Controversial Be smart and quit One Piece OR admit you love it

K!NG HARA$H!MA

Hustlerversity Graduate
I don't know why people think worstgen is so toxic

I mean I have been here when WCI happened and I found this forum more chill compared to what it was during that time.

So, if people feels threatened by present situation then I don't think they could have survived WCI worstgen spoiler discussions or perhaps I became thick skinned lmao
WCI finished- 2018
This forum started - 2019

#Caught You
 
Sure, then tell me, where are all the positive thread praising One Piece ? Or analysing how good it is?

I mean, if there was positivity like you said, there should be at the very least an equal amount of positivity that we can see for the negative, wouldn't you agree?

So where is it?
Why haven’t/aren’t you makin them? You have almost 16,000 messages on tha forum in about 5 years. Which is bout 9 posts a day….everyday, Monday-Sunday, without missin a day for 5 years straight. Where are your multitude of threads praising and supporting One Piece?

You make a whole thread and stink boutta criticism Obe Piege gets. But won’t take your own time to make threads supporting and praising it. You won’t even be tha change you wanna see smh
 

K!NG HARA$H!MA

Hustlerversity Graduate
Ahh

Well then it was Oro Jackson but most of us anyway had been there as well before we got purged
I mean second half of WCI was just badd...


Big Mom shouting wedding cake 24/7

Sanji busy baking whilst people expect him to fight..

Katakuri endlessly hitting Luffy torture porn


It was the start of casual/big fans turning into serial haters
 

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Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
I mean second half of WCI was just badd...


Big Mom shouting wedding cake 24/7

Sanji busy baking whilst people expect him to fight..

Katakuri endlessly hitting Luffy torture porn


It was the start of casual/big fans turning into serial haters
Actually all I remember is how every week it was about Luffy fans and Sanji fans going at each other

And, how shipping thread became more of battle ground for them as well.

Coupled it with what you said then I don't think I have seen the worstgen anywhere near that level

It's more chill tbh
 
Actually all I remember is how every week it was about Luffy fans and Sanji fans going at each other

And, how shipping thread became more of battle ground for them as well.

Coupled it with what you said then I don't think I have seen the worstgen anywhere near that level

It's more chill tbh
We have gotta have a whole chunk of toxicity missing compared to OJ since no one here gives a crap about shipping. Lmao.
 
Sure, then tell me, where are all the positive thread praising One Piece ? Or analysing how good it is?

I mean, if there was positivity like you said, there should be at the very least an equal amount of positivity that we can see for the negative, wouldn't you agree?

So where is it?
Read the chapters' thread. Blax Blah made a thread saying OP is one of the best piece of literature of all time.
Lots of thread are made to discuss theories, powerscaling and the story which means people are invested in the story.

There is no need for a thousand threads saying Oda is the best mangaka and writer of all time to see positive things about OP.
Taste is a social construction mate
How does that contradict the fact that people have different taste or opinions. Also I have read La distinction by Bourdieu, you have not. Is this a who has a bigger dick thread?
Everyone is allowed to speak about X of course, but when what is said about X start to destroy the very purpose of the fabric of the understanding of X, speaking with the contextual and technical understanding of X starts to become a necessity.

Do you know what I mean?

The only one here who are against accessibility are you guys. By stripping away the tools to understand properly X within its narrative and social context through trashtalking and social pressure, you remove the possibility for yourself and your social environment to critically analyze X, both for good and for bad.

This works with One Piece like any other things. This is why a big tool for reactionnary movements is to strip away the culture from its depth.

Removing the depth or denying the depth of X will eventually strip away the conscious of X, letting everyone expose either to X or tthe propaganda against X. And I'm not only talking about One Piece anymore.
You are again confirming that you want to control what people say about OP and you can't even see it.
It's funny how you act like you pretend to have a better reading comprehension than everybody, yet you don't understand your own words.
You keep saying people opinion depends on their social background and environment, yet you can't see that what you're advocating for comes from authoritarian government and ideologies.

This place is safe. Proof is you can keep saying you want to make a dictatorship of this place and there is no consequence for you. If it wasn't, you'd be gone a long time ago.

I'll say it again, you can't deal with people having a different opinion. It's just that. You want us to worship Oda, I don't worship anybody. You want eveybody to say OP is great, yes it is for me and for you and for other people, but not for everyone obviously. And it's fine.
 
My criticism of One Piece is that Oda loves to nerf characters to avoid full scale fights.
- Whitebeard
- Big Mom
- King (turned his flame off)
- Imu
- Katakuri vs Luffy was amazing. But he should not have let Luffy escape, etc

Other than this, I mostly like One Piece except some pacing issues.
Love what Oda is doing in Elbaf, especially Harald, Rocks, Loki, and Imu (lore drop).

The problem is that you will start writing essays why the above listed characters are best written characters EVER not only in manga, but any other form of creative expression. :suresure:
 
I've seen two extremes of territorialism at play here.

1) People who experience dissatisfaction with the community often end up making a call to action for less negativity.
- This can be seen as being willful of the space. I've done it too, but we're not entitled to a safe space.

2) People who feel they are veterans often make harsh criticism of the story and expect others to be "vibe-checked" before they speak.
- This can be seen as a form of border patrolling where the veterans dog-pile on people who don't share their negative views.

The happy middle-ground with that is that both groups should stop acting entitled to the space.
 
I don't know why people think worstgen is so toxic
It is not. You have a couple people that worships Oda and a couple that hates his guts. And both these groups thinks their opposite side are the main component of Worstgen.

The truth is there are plenty of people that meet in the middle, talk about powerscaling, the recent events,the future of OP, make theories, etc...
You have threads about other mangas, other topics, etc...
Worstgen is not toxic at all. Except for people that never learnt that it was okay for other people to have different opinion because they think their opinions are facts.
 
Which is bout 9 posts a day….everyday
To be fair I remember multiple times having to hold 1v15 discussions at a rate of 3 message a minute.

The good ol Nakama thread dayz

:pepepopcorn:

I still don't understand how my mind can hold such motivation to write here and can't even push me to boil down water

Where are your multitude of threads praising and supporting One Piece?
Why haven’t/aren’t you makin them?
Deleted. I don't want to push more energy than needed on a place that doesn't care about their own rules anymore. Plus, I can't be the only one pushing the train. Gladly people are starting to realize how much positivity is really needed here lately. The thread of Blax is such example. I believe positivity will find a way.. well unless this forum doesn't implode before that. #crash

I don't know why people think worstgen is so toxic

I mean I have been here when WCI happened and I found this forum more chill compared to what it was during that time.

So, if people feels threatened by present situation then I don't think they could have survived WCI worstgen spoiler discussions or perhaps I became thick skinned lmao
People (and I include myself) became so insensibilized to toxicity, we shouldn't find this environment okay. It's possible to have fun without trashing others other the story for no reasons really.

I mean second half of WCI was just badd...


Big Mom shouting wedding cake 24/7

Sanji busy baking whilst people expect him to fight..

Katakuri endlessly hitting Luffy torture porn


It was the start of casual/big fans turning into serial haters
And here I was... thinking that people finally managed to understand how bad and copypasted these critics were

But it seems like people didn't grow up :Linlin_Slept:


It was the start of casual/big fans turning into serial haters
You don't say... This is also the time where I started to denounce the problem of global toxicity in the fanbase.

Strange... right?

:nicagesmile:


Actually all I remember is how every week it was about Luffy fans and Sanji fans going at each other

And, how shipping thread became more of battle ground for them as well.

Coupled it with what you said then I don't think I have seen the worstgen anywhere near that level

It's more chill tbh
I'm glad I stayed out of forums at the time. I could have created a big mess.




Read the chapters' thread. Blax Blah made a thread saying OP is one of the best piece of literature of all time.
Lots of thread are made to discuss theories, powerscaling and the story which means people are invested in the story.
Mate.. i've been talking about the problem for 4 years. Do you think that 1 thread can make a difference ? Also, I took Blax's thread into consideration in the balance. This is why I defended it so much. But it's not enough and the point stands.

There is no real positive thread, at best you get theories, not what we could find back in the days with analysis and actual awe.

Of course you will get a gem once in a while, but for one gem, you will get 200 trashtalk and this is without taking into account the answer of each thread. You need to wake up on the reality of this fanbase (not just the forum). Negativity is everywhere, its becoming the defaut preset.


There is no need for a thousand threads saying Oda is the best mangaka and writer of all time to see positive things about OP.
Who said that?

It's not about dickriding Oda at the first occasion, being a fan simply means appreciating the little things that the story brings, creating analysis, building project around the story, trashtalking of course, creating an effervescence around the material, developping groups of discussion, going beyond the medium, creating new fan stories, appreciating the culture arround the media, staying fresh on its understanding and its critic of course.

BUT

The only thing this of the fanbase seems to do now, is trashtalk. When it's not trashtalking people who write analysis, it's trashtalking people who theorize. When its not directed on theorizers it's trashtalking people expressing their love for the story, when it's not the story, it's people who love certains characters, when it's not about characters, it's between powerscaling agenda, when it's not about people between agenda, it's against new fans or other fanbase.

We fell so deep into the rehearsal of self-centered anticulture trashtalk and memification that people are now trashtalking the trashtalkers in order to be considered the winners of trashtalkers. The One Piece fanbase (or rather, the internet fandom culture) is becoming a self-feeding loop of toxic desilusion structured by the trashtalk culture.

Yes, trashtalking is fun. But it's destructive.


How does that contradict the fact that people have different taste or opinions. Also I have read La distinction by Bourdieu, you have not. Is this a who has a bigger dick thread?
Good for you. I didn't need to read this book to understand the social reality of taste. Didn't even know it existed.

My point is the following : The hatred of One Piece is socially constructed. Meaning that environment like worstgen can create a social pressure for people to adopt a negative vision of the story. Negative vision that - I know for a fact - can also be influenced by the material condition of the reading.

You don't have to agree, but this is my stance on the matter.


You are again confirming that you want to control what people say about OP and you can't even see it.
You are full of moral panic.


You keep saying people opinion depends on their social background and environment, yet you can't see that what you're advocating for comes from authoritarian government and ideologies.
lol


This place is safe. Proof is you can keep saying you want to make a dictatorship of this place and there is no consequence for you. If it wasn't, you'd be gone a long time ago.
I was banned 1 month for denouncing a fascist rethoric. And transphobia is still unmoderated on this forum. Calm down now.
Let's not transform this thread into a real political thread.

Unless your goal is precisely to remove and invisibilize it from the One Piece section.. in which case... go ahead..

:ohreally:


I'll say it again, you can't deal with people having a different opinion. It's just that.
Perhaps. But does this make me wrong about the situation tho?

:beanmean:


The problem is that you will start writing essays why the above listed characters are best written characters EVER not only in manga, but any other form of creative expression. :suresure:
2 Questions

- Why do you equate a nerf with bad writing ?

- Do you consider whitebeard being sick and thus not being at one hundred % on marineford a bad thing... or a good thing ?

Depending on your answers I will have a different essay coming.

:pepepopcorn:


but we're not entitled to a safe space.
We are. Society to be stable and peacefull requires all people to be and feel safe. Anything else is a free for all

"L"ogiko treats WG as if it's one of the worst places on Earth meanwhile his ass would be already banned in OJ for posting half the shit he's doing here lol. OJ mods were on a massive powertrip.
Perhaps. But I'm not advocating for an authoritarian moderation, I advocating for a more inclusive and more positive system. Nothing similar to OJ or reddit.

I actually want to keep positivity AND negativity. I simply want the system to prioritize the first in order for the fanbase to grow and strive.

Worstgen is not the worstplace, its just an EXAMPLE of what I'm talking about. I fought for Worstgen because I believed the moderation had the wits to create something hybrid, something punchy, something edgy, something political, something punk. SOmething that would be both inclusive, positive and highly critical aware. A place for people to read One Piece, to learn about storytelling AND to politicize on the side.

I've said it before , I wantED worstgen to hold up to its name. I expected a bit too much, that's true. But this is what happens what you hold illegitimate expectations. You get disappointed.
 
To be fair I remember multiple times having to hold 1v15 discussions at a rate of 3 message a minute.

The good ol Nakama thread dayz

:pepepopcorn:

I still don't understand how my mind can hold such motivation to write here and can't even push me to boil down water



Deleted. I don't want to push more energy than needed on a place that doesn't care about their own rules anymore. Plus, I can't be the only one pushing the train. Gladly people are starting to realize how much positivity is really needed here lately. The thread of Blax is such example. I believe positivity will find a way.. well unless this forum doesn't implode before that. #crash


People (and I include myself) became so insensibilized to toxicity, we shouldn't find this environment okay. It's possible to have fun without trashing others other the story for no reasons really.


And here I was... thinking that people finally managed to understand how bad and copypasted these critics were

But it seems like people didn't grow up :Linlin_Slept:



You don't say... This is also the time where I started to denounce the problem of global toxicity in the fanbase.

Strange... right?

:nicagesmile:



I'm glad I stayed out of forums at the time. I could have created a big mess.





Mate.. i've been talking about the problem for 4 years. Do you think that 1 thread can make a difference ? Also, I took Blax's thread into consideration in the balance. This is why I defended it so much. But it's not enough and the point stands.

There is no real positive thread, at best you get theories, not what we could find back in the days with analysis and actual awe.

Of course you will get a gem once in a while, but for one gem, you will get 200 trashtalk and this is without taking into account the answer of each thread. You need to wake up on the reality of this fanbase (not just the forum). Negativity is everywhere, its becoming the defaut preset.



Who said that?

It's not about dickriding Oda at the first occasion, being a fan simply means appreciating the little things that the story brings, creating analysis, building project around the story, trashtalking of course, creating an effervescence around the material, developping groups of discussion, going beyond the medium, creating new fan stories, appreciating the culture arround the media, staying fresh on its understanding and its critic of course.

BUT

The only thing this of the fanbase seems to do now, is trashtalk. When it's not trashtalking people who write analysis, it's trashtalking people who theorize. When its not directed on theorizers it's trashtalking people expressing their love for the story, when it's not the story, it's people who love certains characters, when it's not about characters, it's between powerscaling agenda, when it's not about people between agenda, it's against new fans or other fanbase.

We fell so deep into the rehearsal of self-centered anticulture trashtalk and memification that people are now trashtalking the trashtalkers in order to be considered the winners of trashtalkers. The One Piece fanbase (or rather, the internet fandom culture) is becoming a self-feeding loop of toxic desilusion structured by the trashtalk culture.

Yes, trashtalking is fun. But it's destructive.



Good for you. I didn't need to read this book to understand the social reality of taste. Didn't even know it existed.

My point is the following : The hatred of One Piece is socially constructed. Meaning that environment like worstgen can create a social pressure for people to adopt a negative vision of the story. Negative vision that - I know for a fact - can also be influenced by the material condition of the reading.

You don't have to agree, but this is my stance on the matter.



You are full of moral panic.



lol



I was banned 1 month for denouncing a fascist rethoric. And transphobia is still unmoderated on this forum. Calm down now.
Let's not transform this thread into a real political thread.

Unless your goal is precisely to remove and invisibilize it from the One Piece section.. in which case... go ahead..

:ohreally:



Perhaps. But does this make me wrong about the situation tho?

:beanmean:



2 Questions

- Why do you equate a nerf with bad writing ?

- Do you consider whitebeard being sick and thus not being at one hundred % on marineford a bad thing... or a good thing ?

Depending on your answers I will have a different essay coming.

:pepepopcorn:



We are. Society to be stable and peacefull requires all people to be and feel safe. Anything else is a free for all


Perhaps. But I'm not advocating for an authoritarian moderation, I advocating for a more inclusive and more positive system. Nothing similar to OJ or reddit.

I actually want to keep positivity AND negativity. I simply want the system to prioritize the first in order for the fanbase to grow and strive.

Worstgen is not the worstplace, its just an EXAMPLE of what I'm talking about. I fought for Worstgen because I believed the moderation had the wits to create something hybrid, something punchy, something edgy, something political, something punk. SOmething that would be both inclusive, positive and highly critical aware. A place for people to read One Piece, to learn about storytelling AND to politicize on the side.

I've said it before , I wantED worstgen to hold up to its name. I expected a bit too much, that's true. But this is what happens what you hold illegitimate expectations. You get disappointed.
Whatever dude. You're not changing this place and if you're in charge, one day, I'll just leave or get banned because I had a different opinion than Logiko who knows everything better than anybody else lol when he doesn't even know where his own ideas come from.

You know why you were banned, everybody knows.

That's a shit ton of words to just say "think like or don't think at all".

You're a dictator who can't even see it. Which is more dangerous than a dictator who is aware that he is one. Because you think you're doing things for a greater good when you're only doing things for your own interest.

I'd ask you to please not answer me because I won't talk to you on this thread anymore but I know you don't respect other people, their feelings or their opinions, so you can actually answer with some more stalinian rhetoric.
 
I remember being a kid or teen and loving THAT story. My favorite thing at the time.. Early internet, MSN, I remember discovering that I was not alone!

Roleplaying on the web or theorizing for days on my notebook during class. Discussing about it with my friend every school lunch break. Waiting patiently for the next big release in the movie theatre or the journal.

Stars in my eyes, my entire bookshelf full of random protected magazines, drawers and boxes of all sizes full with cereal goodies... Bored to bleed and scrapping all the TV programs I could find in the quest for any little news about my treasure. I remember recording them on VHS and DVD in fear to lose them forever. I remember my friends bringing me all the new stickers they could find. Stickers they had found in the malls. Figurines found in the attic. I remember collecting images and posters, all painting my entire room stuffed with the most meaningless things about the story I loved.

I was not wondering if what I was consuming was good.. or bad, I would have all the time to understand this later. I was simply living excited days after days. Waiting each minute for the new reveal. I remember all these nights listening to the OST in loops until my CD were so scratched that I could not even read them after a thousand blow.

I just wish the young could be able to experience that too. Not the nostalgia, just the wonder of being able to experience a story without having adults in their hears or eyes on their screens telling them H24 just how MID their favorite thing really is.

We have a responsability to keep the dream alive as a fanbase. But it's perhaps a little bit too much to ask.


Whatever dude. You're not changing this place and if you're in charge, one day, I'll just leave or get banned because I had a different opinion than Logiko who knows everything better than anybody else lol when he doesn't even know where his own ideas come from.
I'm not expecting for a change and I don't want to be in charge, don't worry. you are simply being baited by a random obsessive poster.

You know why you were banned, everybody knows.
Yup. I know. Just told you.


You're a dictator who can't even see it. Which is more dangerous than a dictator who is aware that he is one. Because you think you're doing things for a greater good when you're only doing things for your own interest
I think the most triggering thing in this sentence is the affirmation that I'm not aware of what I want to create.. You might think you are free to "think what you want", but you are not. You are following the flow that is created and allowed by this environment like anyone else. Even I am following this flow to some extent. i'm just trying my hardest to go the other way and not be influenced too much.

What I advocate is simply delimiting the river differently, that's all. Nothing more. If you call that control, yes it is. But we are both fighting for it, I'm not alone :)

I'd ask you to please not answer me because I won't talk to you on this thread anymore but I know you don't respect other people, their feelings or their opinions, so you can actually answer with some more stalinian rhetoric.
You are seriously asking me to respect your opinion after calling me a dictator?

:snoopy:



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