineford. Just because a character doesn't show named moves doesn't mean they don't have them.
Who do you cut off as the strongest high tier and weakest top tier to so confidently put Zoro on top tier status?
I said next scene, chapter 944 Kidd comments on Killer's mental state and Killer is crying, this is not the scene of a person at their best mentally.
Well to be fair giving him fodder swords is less of a nerf than forcing a completely different weapon on him. But in any case if meitos didn't matter why does Zoro believe he needs 3 of them to be at his best and search out for better blades? Why not pick up a random katana rather than pine for shusui?
Whitebeard was physically and mentally nerfed in marineford. Just because a character doesn't show named moves doesn't mean they don't have them.
Who do you cut off as the strongest high tier and weakest top tier to so confidently put Zoro on top tier status?
Well to be fair giving him fodder swords is less of a nerf than forcing a completely different weapon on him. But in any case if meitos didn't matter why does Zoro believe he needs 3 of them to be at his best and search out for better blades? Why not pick up a random katana rather than pine for shusui?
Whitebeard was physically and mentally nerfed in marineford. Just because a character doesn't show named moves doesn't mean they don't have them.
Who do you cut off as the strongest high tier and weakest top tier to so confidently put Zoro on top tier status?
Scythes made Killer stronger lol, you would know it if you knew anything about combat and physics.
Zoro doesnt believe that he needs 3 meitos, he believes he needs 3 swords to be at his best because he practices 3-sword style, not 3-meito style.
There was no random Katana around when he saw Shusui and the reason he picked it up is obvious, it has plot connection with Wano, current arc lol. You join noodles and Albino as another member for who storytelling is a long lost art.
Headcanon, show me named moves from Whitebeard? There is no clear line between high tiers and top tiers.
Current Zoro and EoS Zoro are barely any different which means he is already a top tier, he already has all he needs to be one.
What does next scene has to do with Zoro vs Killer, lmao? Even in next scene Killer is mentally fine, you dont even know why he is crying lol.
Scythes made Killer stronger lol, you would know it if you knew anything about combat and physics.
Zoro doesnt believe that he needs 3 meitos, he believes he needs 3 swords to be at his best because he practices 3-sword style, not 3-meito style.
There was no random Katana around when he saw Shusui and the reason he picked it up is obvious, it has plot connection with Wano, current arc lol. You join noodles and Albino as another member for who storytelling is a long lost art.
Headcanon, show me named moves from Whitebeard? There is no clear line between high tiers and top tiers.
Current Zoro and EoS Zoro are barely any different which means he is already a top tier, he already has all he needs to be one.
Scythes made Killer stronger lol, you would know it if you knew anything about combat and physics.
Zoro doesnt believe that he needs 3 meitos, he believes he needs 3 swords to be at his best because he practices 3-sword style, not 3-meito style.
There was no random Katana around when he saw Shusui and the reason he picked it up is obvious, it has plot connection with Wano, current arc lol. You join noodles and Albino as another member for who storytelling is a long lost art.
Headcanon, show me named moves from Whitebeard? There is no clear line between high tiers and top tiers.
Current Zoro and EoS Zoro are barely any different which means he is already a top tier, he already has all he needs to be one.
You want to talk about physics but think Zoro is on the same level or better than Luffy who can inflate his body to the size of a giant, which had greater hardness than steel before haki.
Someone ask Killer why he decided to use an inferior weapons on the Onigashima Raid
nik87 knows better than him about his own fighting style.Zoro searches out the best swords, stop ignoring One Piece, re-read it if you have to, not just the fight panels with Zoro.
We didn't have Roger's named moves till we did, you cannot prove a negative and a hectic war like Marineford where dialog space is precious was not a good place to list out the names, they are named in the games. Proof positive is Marco using a named attack against Big Mom's ship when he didn't use one during the war on panel.
If you say there is no clear line between high tiers and top tiers how are you putting someone as a top tier? Just say tiers don't matter at that point, which is fine to do, but don't arrogantly claim someone to be top tier in that case and then run away from defining it.
Waste of time explaining this any further. The tier definition is the only thing I want to carry on with, if the above hasn't convinced you, then I will let you carry on with your headcanon.
The thing is that Oda highlighted Sasaki and Who's Who strength making the two of them the only ones interested in challenging a calamity.
Thus they are going to fight a calamity (Queen or King since Jack is on the roof) or someone who needs to fight a calamity but won't be able to do so because we have just two commanders available (and being them commander level would solve this problem).
The ones who needs to fight a calamity level opponent are: Sanji, Zoro, Jinbe and maybe Killer at the very least.
And we should not forget that Queen wants to kill a Tobi Roppo, so I'm pretty certain he is going to fight at least one of them.
The last consideration is that Queen and King are going to fight at least a member of the strawhat crew
If Queen fights Sanji, the only Tobi Roppo i can see fighting along with Sanji is Drake, so:
1) Queen vs Sanji and Drake --> King vs Zoro and WsW
If Queen doesn't fight Sanji, he must still fight at least a Tobi Roppo. And since Sanji must fight King in this scenario (he is going to fight at least one between Queen and King), and Zoro won't fight Queen when Sanji fights one with such a sword :
2) Queen vs WsW and Jinbe --> King vs Sanji and Zoro
3) Queen vs Sasaki and Jinbe --> King vs Sanji and Zoro --> WsW vs Killer
If Zoro is going to join Luffy against Kaido, the best he can hope for (talking about 1 vs 1 or so) is a versus against WsW:
4) WsW vs Zoro --> Queen vs Sasaki and Jinbe --> King vs Sanji and Perospero/Drake
The only other possible matchup is:
5) Sanji, Zoro, WsW and Drake vs King and Queen
From the least probable to the most, since Sanji already clashed with King, imo:
1 < 3 < 2 < 5< 4 :cheers:
Sanji and Perospero vs King hype
Thus they are going to fight a calamity (Queen or King since Jack is on the roof) or someone who needs to fight a calamity but won't be able to do so because we have just two commanders available (and being them commander level would solve this problem).
The ones who needs to fight a calamity level opponent are: Sanji, Zoro, Jinbe and maybe Killer at the very least.
And we should not forget that Queen wants to kill a Tobi Roppo, so I'm pretty certain he is going to fight at least one of them.
The last consideration is that Queen and King are going to fight at least a member of the strawhat crew
If Queen fights Sanji, the only Tobi Roppo i can see fighting along with Sanji is Drake, so:
1) Queen vs Sanji and Drake --> King vs Zoro and WsW
If Queen doesn't fight Sanji, he must still fight at least a Tobi Roppo. And since Sanji must fight King in this scenario (he is going to fight at least one between Queen and King), and Zoro won't fight Queen when Sanji fights one with such a sword :
2) Queen vs WsW and Jinbe --> King vs Sanji and Zoro
3) Queen vs Sasaki and Jinbe --> King vs Sanji and Zoro --> WsW vs Killer
If Zoro is going to join Luffy against Kaido, the best he can hope for (talking about 1 vs 1 or so) is a versus against WsW:
4) WsW vs Zoro --> Queen vs Sasaki and Jinbe --> King vs Sanji and Perospero/Drake
The only other possible matchup is:
5) Sanji, Zoro, WsW and Drake vs King and Queen
From the least probable to the most, since Sanji already clashed with King, imo:
1 < 3 < 2 < 5< 4 :cheers:
Sanji and Perospero vs King hype
It shows Killer's mental state, eating a smile and being made into a laughing puppet for Orochi mentally destroyed him. 1+1=2, it's really not that complicated, I can't break it down any simpler for you.
You want to talk about physics but think Zoro is on the same level or better than Luffy who can inflate his body to the size of a giant, which had greater hardness than steel before haki.
Someone ask Killer why he decided to use an inferior weapons on the Onigashima Raidnik87 knows better than him about his own fighting style.
Zoro searches out the best swords, stop ignoring One Piece, re-read it if you have to, not just the fight panels with Zoro.
We didn't have Roger's named moves till we did, you cannot prove a negative and a hectic war like Marineford where dialog space is precious was not a good place to list out the names, they are named in the games. Proof positive is Marco using a named attack against Big Mom's ship when he didn't use one during the war on panel.
If you say there is no clear line between high tiers and top tiers how are you putting someone as a top tier? Just say tiers don't matter at that point, which is fine to do, but don't arrogantly claim someone to be top tier in that case and then run away from defining it.
Waste of time explaining this any further. The tier definition is the only thing I want to carry on with, if the above hasn't convinced you, then I will let you carry on with your headcanon.
You want to talk about physics but think Zoro is on the same level or better than Luffy who can inflate his body to the size of a giant, which had greater hardness than steel before haki.
Someone ask Killer why he decided to use an inferior weapons on the Onigashima Raid
nik87 knows better than him about his own fighting style.Zoro searches out the best swords, stop ignoring One Piece, re-read it if you have to, not just the fight panels with Zoro.
We didn't have Roger's named moves till we did, you cannot prove a negative and a hectic war like Marineford where dialog space is precious was not a good place to list out the names, they are named in the games. Proof positive is Marco using a named attack against Big Mom's ship when he didn't use one during the war on panel.
If you say there is no clear line between high tiers and top tiers how are you putting someone as a top tier? Just say tiers don't matter at that point, which is fine to do, but don't arrogantly claim someone to be top tier in that case and then run away from defining it.
Waste of time explaining this any further. The tier definition is the only thing I want to carry on with, if the above hasn't convinced you, then I will let you carry on with your headcanon.
If you want to be schooled at how OP combat works, bring it on. Wadatsumi is inflating himself to bigger than giant as well, big deal...
They just make themselves an even easier target for Zoro, lol. I didnt say Zoro is on same level as Luffy, I said he is above him. He never had better hardness than steel, drop the headcanons lol. Elementary school - steel>rubber when it comes to hardness.
Because Gyukimaru took his weapons away? I thought it was obvious. His fighting style didnt change with scythes lol.
Show me facts where Zoro is searching for best swords.
Whitebeard, unlike Roger, had a full arc of fights for himself and 0 named moves lmao. Kizaru and Akainu had no issue naming their attacks, smells like BS. Marco is getting a focus in another battle, Whitebeard isnt.
You look objectively at what the purpose of the character is, how his power progression works and you come to logical conclusion that Zoro is a top tier already. If you want more explanation watch it in my video - Why Zoro Is a Top Tier Already.
Tiers were always a flawed system, overlook of the character's abilities and their matches can tell you a lot more than loose tiers.
Hmmm....perhaps it had something to do with the latest chapter.
Or you know Sanji fighting King was the obvious choice.
.Or you know Sanji fighting King was the obvious choice.
Anyone really believing in Sanji vs King really hasn't understood how Oda writes story.
But I bet those guys also thought that Zoro would actually fight Fujitora back in Dressrosa ...
Exactly.
Kyoshiro was implied to be Orochi's strongest swordsman. Since he's no longer on their side I don't see any other Orochi/beast pirate samurai reaching his level.
King is the perfect opponent. Not only because he's a swordsman but because of his strength. Strength plays a major role in swordsmanship. Even if you have the ability to cut anything if you don't have the strength to push the cutting attack completely through the object the cut will fall short and you won't completely cut through the object. King being an ancient Zoan brings incredible strength to the battle.
Kyoshiro was implied to be Orochi's strongest swordsman. Since he's no longer on their side I don't see any other Orochi/beast pirate samurai reaching his level.
King is the perfect opponent. Not only because he's a swordsman but because of his strength. Strength plays a major role in swordsmanship. Even if you have the ability to cut anything if you don't have the strength to push the cutting attack completely through the object the cut will fall short and you won't completely cut through the object. King being an ancient Zoan brings incredible strength to the battle.
Smoothie is a complete non starter. Zoro has nothing to do with the Big Mom Pirates. What's the point in having him roam the country seeing the horrors of the Beast Pirates oppression then to fight someone that wasn't even slightly involved in it?
No, it has to be a Beast Pirate that Zoro fights. Orochi, an idea that was increasingly laughable as the arc went on, was totally shattered when Kaido lopped his head off. On the native Wano side, there's only Fujurokujo and Hotei, who are basically a step up from nobodies and to be frank don't cut it. I'd honestly expect them to be oneshot like Hyozou if they tried to fight Zoro.
As for what Beast Pirate- Zoro will play a role in defeating Kaido. I don't think Oda has been overly shy about foreshadowing that. When he got Oden's sword that was a guarantee he'll at the very least land a hit on Kaido. Tied with the Ryuma parallels and Zoro being placed along with Kid and Law in the past few chapters (other characters who will play a big role in defeating him), an increased focus on the Luffy/Zoro partnership throughout the arc, Zoro's links to Wano and its people- it's going to happen. The question then is how much of a role will Zoro have in the final fight with Kaido?
My thoughts prior to this chapter is that Zoro will defeat King, be totally fucked, land one big hit on Kaido and that'll be it. If I had to pick, that is still what I'd predict will happen, regardless of Sanji vs King this chapter. The absolute most I can see happening with Sanji and King is that Sanji plays backup to someone else landing the final blow on him. That someone could well be Zoro. I don't want this to happen, because to be frank I think it would suck for Sanji. King is the opponent who simply makes the most sense for Zoro, based on everything Oda has written in the past. Yes, we've yet to really see King use his sword- but we've yet to see him fight seriously at all. It's when the hybrids come out that we know the real fights are beginning, and that still looks to be a fair bit away.
Queen... I just don't see it. Queen just doesn't give me a Zoro fight-vibe. I can't really see what the point in Zoro fighting Queen would be, when King's around. A fight over a woman, Hiyori? That's the setup for a Sanji fight, not a Zoro one. Oda doing that instead of getting revenge for Udon for another character? Not seeing it.
The thing I can see, if Zoro vs King is not to happen, would be a quick fight with Who's Who before moving on to playing a large role in defeating Kaido. In which case I think Marco would be beating King, not Sanji. I'd rather this didn't happen- the knock-on effect of this would, I feel, essentially shaft most of the Strawhats. But it could happen, especially if what Oda is aiming for- and this wouldn't be much of a surprise- is a Worst Generation heavy finish.
No, it has to be a Beast Pirate that Zoro fights. Orochi, an idea that was increasingly laughable as the arc went on, was totally shattered when Kaido lopped his head off. On the native Wano side, there's only Fujurokujo and Hotei, who are basically a step up from nobodies and to be frank don't cut it. I'd honestly expect them to be oneshot like Hyozou if they tried to fight Zoro.
As for what Beast Pirate- Zoro will play a role in defeating Kaido. I don't think Oda has been overly shy about foreshadowing that. When he got Oden's sword that was a guarantee he'll at the very least land a hit on Kaido. Tied with the Ryuma parallels and Zoro being placed along with Kid and Law in the past few chapters (other characters who will play a big role in defeating him), an increased focus on the Luffy/Zoro partnership throughout the arc, Zoro's links to Wano and its people- it's going to happen. The question then is how much of a role will Zoro have in the final fight with Kaido?
My thoughts prior to this chapter is that Zoro will defeat King, be totally fucked, land one big hit on Kaido and that'll be it. If I had to pick, that is still what I'd predict will happen, regardless of Sanji vs King this chapter. The absolute most I can see happening with Sanji and King is that Sanji plays backup to someone else landing the final blow on him. That someone could well be Zoro. I don't want this to happen, because to be frank I think it would suck for Sanji. King is the opponent who simply makes the most sense for Zoro, based on everything Oda has written in the past. Yes, we've yet to really see King use his sword- but we've yet to see him fight seriously at all. It's when the hybrids come out that we know the real fights are beginning, and that still looks to be a fair bit away.
Queen... I just don't see it. Queen just doesn't give me a Zoro fight-vibe. I can't really see what the point in Zoro fighting Queen would be, when King's around. A fight over a woman, Hiyori? That's the setup for a Sanji fight, not a Zoro one. Oda doing that instead of getting revenge for Udon for another character? Not seeing it.
The thing I can see, if Zoro vs King is not to happen, would be a quick fight with Who's Who before moving on to playing a large role in defeating Kaido. In which case I think Marco would be beating King, not Sanji. I'd rather this didn't happen- the knock-on effect of this would, I feel, essentially shaft most of the Strawhats. But it could happen, especially if what Oda is aiming for- and this wouldn't be much of a surprise- is a Worst Generation heavy finish.
You are overcomplicating stuff
Zoro opponent is King, he's a swordsman who obviously have fire abilities wich Zoro want to cut and he is the second strongest antagonist this arc, and he also like to argue with Queen like Zoro argue with Sanji most of the time
we saw this with Mr1 and Mr2, and with Kaku and Jabra
Zoro and Sanji match ups are set in stone
They are alive for sure
Whether its a bad thing or a good thing depand on what role they will play
Zoro opponent is King, he's a swordsman who obviously have fire abilities wich Zoro want to cut and he is the second strongest antagonist this arc, and he also like to argue with Queen like Zoro argue with Sanji most of the time
we saw this with Mr1 and Mr2, and with Kaku and Jabra
Zoro and Sanji match ups are set in stone
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They are alive for sure
Whether its a bad thing or a good thing depand on what role they will play