What will be Oda vengeance if Sanji wins the world popularity poll ?


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Sanji has been talking about killing ever since his awakening..

Against S-Shark and the giant cat in Elbaph.. his feet are itching to kill someone and i think Sommers is the victim
Villian can wreck whole Country and shp let him Go with a slap on the wrist..killing is something for real Pirates Like the bbp
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I think it's a bit late for another flame color upgrade.
But since Oda decided to shove Gear 4th away, why not?
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With the flame upgrade I see it as more character progression for Sanji.
Wano was an arc of acceptance for Sanji, with him acknowledging the Vinsmoke side of himself and resolving himself to not allow himself to be controlled it and Oda titled that progression phase of Sanji's character "warrior of science" and Ifrit Jambe a combination of Sanji's original abilities and that scientifc side. Interestingly enough Ifrit Jambe is blue flames which is the hotest version of a flame scientifically possible but all of that is just one phase of Sanji's development. Since Egghead Oda's been going the "love" route with Sanji, so reckon we will probably get a transition for Sanji from "Warrior of Science" to "Warrior of Love" with PoL being the base and PoL will allow him to defy the limits of science and produce flames that are not scientifically possible :steef:

Is how I see Sanji's development going forward personally ^^
 
With the flame upgrade I see it as more character progression for Sanji.
Wano was an arc of acceptance for Sanji, with him acknowledging the Vinsmoke side of himself and resolving himself to not allow himself to be controlled it and Oda titled that progression phase of Sanji's character "warrior of science" and Ifrit Jambe a combination of Sanji's original abilities and that scientifc side. Interestingly enough Ifrit Jambe is blue flames which is the hotest version of a flame scientifically possible but all of that is just one phase of Sanji's development. Since Egghead Oda's been going the "love" route with Sanji, so reckon we will probably get a transition for Sanji from "Warrior of Science" to "Warrior of Love" with PoL being the base and PoL will allow him to defy the limits of science and produce flames that are not scientifically possible :steef:

Is how I see Sanji's development going forward personally ^^
I think the key for me was when Sanji started using Ifrit in base in Elbaph. This suggests that a flame upgrade is due.
 
You are the moron that decided to think it was about the number of chapters.
HURRR DURRR BUT SOME MID ASS CLOWN MANGA IS THAT LONG AS WELL BECAUSE IT'S JUST A BUNCH OF FIGHTS WITH SHITTY STORYLINE.

Who gives a shit?
WE talking about One Piece here.
And Post-TS was a drag.

He used boundman Against Doffy, THEN IT IMMEDIATELY got powercrept by Cracker. LMAO. Mofo didn't even beat 2 consecutive people with Boundman and already needed a new form.
Then, IMMEDIATELY needs Snakeman to beat Katakuri.

It's PU just for the sake of PU.
If you like it, be happy. Because that's what OP is all about now.
I think it sucks ass.

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I think you got the wrong idea about Luffy's different G4 forms. He came up with them during his 2-year training and Snakeman isn't a power-up comparatively to Boundman, it's just a speed-based form that favours speed over power. Boundman is actually more powerful, but just less efficient against an opponent like Katakuri, hence he needed to sacrifice power for speed. Same with Tankman, it's not better than Boundman. All forms essentially count as the same PU, it's just about adapting to the opponent, just like G2 and G3 in Enies lobby. But Boundman is still overall the most optimal form, which is why it's the only one he used against BM and Kaido.

And I don't think G4 was "powercrept" against Cracker, he's just a bad matchup for physical brawlers because of his crazy defense, Snakeman would have been even less effective against him. Imo it never made sense to put him above Doflamingo, who is the much smarter and versatile fighter, in addition to having CoC and Awakening. DB logic doesn't work with One Piece.

We’re never getting Rankyaku man

That dream is dead
 
I think the key for me was when Sanji started using Ifrit in base in Elbaph. This suggests that a flame upgrade is due.
Given it's only been shown 3 times, I definitely don't think Sanji is about to get an upgrade to Ifrit so much as an alternative.

He's more likely to get an additional flame, and perhaps with CoC adding a variant to one or more of his flames. Ifrit is like G4 for Sanji atm, only he's used it way less.

 
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Doggo

Talent is something you make bloom.
With the flame upgrade I see it as more character progression for Sanji.
Wano was an arc of acceptance for Sanji, with him acknowledging the Vinsmoke side of himself and resolving himself to not allow himself to be controlled it and Oda titled that progression phase of Sanji's character "warrior of science" and Ifrit Jambe a combination of Sanji's original abilities and that scientifc side. Interestingly enough Ifrit Jambe is blue flames which is the hotest version of a flame scientifically possible but all of that is just one phase of Sanji's development. Since Egghead Oda's been going the "love" route with Sanji, so reckon we will probably get a transition for Sanji from "Warrior of Science" to "Warrior of Love" with PoL being the base and PoL will allow him to defy the limits of science and produce flames that are not scientifically possible :steef:

Is how I see Sanji's development going forward personally ^^
I liked how the Ifrit Jambe thing was handled as well.
What I dont like is the lack of versatility from Oda to develop it.

Add new flame tricks.
Add new properties.
One thing I liked during Queen fight, is that he used Ifrit on both legs. This formula of only lighting one leg on fire is old. Both legs on fire (not just the feet) is much cooler.


But I don't like the "easy way out" of just using yet another color. Would make ifrit feel more like a filler upgrade.
 
I think the key for me was when Sanji started using Ifrit in base in Elbaph. This suggests that a flame upgrade is due.
The key isn't hotter flames imo, just greater kicking power reflected by a new colour. That's why I like the idea of black flames, they can just be an amped version of DJ/IJ that looks visually different because of CoC. Black flames at the core with an orange/blue flame-shaped aura around the black flames to visually indicate whether he uses DJ or IJ and make it clear he just adds CoC to kick harder.
 

Doggo

Talent is something you make bloom.
There's no "might" any more. It's not something you can doubt.
He's getting ACoC this arc, the question is, against who?
Not yet.
I want the haters to come gloating about Sanji not getting it this arc.
I want Chrono to come back here and gloat "told y'all"
I want to give them hope.
Then, and only then, against the BBP matchup, I want Sanji to unlock it.
When they are at their safest place, on the highest pedestal, that's when I want it to come crumbling down.
We don't think small here.:pepebusi:
 

Not yet.
I want the haters to come gloating about Sanji not getting it this arc.
I want Chrono to come back here and gloat "told y'all"
I want to give them hope.
Then, and only then, against the BBP matchup, I want Sanji to unlock it.
When they are at their safest place, on the highest pedestal, that's when I want it to come crumbling down.
We don't think small here.:pepebusi:
 
Not yet.
I want the haters to come gloating about Sanji not getting it this arc.
I want Chrono to come back here and gloat "told y'all"
I want to give them hope.
Then, and only then, against the BBP matchup, I want Sanji to unlock it.
When they are at their safest place, on the highest pedestal, that's when I want it to come crumbling down.
We don't think small here.:pepebusi:
Ehhhh I have a different opinion that stems from my extreme dislike of haki progression rather than haki itself

I feel like Luffy’s the only character that’s been allowed to gradually progress his haki. Thats actually where the complaints came from when Zoro and Sanji instantly shot to YC1/YC+

Luffy grew in his fight against Katakuri where he was forced to hone his CoO -> in Wano he had another bloom where he gained access to emission and internal destruction and spent time trying to master it in Udon prison -> after losing to Kaido multiple times he bloomed again and finally gained access to ACoC -> lost again and finally hit sky splitting levels

That’s not even mentioning that with CoC itself Luffy gained access to it pre timeskip and used the basic version at will for hundreds of chapters. Even Zoro who’s a strictly haki based fighter got nothing until Wano

I want Sanji to eventually tap into the more advanced applications of CoC but if he’s gonna do it at all I want it to feel natural. The BBP fight will likely take place right before the Final War begins. That isn’t enough time for the progression to feel normal

I’d say Elbaf is already pretty late in the game but it’s salvageable at the very least
 
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