I am against more coal it pollutes too much but nuclear is not perfect too. Nuclear is quite cheap and doesn't produce CO2 but the cost to destroy one nuclear station is extremely high, they can be dangerous. And the nuclear garbage won't disappear for a long long long time, we have to hide them into the ground or in places, not the best solution.
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For now I agree, but building more and more nuclear plants is not the solution. In France we use nuclear at 90% for electricity and it works well for us for a long time. But nowadays we hesitate and think about other solutions : the costs to clean and adapt old nuclear plants is extremely high and other problems too (the too old ones etc)
That... Is a common misconception of those who are not in the business.
You can say that a lot of the energy you personally generate comes from renewables - but no one mentions what you import. Germany who's been most successful in the EU when it comes to getting rid of coal mines switched to importing more and more coal from other countries. So it pollutes just as much, you simply mine it at a different place.
Which is bad for two reasons:
1) You're not energy independent, which at times of crises will become a huge problem because without import you won't be able to provide electricity for your whole nation and
2) That coal still has to be mined elsewhere and burned - so again the whole process is still on the planet, doesn't matter if it's position A or position B.
Their decision to be independent from all this and get their own energy generated was the right one.
Now, nuclear energy is perhaps the only thing which will become sustainable in the future, so about this I'm very excited. But that's a long way to go, since most are closing their nuclear plants atm, with France being the exception in Europe since they don't have much else.
You can say that a lot of the energy you personally generate comes from renewables - but no one mentions what you import. Germany who's been most successful in the EU when it comes to getting rid of coal mines switched to importing more and more coal from other countries. So it pollutes just as much, you simply mine it at a different place.
Which is bad for two reasons:
1) You're not energy independent, which at times of crises will become a huge problem because without import you won't be able to provide electricity for your whole nation and
2) That coal still has to be mined elsewhere and burned - so again the whole process is still on the planet, doesn't matter if it's position A or position B.
Their decision to be independent from all this and get their own energy generated was the right one.
Now, nuclear energy is perhaps the only thing which will become sustainable in the future, so about this I'm very excited. But that's a long way to go, since most are closing their nuclear plants atm, with France being the exception in Europe since they don't have much else.
I work in this industry, so these kinds of things are really sore for my eyes. 
Renewable energy is not clean - the shit you need to generate renewable energy - namely all the rare metals for it - pollute way more as they themselves need to be mined and prepared.
Renewable energy is not clean - the shit you need to generate renewable energy - namely all the rare metals for it - pollute way more as they themselves need to be mined and prepared.
New ways of disposal will be found. But renewable is way to go either way
And that's why Germany and other countries that import coal are switching to renewable. It just aint effective or beneficial to import so much or use it.
Yea that's true. But even then it is still better than Coal energy that is destroying the planet
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Not really. No Energy source is perfect. But renewable compared to coal is much safer
Less pollution, indefinite production, stable energy prices, better health and safety
And that's why Germany and other countries that import coal are switching to renewable. It just aint effective or beneficial to import so much or use it.
Yea that's true. But even then it is still better than Coal energy that is destroying the planet
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Not really. No Energy source is perfect. But renewable compared to coal is much safer
Less pollution, indefinite production, stable energy prices, better health and safety
Environmentalism is a great concept but with mixed results.
You could think of so many alternatives that will pollute less only for it to be the opposite. It’s like how e-cigars are just as bad as normal cigarettes because the vapor still burns in your lungs.
I’d like for a cleaner planet, but it’s going to be a while until we can get a happier medium.
You could think of so many alternatives that will pollute less only for it to be the opposite. It’s like how e-cigars are just as bad as normal cigarettes because the vapor still burns in your lungs.
I’d like for a cleaner planet, but it’s going to be a while until we can get a happier medium.
You're not listening: they import coal because they cannot survive with just renewable. No one can.
No, it's not better, dude. It all has to be mined and processed - it ends up being worse.
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Truer words were never spoken.
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Ok, I maybe derailed the thread, many apologies
No, it's not better, dude. It all has to be mined and processed - it ends up being worse.
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Truer words were never spoken.
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Ok, I maybe derailed the thread, many apologies
You're not listening: they import coal because they cannot survive with just renewable. No one can.
No, it's not better, dude. It all has to be mined and processed - it ends up being worse.
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Truer words were never spoken.
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Ok, I maybe derailed the thread, many apologies
No, it's not better, dude. It all has to be mined and processed - it ends up being worse.
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Truer words were never spoken.
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Ok, I maybe derailed the thread, many apologies
It's why the Germany and other european countries rejecting nuclear energy only to come back to coal made me laugh.
There is no fallacy - money and business make the world go around. That is currently the most appealing business.
But in the meantime in the UN you have panic discussions about how we're going to reuse all those rare metals we need somehow. I've been and it's how it is.
And media brainwashing isn't helping as well, this is similar to how pollution panic was told about the ozone hole. And now you don't see that mentioned anymore because? It isn't an issue. It was just misconception.
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Oh I wasn't even going to mention the cost of renewable energy. The cost alone shows how hard it is to generate energy that way. You're 100% correct.
I HOPE nuclear energy - or rather its waste - will be handled better soon
But in the meantime in the UN you have panic discussions about how we're going to reuse all those rare metals we need somehow. I've been and it's how it is.
And media brainwashing isn't helping as well, this is similar to how pollution panic was told about the ozone hole. And now you don't see that mentioned anymore because? It isn't an issue. It was just misconception.
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Oh I wasn't even going to mention the cost of renewable energy. The cost alone shows how hard it is to generate energy that way. You're 100% correct.
I HOPE nuclear energy - or rather its waste - will be handled better soon
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