Spoiler One Piece Chapter 997 Spoilers Discussion

[Igor_akainu_redog]

You don't agree with all three point? That Sanji and Jimbei simply said theyare escorting Luffy and that Oda is making it a point to show Zoro's wanting to go to the roof more that Sanji and Jimbei and that the power scaling works better if Zoro fight kaido first.

You don't agree with ANY OF THIS? You realise some of this isn't even opinins. Its just facts in the story

Yeah, i dont agree that zoro wanting to be there means something, lots examples can be Said of SH wanting something and dont getting It. Hes against 2 younko and their crew, more than never ANYONE wanting something should mean nothing, If Queen wants to hold zoro he Will, zoro wont Win against Queen without a hard diff, and thats only One soldier that Can stop him from getting what he "wants"...

Dont agree that zoro fights kaido First makes more sense at ALL, for me would be more amazing after zoro Win a dificcult fight and and learn more about Emma in that fight and then Join the fight with kaido already damages, his allies already damaged, kaido killing or hurting his allies than he getts posses and give a ABSURDLY damage in kaido or even KILL him.

So yeah, i disagree with your order of events, but dont say its IMPOSSIBLE like you Tell Mine is. And still think that the matchs of Franky, nami, usopp , Chopper and Brook wont be any F6.

 

[Krusher1357]

You can trust me bby...

Idk bby grill, my head been messed with b4

 

[Yoru]

Because I could be the guy who thought Mihawk is YC4 and believe that Zoro won't fight him at all after becoming his student, for example. I see how these things connect, but I also see many other possibilities that render such position about Mihawk potentially irrelevant.

Yeah like if mihawk got killed by shiryu n zoro take the revenge to shiryu. That will be more interesting story i think

 

[bennbeckman]

Ok if u say so :cheers:

hahaha touche

 

[Krusher1357]

Does Sanji really beat Zoro in combat speed? The only speed feats Sanji have that are impressive are a bunch of sneaks. Meanwhile Zoro has blitz the likes of Hyouzou (who blocked a G2 Jet Pistol Pre-Drugged), Killer, and if the image is anything to go by Apoo. I'll give Sanji the tip of the hat in terms of movement speed, but Sanji isn't getting shit else from me in the speed category.

I dare to say zoro has the potential to be faster than sanji when it comes to iai moves other speed blitz techniques but as an overall average sanji has much higher speed

 

[BangOO🍅]

summary out

 

[Krusher1357]

Yeah like if mihawk got killed by shiryu n zoro take the revenge to shiryu. That will be more interesting story i think

Defs more interesting especially after mihawk trained the guy

 

[Igor_akainu_redog]

Yc1 is a fanmade thing. It means nothing.

No its not, its the main comander of a younko. And everyone that dont like to read forums or be in the fandom knows what the main soldiers of every yonko is. Even for captains or other vilains is easy to see whos their right hand Man. And Shriryu bis BB right hand Man.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Off topic but I'm rereading Skypiea and High West is totally on Elbaf's tree.

Sincerely think we are getting more than just a "Giant" arc when we get there. Elbaf is Fable backwards, and I do expect it to be the last "hurrah" Oda gives in terms of adventure for his series.

Edit: the fact that Oda hasnt even explained these 'other' routes to me sounds like he wants to touch in them eventually. Its clear Urogue and his crew can do it, since they witnessed Kaido (a flyer) jump off of one.

 

[Walreyn]

summary out

Wjere

 

[HA001]

No its not, its the main comander of a younko. And everyone that dont like to read forums or be in the fandom knows what the main soldiers of every yonko is. Even for captains or other vilains is easy to see whos their right hand Man. And Shriryu bis BB right hand Man.

Yes it is. Show me where it says yc1 in the manga.

 

[Krusher1357]

Wjere

In BangMi's ass

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Queen wants to hold zoro he Will

No Zoro will tell Marco to fight Queen.

Marco is right there. WHy would he not do anything?

ABSURDLY damage in kaido

So you mean Zoro after an Extreme diff fight is still >>>>>>>> ALl the scabbards combined when four of the scabbards are around Commander level?

And Extremely tired Zoro is above four commander level people?

And its funny how you say "A character wants something but Oda doesn't just give them what they want" but when Who's who says he wants to fight a commander you immeditely say WHo's WHo is likely commander level. Because ODa just made him commander level just because he said he wanted it.

See how your own argument works here

 

[bennbeckman]

Whereeeeeee

Post automatically merged: Nov 26, 2020

@Lance_Dragonite do we have a summary from The Great One aka you

 

[Krusher1357]

No Zoro will tell Marco to fight Queen.

Marco is right there. WHy would he not do anything?

So you mean Zoro after an Extreme diff fight is still >>>>>>>> ALl the scabbards combined when four of the scabbards are around Commander level?

And Extremely tired Zoro is above four commander level people?

And its funny how you say "A character wants something but Oda doesn't just give them what they want" but when Who's who says he wants to fight a commander you immeditely say WHo's WHo is likely commander level. Because ODa just made him commander level just because he said he wanted it.

See how your own argument works here

Have you seen how many people rate WW at least YC3 level 😂

 

[Gauntlet]

I dare to say zoro has the potential to be faster than sanji when it comes to iai moves other speed blitz techniques but as an overall average sanji has much higher speed

The best speed feat he has is against Oven and even then he sneaked Oven when he wasn't looking. I personally don't have Sanji that much higher in terms of speed than Zoro. Unlike Zoro's CoA and strength, Sanji don't have those feats under his belt that I can latch on with certainty that Zoro can't keep up with.

 

[Igor_akainu_redog]

Yes it is. Show me where it says yc1 in the manga.

Hur dur, its not about be writedz its about be the main fighter of a yonko,capitain or whathever you want...

Katakuri is main
King is the main
Ben beckman is the main
Shriryu is the main
Marco is the main
Zoro is the main


Etc etc

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

This is a very good point, but Oda went out of his way to say that Kaido is unkillable

Oda also went out of his way to say that all kind of weapons broke trying to pierce through him yet you simply need an ability that has been spammed throughout Wano and has been shown by quite a good amount of characters.

So how strong is zoro when 4 scabbards sulong inu denjiro doji and kinemon combined couldnt open the scar ?

It depends on the context in which Zoro opens the scar, what attack he uses or to what extent he'd only need to excel in attack power, for example, but I'd put him around YC1+ by the end of Wano (using concepts popular among here, although I'm not the biggest fan of them).

How strong do you think I think Zoro is?

It seems you are mistaking me for some one else. You seem to know how strong i think Zoro is. Tell me then.

And no, this is happens to Zoro more than the rest of the strawhats. it was literally a meme at one point that Oda likes nerfing Zoro pre time skip when he fights his final opponet and its supposedly a complaint for Zoro specifically that he dominates too much post time skip.

If this was universal then neither the meme nor the complaints would be spcific to Zoro

I don't know how strong you think Zoro is. Personally I have him around YC1 right now (or a bit under that with progress during his fight) because I think he will face and defeat King as his main versus this arc.

Sanji defeated Arlong's number 2 after being beaten up underwater because he tried to save Luffy, was defeated by Kalifa before taking Jabra down, had to protect Nami while facing Absalom..., for example (not trying to raise a ZvsS debate here). I highly doubt there's such thing as "Oda nerfing Zoro pre-timeskip because he's too strong" as "Oda doing what he likes to do in order to enrich the events", to be honest.

Then the obvious question would be is "" WHo is his benchmark and how strong is he"

See, Zoro is a very uque character in this regard as we know for a fact how strong he should be EOS. Even Luffy is just vaguely "pirate king level" EOS and we don't actually know how strong that is. So everytime you scale Zoro, it must make sense according to that benchmark. If you are in the crowd of, Shanks is a haki man and Fujitora and Big mom aren't pure swordsmen so the real WSS is SHiryu (even though he also has a df) then its clear. Zoro's final form is around YC1-admiral level. And so from there we start Scaling backwards.

It goes on and On. you can;t scale Zoro properly without having an idea in your mind of how strong the current WSS is.

"Pirate King level" is clearly above anything we'd put in the top tier, not really that vague. The moment Oda drew Roger and Whitebeard clashing without even touching should have been the final nail in the coffin.

I believe Zoro and Sanji will be top tiers by end of series minimum, both under the tier belonging to their captain, and I don't really need Mihawk's level to establish so, only Luffy's.

 

[BangOO🍅]

ToC for this week WSJ isn't leaked yet.

 

[Krusher1357]

The best speed feat he has is against Oven and even then he sneaked Oven when he wasn't looking. I personally don't have Sanji that much higher in terms of speed than Zoro. Unlike Zoro's CoA and strength, Sanji don't have those feats under his belt that I can latch on with certainty that Zoro can't keep up with.

My main basis for this is his reaction speed and movement speed, his attack speed is kinda lacking but zoro is all things attack so that makes sense to me