General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet
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lol this entire war is personal to her since their tribe was ransacked by members of the Beast Pirates. She's just personally remarking that in this current battle, Pedro's death was the driving force for her eventual understanding. It's not gonna happen immediately, like we said. We knew she was going to understand. It's what she does with that knowledge that determines where she moves in the story.
I'll admit that with this chapter, Carrot's chances as a SH candidate are in a much more precarious state. On the one hand, she's finally taking on Peros and showing off a lot more of what she can do in battle. On the other hand, it's currently in her hax Sulong form, with Wanda who appeared out of nowhere, and away from everyone else. One of those three factors needs to change before the needle can move back in her favor.
It's a lot different from just being temporarily out of the picture. Carrot always had the chance to pop back into the foreground when needed. The issue now is the same as when Pedro was still around: she's still an active part of the Mink group with a lot of senior members above her. She naturally falls in line behind them when they're around. She's had just one feat on her own and in service to the SHs: the first Sulong transformation. If she can't break free from the shadow of the other Minks, she has a much harder case against her.
But here's the main takeaway: Carrot knows that there's a reason Pedro gave his life, yet she still doesn't know what that reason is. Pedro said Carrot would come to understand why the Straw Hats needed to survive over himself. Carrot still has that connection with the crew, and there's still time and opportunity for her to put it all together for herself.
It's a lot different from just being temporarily out of the picture. Carrot always had the chance to pop back into the foreground when needed. The issue now is the same as when Pedro was still around: she's still an active part of the Mink group with a lot of senior members above her. She naturally falls in line behind them when they're around. She's had just one feat on her own and in service to the SHs: the first Sulong transformation. If she can't break free from the shadow of the other Minks, she has a much harder case against her.
But here's the main takeaway: Carrot knows that there's a reason Pedro gave his life, yet she still doesn't know what that reason is. Pedro said Carrot would come to understand why the Straw Hats needed to survive over himself. Carrot still has that connection with the crew, and there's still time and opportunity for her to put it all together for herself.
Yeah, I was wrong about Carrot starting off in base and eventually going Sulong. I personally don't like she's doing this off the gate since Sulong is a double edged sword of a form, especially against an adversary like Perospero who can drag out a fight with candy. Hopefully she overcomes these limits and does something that helps her push forward. Or else she's kinda screwed unless the battle gets interrupted by something at the last minute.
Big Mom isn't going down this arc anyways. She's next after Kaido.
Big Mom isn't going down this arc anyways. She's next after Kaido.
It's as personal as any of the Straw Hats who are third party members in it. The main connection she has with this war is that her people were attacked by them, so by proxy, they initiated conflict with the Mink Tribe, so now they are retaliating. This is also excluding the fact that Dukes are personally involved in this war. They are 2 of the 9 "shadows" in Toki's prophecy. And in Oden's flashback when he returned after sailing with Roger, Oden remarked that the Minks were indeed strong and that they should seek them if the need arises.
She has no personal grudge against Kaido like Momo, the Scabbards, Yamato, or Tama (outside of ransacking their homeland). She's just acting on behalf of her people. Though she does seem to have beef with the Big Mom Pirates and specifically Perospero. Maybe the conflict gets resolved here, maybe it doesn't. But as I said, Linlin ain't going down this arc.
She has no personal grudge against Kaido like Momo, the Scabbards, Yamato, or Tama (outside of ransacking their homeland). She's just acting on behalf of her people. Though she does seem to have beef with the Big Mom Pirates and specifically Perospero. Maybe the conflict gets resolved here, maybe it doesn't. But as I said, Linlin ain't going down this arc.
What I’m trying to say is this. I get the straw hats deal with her personal grudge against an enemy that affect there own personal life. The straw hats aren’t focusing on big Mom right now at least. They are focusing on taking down Kaido some his subordinates. Through act one and act two wano carrot basically push to the background or sideline in comparison to the other straw hats through out wano. She hasn’t been certain Focus of this arc in comparison previous straw hats before her. Even in the previous arcs it didn’t certain around as character. She still feels previous like support character
1. Zoro- captain Morgan arc
2. Nami -orange town arc and arlong park
3. Ussop- captain Kuro arc
4. Sanji- baritte arc and whole cake island
5. Chopper-drum island
6. Robin-alabasta, water 7 and enies lobby
7. Franky- water 7 and Enies lobby
8. Brook- thriller bark
9. Jinbei-fishman island and whole cake island.
I don’t believe big mama gonna go down this ard either. I have no idea what fate Perosparro going be. Weather they win or lose is hard to figure it out.
1. Zoro- captain Morgan arc
2. Nami -orange town arc and arlong park
3. Ussop- captain Kuro arc
4. Sanji- baritte arc and whole cake island
5. Chopper-drum island
6. Robin-alabasta, water 7 and enies lobby
7. Franky- water 7 and Enies lobby
8. Brook- thriller bark
9. Jinbei-fishman island and whole cake island.
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I don’t believe big mama gonna go down this ard either. I have no idea what fate Perosparro going be. Weather they win or lose is hard to figure it out.
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That's because outside Jack, she didn't have a personal grudge against Kaido like the Dukes did. They have more history with not only him, but Wano as a whole. Just saying she feels like a side character doesn't mean she'll stay in that same position. The goal post always shifts in regards to Carrot to describe her presence in the plot when, as we've said before, you don't know why she does the things she does so far and what is happening now can give us better direction. We said before that she feels irrelevant because nothing she does independently moves the narrative. She's done things on her volition that plots where she goes from here.
You think Oda just brought a character along to do nothing but being a buffer to Chopper, or to hype Sulong, or to "give Chopper ideas for a powerup," or being fanservice? He overall keeps her in the story doing things because her was never clearly established. She's an independent variable doing her own thing until the story brings it to attention.
Also, Jinbe was first featured in Impel Down, participated in Marineford, and was on Amazon Lily helping Luffy recuperate. He was a side character in all those arcs, but he was a more prominent and significant side character. That's the difference.
You think Oda just brought a character along to do nothing but being a buffer to Chopper, or to hype Sulong, or to "give Chopper ideas for a powerup," or being fanservice? He overall keeps her in the story doing things because her was never clearly established. She's an independent variable doing her own thing until the story brings it to attention.
Also, Jinbe was first featured in Impel Down, participated in Marineford, and was on Amazon Lily helping Luffy recuperate. He was a side character in all those arcs, but he was a more prominent and significant side character. That's the difference.
Luffy did say something when seeing minks they look like army chopper take that as will. It’s does lend toward Possibilities of chopper learning similar abilities and that are relative to the minks. Jinbei was first introduced impel down which is true. Impel down we saw how incredible resourceful, voice reason for him as character and as well helping him out of government prison. In marineford you have him be most protective of his well being, helping him escape and post marineford voice of reason again. Fishman island arc that certain around him as character. In terms his own backstory. Luffy directly asking him join his crew. In Whole cake island leave his former crew behind and leaving forming organizations in work in order support someone else goal as we’ll achieve his own. He also shown other Instant of being a voice of reason for luffy. As well showcasing his role on the ship. You could also carrot be more flesh out alongside with other characters. Instead you don’t serious conversation Oda put background with the rest minks. While straw hats causing trouble and commotion throughout wano. Carrot could been with luffy, sanji, and Jinbei fighting alongside with them. If jack were show up if it was show up being patch up. We could also see Jinbei and carrot team up against jack. Maybe Insight from carrots perspective on what she went through when Jack had arrived into zou. Possible learning how she grow up in environment close off rest world like wano.
That's only if you take Luffy's claim of them being just like Chopper on the surface level and say they are not interesting characters in their own right. Look at how he and his crew reacted after the Minks revealed they knew Raizo was on Zou this entire time and that they lied to the Beast Pirates even after getting tortured and gassed and their home country being razed to the ground. That's a clear distinction from just viewing them as walking, talking animals. Also, no, Chopper can't learn Electro, because you don't "learn" it, you have it. It's an ability, not a fighting style. They incorporate their ability with their fighting style, but one can't learn to use abilities inherent of another race. Chopper doesn't turn berserk looking at the full moon because he's from a different race altogether. I've explained this enough to Garp many times. Take it how you will.
I intend Oda to justify Carrot's presence. We've said it many times. She had no reason to go to WCI, she wasn't even required. Oda put her in the story for seemingly no reason. Now we're getting closer to realize why she had to go there. If it was that irrelevant, then he wouldn't have done anything in regards to her and might not have even bother included her to begin with.
Also, can you please make your points a bit more coherent. Its hard to understand what you write.
I intend Oda to justify Carrot's presence. We've said it many times. She had no reason to go to WCI, she wasn't even required. Oda put her in the story for seemingly no reason. Now we're getting closer to realize why she had to go there. If it was that irrelevant, then he wouldn't have done anything in regards to her and might not have even bother included her to begin with.
Also, can you please make your points a bit more coherent. Its hard to understand what you write.
Robin and Franky they had arc certain them as characters. We also talking about characters have significant ability revolve around Electricity in terms Fighting capabilities.
Carrot wasn’t certain Focus within that flashback so she was more like on the background side of things rather than a major character
She just doing neko and inu when they when younger stowaway someone else ship.
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Carrot wasn’t certain Focus within that flashback so she was more like on the background side of things rather than a major character
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She just doing neko and inu when they when younger stowaway someone else ship.
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Yeah, and so did Carrot, and so did Dogstorm, Cat Viper and all the other Minks. Their physical traits and abilities don't factor into their worth as characters. And if you think Luffy still dismisses them on some level for being animal-like or Chopper-esque, after everything that's happened, then I honestly don't know what to tell you.
Carrot didn’t have arc certain around her as character. In fact through zou she barley had dialogue worth noting about her we character. The only thing we saw her of is clashing with zoro and jump capabilities as mink. The minks who did most talking pedro, Wanda, neku, and inu. Carrot still feels like support among them barley made conversation get into her character where she coming as person.
Think about she doesn’t have an in-depth backstory with her as a character in comparison to previous straw hats. Actually she actually hasn’t had a serious conversation with the Main Captain himself what she wants do with her life. I get jack made the minks suffer poisoned gas from Caesar own weapon. You didn’t get from carrot perspective from what she went through at that at the time. The only thing carrot showing tragic backstory which is current going in current on storyline going right now.
You tell me carrot what been wano lately? Act 3 Not much worth mentioning beside cheering Jinbei arrival and hug him being on the ship. Eaisy being capture big mom’s homies. Going with Wanda to fight against Perosparro that’s it.
Act 1 reunite kinemon and luffy
Act 2 with the minks.
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You tell me carrot what been wano lately? Act 3 Not much worth mentioning beside cheering Jinbei arrival and hug him being on the ship. Eaisy being capture big mom’s homies. Going with Wanda to fight against Perosparro that’s it.
Act 1 reunite kinemon and luffy
Act 2 with the minks.
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Please, can you make this more coherent? If you're saying she was a minor part on the destruction of Zou flashback, then yeah, because its a recollection of events, ending in the defeat of the Mink Tribe.
Also, Inu and Neko stowing away, while very similar to Carrot, isn't a reason why she's just journeying with them.
Also, Inu and Neko stowing away, while very similar to Carrot, isn't a reason why she's just journeying with them.
From her Perspective she always wanted to go out to sea. She wasn’t in a situation where she predicament that she couldn’t get out. She could gone any time she wanted. Neku and inu set sail on there own land in wano.
In Zou she was intrigue were luffy was going.
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In Zou she was intrigue were luffy was going.
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In Carrots defense she was entirely more relevant than half the strawhats for 80 chapters. Now she is gaining relevance again. In all fairness, we have to see how the Perospero stuff plays out. We have no idea if he'll gain the upper hand and take out Wanda, leaving Carrot as the focus, or a small flashback with Pedro is done.
Right now there isn't much to be said, but she IS gaining relevance in the arc and everyone here has to admit that because prior half the thread said she won't encounter Pero or she won't do anything to him.
Right now there isn't much to be said, but she IS gaining relevance in the arc and everyone here has to admit that because prior half the thread said she won't encounter Pero or she won't do anything to him.
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