Chapter Discussion One Piece Chapter 954: Like Giving Wings to a Dragon
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Killer and Kid are partners and childhood friends. Zoro and Luffy have something of a brotherly relationship (Luffy even hugged Zoro the same way he hugged Sabo at the beginning of the arc). And Zoro does respect duels, but if Luffy or the other crew mates are in danger, he’ll interfere. Plus there’s no way Luffy is gonna 1v1 Kaido.
And you’re still going on about Zoro vs Orochi? Look up Momonosuke’s sword. Susano’o killed the Yamata no Orochi with it in Japanese mythology. Orochi has the Yamata no Orochi fruit. And he’s weak as shit. And Enma was hyped for scarring Kaido. Why would Kaido be used to hype one of Zoro’s swords if it wasn’t gonna be put to the test? I know, Zoro said he’d make Orochi pay...but Yasu suggested that the only reason Orochi took over Wano was because of Kaido and the Beast Pirates. Yasu was even more concerned about Kaido as Orochi was shooting him.
And you’re still going on about Zoro vs Orochi? Look up Momonosuke’s sword. Susano’o killed the Yamata no Orochi with it in Japanese mythology. Orochi has the Yamata no Orochi fruit. And he’s weak as shit. And Enma was hyped for scarring Kaido. Why would Kaido be used to hype one of Zoro’s swords if it wasn’t gonna be put to the test? I know, Zoro said he’d make Orochi pay...but Yasu suggested that the only reason Orochi took over Wano was because of Kaido and the Beast Pirates. Yasu was even more concerned about Kaido as Orochi was shooting him.
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since the alliance have to go against two crews at the same time.
Sulong form are gonna be very important. Inu and Neko are so strong enough to hold themselves agains YC without the sulong form so i assume their forms will be very very strong . I expect one of them fight against Kaido the other against BM. my dream teams against the kaido and BM.
Kaido vs Luffy & Law & Zoro & Ashura Doji & Inu (Sulong form)
BM vs Luffy & Kid & Sanji& Neko& Denjiro & (Sulong form)
King vs Marco
Queen vs X-Drake & Franky & Chopper & Kiku
Jack vs Jinbe & Kawamatsu
Smoothie vs some of WB priates commanders (Jinbe possible too )
Perospero vs Carrot & Wanda (Sulongs forms)
Numbers vs giants of the strawhat grand fleet
Flyings six vs Mink squads leaders (sulongs forms)
Apo vs Brook & Killer
Orochi vs Kyoshiro & Kinemon & Kanjuru
Fukurokuju vs Raizo
Ninjas vs Nami & Shinobu & Robin etc
headliners vs rest of the strawhats , Law crew , Kid's crew
Sulong form are gonna be very important. Inu and Neko are so strong enough to hold themselves agains YC without the sulong form so i assume their forms will be very very strong . I expect one of them fight against Kaido the other against BM. my dream teams against the kaido and BM.
Kaido vs Luffy & Law & Zoro & Ashura Doji & Inu (Sulong form)
BM vs Luffy & Kid & Sanji& Neko& Denjiro & (Sulong form)
King vs Marco
Queen vs X-Drake & Franky & Chopper & Kiku
Jack vs Jinbe & Kawamatsu
Smoothie vs some of WB priates commanders (Jinbe possible too )
Perospero vs Carrot & Wanda (Sulongs forms)
Numbers vs giants of the strawhat grand fleet
Flyings six vs Mink squads leaders (sulongs forms)
Apo vs Brook & Killer
Orochi vs Kyoshiro & Kinemon & Kanjuru
Fukurokuju vs Raizo
Ninjas vs Nami & Shinobu & Robin etc
headliners vs rest of the strawhats , Law crew , Kid's crew
No it really doesn't. It = Human.
Those two things are completely unrelated. Never giving up on your dreams is one thing but asking the character to never show emotions or cry about anything ever and remain completely stoic at all times is something else entirely. Again, you're essentially asking the character to stop being a human.
Thinking that "not crying" makes you tough is the mentality of a child. Shanks literally says this to Luffy.
Those two things are completely unrelated. Never giving up on your dreams is one thing but asking the character to never show emotions or cry about anything ever and remain completely stoic at all times is something else entirely. Again, you're essentially asking the character to stop being a human.
Thinking that "not crying" makes you tough is the mentality of a child. Shanks literally says this to Luffy.
No it really doesn't. It = Human.
Those two things are completely unrelated. Never giving up on your dreams is one thing but asking the character to never show emotions or cry about anything ever and remain completely stoic at all times is something else entirely. Again, you're essentially asking the character to stop being a human.
Thinking that "not crying" makes you tough is the mentality of a child. Shanks literally says this to Luffy.
Those two things are completely unrelated. Never giving up on your dreams is one thing but asking the character to never show emotions or cry about anything ever and remain completely stoic at all times is something else entirely. Again, you're essentially asking the character to stop being a human.
Thinking that "not crying" makes you tough is the mentality of a child. Shanks literally says this to Luffy.
What you are referencing and quoting is in a completely different context and something that Luffy has no influence on.
His brother died, he has to be sad, cry, and move on, you have to accept your defeat when it is appropriate.
But these two gave up, they were confronted with a seemingly overwhelming power (and especially in Sanji´s case, there are also logical fallacies), and got their spirit broken and cried as a result.
I am not asking them to stop being human, i am asking them to stop despairing and crying like a bitch.
Thats literally what happened to Luffy after Marineford. He gave up on becoming Pirate King and cried after his loss. Both at Saboady and at Marineford. Part of the message of the story is that it's ok to fail or give up as long as you're willing to try again. Which Sanji did. He reached a breaking point and his crew helped him overcome it.
No that is exactly what you're doing.
I'm well aware of what you're doing. This is just a thinly veiled attempt at mocking Sanji for crying.
No that is exactly what you're doing.
I'm well aware of what you're doing. This is just a thinly veiled attempt at mocking Sanji for crying.
On Kaido, the Yonko. Not a fodder enemy or small time enemy. Yonko are hardcore man, you can't keep senses around them. Doesn't make him a bitch or anything.
Luffy is like that with anyone in his crew, he has no favoritism on who more important, all of them all. They are like his second family all together. True he come in to help if needed, but again Luffy can't reach and prove himself if he can't learn to defeat a Yonko more himself than others doing work for him. He stated he be one to take out Kaido and promise Momosuke, don't think Oda contradict himself on him not doing it. If he does need support, I could see Kidd and Law probably by his side to fight him off in the end, but still be Luffy besting him in the end.
Hey, Oda is pushing for the fight more. Zoro isn't one to let go of vengances. It been shown time and again like with Ohm hurting Chopper and he got him back. Momosuke is still a kid, doubt he can be insane in sword skills even with his Smile Fruit. Orochi still got that real and powerful DF, Mythical Zoan.
Don't think Oda would waste the fruit if he was that 'weak'. Thinking it be Zoro majorly in fight while allowing Momosuke getting the final blow perhaps. Probably wear it's going, but just a hunch.
Actually it was 2 of swords that scarred him. Idk how effective it be with 1 blade. It wouldn't make sense Zoro can surpassed or equal as Oden to do it too. That be too much of a boost for him hurting a Yonko like that. We see how plot goes, but don't have high hopes Zoro be able to go on that lol knowing how careful Oda naturally power scale on characters.
If so, why Oda pushing it for to be them? Also to waste a Mythical Zoan DF for a fodder enemy? Don't think Oda will be wasteful on that. He is good on making it seems characters are not stronger as they look before surprising us later. Just saying.
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Luffy is like that with anyone in his crew, he has no favoritism on who more important, all of them all. They are like his second family all together. True he come in to help if needed, but again Luffy can't reach and prove himself if he can't learn to defeat a Yonko more himself than others doing work for him. He stated he be one to take out Kaido and promise Momosuke, don't think Oda contradict himself on him not doing it. If he does need support, I could see Kidd and Law probably by his side to fight him off in the end, but still be Luffy besting him in the end.
Hey, Oda is pushing for the fight more. Zoro isn't one to let go of vengances. It been shown time and again like with Ohm hurting Chopper and he got him back. Momosuke is still a kid, doubt he can be insane in sword skills even with his Smile Fruit. Orochi still got that real and powerful DF, Mythical Zoan.
Don't think Oda would waste the fruit if he was that 'weak'. Thinking it be Zoro majorly in fight while allowing Momosuke getting the final blow perhaps. Probably wear it's going, but just a hunch.
Actually it was 2 of swords that scarred him. Idk how effective it be with 1 blade. It wouldn't make sense Zoro can surpassed or equal as Oden to do it too. That be too much of a boost for him hurting a Yonko like that. We see how plot goes, but don't have high hopes Zoro be able to go on that lol knowing how careful Oda naturally power scale on characters.
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If so, why Oda pushing it for to be them? Also to waste a Mythical Zoan DF for a fodder enemy? Don't think Oda will be wasteful on that. He is good on making it seems characters are not stronger as they look before surprising us later. Just saying.
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the chapter blew my mind and how much alike this forum seems to Oro too, kudos and thank you!
since sanji can t fight head on
Late, but I thought it was a really good chapter. There was so much going on. The first thing that was good is that Oda definitely isn’t drawing things out. This chapter ran the span of multiple days, and it doesn’t look like we have terribly far to go until we start the war.
It was awesome to see Luffy training, it reminded me of the scene with Garp and Chinjao, how Garp boasted about cracking mountains to train to beat Chinjao. It looks like he’s getting the hang of the advanced CoA too, judging by those perfectly circular dents he’s leaving in the steel. Luffy’s busy training with advanced CoA and people think that Zoro, who’s far, far weaker than Luffy is going to just critically injure Kaido because of a sword. Smh.
The scene with Zoro, Hiyori, and Kawamatsu was funny mainly because Zoro giving zero context to his statements, Kawamatsu thinking he’s a nut job, and Hiyori ignoring Kawamatsu. Though I guess Kawamatsu hasn’t put together that Zoro and the others are actually subordinate to Luffy, as he asked Hiyori if she could trust Zoro. Wouldn’t have questioned it if he had known.
My boy Law beat the shit out of Hawkins, took his hands and legs from him. I was solid before the chapter that Hawkins was going to join the alliance, and then was a little shaky with the spoilers, but then the chapter reinforced that he would join the alliance based on his statements. The very first thing Hawkins did when he met up with Luffy was tell Luffy his chance to live through Wano. Hawkins basically implied in he chapter that if there was any other way to live, he wouldn’t have joined him. He knows that Luffy has a decent chance to live, so he could look at joining the alliance as a way of getting out from under Kaido. Hawkins also props up Kid and Killer a bit, describing how they fought against Kaido. Also shows a difference between Kaido and Whitebeard, both keeping high-spirited guys, the former likes to break them and the latter likes to cultivate them.
The guy in the shadows was obviously Drake. So Drake and Hawkins will both be in the alliance. The more of the Supernova that join, the less chance there is for Zoro to even stand in front of him. Also, Apoo is going to get rolled, it seems.
The panel with everybody gathered together was great aesthetically. Cool to see everyone back together again, we’re just really missing Luffy (though I know that Franky is down at the shipyard). He shouldn’t be to much longer to arrive. Noticed how Robin is holding on to Toko, must be giving Nami pointers when it’s time for Nami to hold her own daughter Tama lol
The Kaido - Big Mom alliance was a twist but I don’t think it lasts. I think one of them accidentally hits the other during the war and then they turn into enemies and it becomes the free-for-all. Pretty hilarious to see the drunk as hell though. The Numbers are also interesting, it’s about time we see who those things were behind Thriller Bark. I have no idea who the hell is going to fight them.
Anyway, really good chapter. Almost to the climax of Wano!
It was awesome to see Luffy training, it reminded me of the scene with Garp and Chinjao, how Garp boasted about cracking mountains to train to beat Chinjao. It looks like he’s getting the hang of the advanced CoA too, judging by those perfectly circular dents he’s leaving in the steel. Luffy’s busy training with advanced CoA and people think that Zoro, who’s far, far weaker than Luffy is going to just critically injure Kaido because of a sword. Smh.
The scene with Zoro, Hiyori, and Kawamatsu was funny mainly because Zoro giving zero context to his statements, Kawamatsu thinking he’s a nut job, and Hiyori ignoring Kawamatsu. Though I guess Kawamatsu hasn’t put together that Zoro and the others are actually subordinate to Luffy, as he asked Hiyori if she could trust Zoro. Wouldn’t have questioned it if he had known.
My boy Law beat the shit out of Hawkins, took his hands and legs from him. I was solid before the chapter that Hawkins was going to join the alliance, and then was a little shaky with the spoilers, but then the chapter reinforced that he would join the alliance based on his statements. The very first thing Hawkins did when he met up with Luffy was tell Luffy his chance to live through Wano. Hawkins basically implied in he chapter that if there was any other way to live, he wouldn’t have joined him. He knows that Luffy has a decent chance to live, so he could look at joining the alliance as a way of getting out from under Kaido. Hawkins also props up Kid and Killer a bit, describing how they fought against Kaido. Also shows a difference between Kaido and Whitebeard, both keeping high-spirited guys, the former likes to break them and the latter likes to cultivate them.
The guy in the shadows was obviously Drake. So Drake and Hawkins will both be in the alliance. The more of the Supernova that join, the less chance there is for Zoro to even stand in front of him. Also, Apoo is going to get rolled, it seems.
The panel with everybody gathered together was great aesthetically. Cool to see everyone back together again, we’re just really missing Luffy (though I know that Franky is down at the shipyard). He shouldn’t be to much longer to arrive. Noticed how Robin is holding on to Toko, must be giving Nami pointers when it’s time for Nami to hold her own daughter Tama lol
The Kaido - Big Mom alliance was a twist but I don’t think it lasts. I think one of them accidentally hits the other during the war and then they turn into enemies and it becomes the free-for-all. Pretty hilarious to see the drunk as hell though. The Numbers are also interesting, it’s about time we see who those things were behind Thriller Bark. I have no idea who the hell is going to fight them.
Anyway, really good chapter. Almost to the climax of Wano!
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