Future Events Justice Opposes Freedom - Why Only the World Government are Fit to be the Final Villains
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Yeah, Luffy = freedom, WG = order. However, in order to become the freest man, he has to overcome the Yonko. The EOS main villains are Blackbeard and Im. Given Akainu is just the outer face and worth less than zero according to the Gorosei, I doubt he will play a major role, but rather will be handled by other characters of the alliance.
Blackbeard is opposite to luffy's character but he is also a stepping stone.
Luffy's dream is to become a pirate king. bB would be the one with whom he will clash for it and will become PK. But his purpose won't end there.
Because the reason Luffy wants to become PK is not to become strongest pirate but because he thinks being PK means someone who has freedom.
This will put him in direct clash with World government after he will learn about void century and how freedom has been oppressed by the World Government.
Thus, it's the world government who stands opposite to Luffy in terms of his dreams and ideology making them as final Villains and rightly so.
Luffy's dream is to become a pirate king. bB would be the one with whom he will clash for it and will become PK. But his purpose won't end there.
Because the reason Luffy wants to become PK is not to become strongest pirate but because he thinks being PK means someone who has freedom.
This will put him in direct clash with World government after he will learn about void century and how freedom has been oppressed by the World Government.
Thus, it's the world government who stands opposite to Luffy in terms of his dreams and ideology making them as final Villains and rightly so.
Good thread. I disagree with it, but good thread.
Okay, so we get the main theme of the series from Roger in chapter 100.
“These things cannot be stopped.
An inherited strength of will
one’s dreams
the ebb and flow of the ages
as long as people hunger for freedom...
...these things will exist”
The drive for freedom being what pushes mankind towards achieving dreams, and a mutual destiny (not in a necessarily prophetic sense but in the sense of the overall purpose of mankind.)
Is Justice, as a concept, opposed to freedom? No. Control, slavery, oppression, is opposed to freedom. Justice is its own thing entirely. People (pirates and marines alike) have their own sense of what justice is. That’s why you can have a free Marine like Garp, and an authoritarian, dictatorial pirate like Kaido. Even Luffy has his own sense of what is ”just”- there’s no such things as the sins of the father, nobody deserves to be laughed at after they die, so on. It’s no coincidence that the big justice speech in the series was delivered, in the middle of a war between pirate and marine, by a pirate who himself is a despotic Celestial Dragon king. Themes aren’t clear-cut and divided between Pirate and Marine. Kuzan’s quest for justice is involving him leaving the Marines, Smoker’s plotline is all about questioning what is just and him teaming up with Luffy time and time again.
The opponents of freedom aren’t the World Gov, per se. Note what Koala said before the Reverie:
”You’re fighting the World Government for the sake of the fish-men. Don’t you feel at all conflicted about the Ryugu Kingdom taking part in the Reverie?”
”Not at all, Betty! Our true foe isn’t actually the World Government, it’s the Celestial Dragons who control it.”
The Celestial Dragons aren’t even slightly interested in what is just or not, because they, for the most part, consider themselves gods. I doubt Charloss could even spell justice.
As for the question of final opponent- how exactly does that rule out a pirate?
The theme, as you say, is freedom. Now, there’s two ways you can approach an enemy that reflects that. You can go one who does not believe in freedom, and exemplifies slavery- the World Gov.
Or you can go the other way- what abuses can the concept of unfettered freedom bring about? That’s how we get to Blackbeard, a man who lives completely free, follows his dreams, has inherited Rock’s will, is pushing mankind in an inexorable tide towards a world of anarchy. Blackbeard lives free as a bird. That’s why he lies, cheats, murders and wrecks his way through the world. What if a man like that was to then take control of the world? That’s final villain material.
Take note of what we know from Rocks.
He was a D
He gathered a collection of incredibly powerful, dangerous pirates under his command
He operated out of Pirate Island
He went after the secrets of the world
He wanted to be King of the World
In the end, both Pirate and Marine had to team up, defending Celestial Dragons in the process, to defeat him, Roger’s greatest enemy.
Now Blackbeard
Is a D
Gathered a collection of powerful, dangerous pirates (Impel Down Raid)
Operates out of Pirate Island
Is interested in researching the ancient history of the world
Named his flag ship after Rocks
Wants to be Pirate King, declares it his era
Everything points towards Blackbeard wanting to do what Rocks did. If he can get a way to put his fat ass on the throne to declare himself King of the World, with his first policy being that there are no laws whatsoever, then you’ve got a final villain. If Rocks can be a threat that manages to unite Roger, the Marines and the Celestial Dragons, you can bet Blackbeard will go one better.
Okay, so we get the main theme of the series from Roger in chapter 100.
“These things cannot be stopped.
An inherited strength of will
one’s dreams
the ebb and flow of the ages
as long as people hunger for freedom...
...these things will exist”
The drive for freedom being what pushes mankind towards achieving dreams, and a mutual destiny (not in a necessarily prophetic sense but in the sense of the overall purpose of mankind.)
Is Justice, as a concept, opposed to freedom? No. Control, slavery, oppression, is opposed to freedom. Justice is its own thing entirely. People (pirates and marines alike) have their own sense of what justice is. That’s why you can have a free Marine like Garp, and an authoritarian, dictatorial pirate like Kaido. Even Luffy has his own sense of what is ”just”- there’s no such things as the sins of the father, nobody deserves to be laughed at after they die, so on. It’s no coincidence that the big justice speech in the series was delivered, in the middle of a war between pirate and marine, by a pirate who himself is a despotic Celestial Dragon king. Themes aren’t clear-cut and divided between Pirate and Marine. Kuzan’s quest for justice is involving him leaving the Marines, Smoker’s plotline is all about questioning what is just and him teaming up with Luffy time and time again.
The opponents of freedom aren’t the World Gov, per se. Note what Koala said before the Reverie:
”You’re fighting the World Government for the sake of the fish-men. Don’t you feel at all conflicted about the Ryugu Kingdom taking part in the Reverie?”
”Not at all, Betty! Our true foe isn’t actually the World Government, it’s the Celestial Dragons who control it.”
The Celestial Dragons aren’t even slightly interested in what is just or not, because they, for the most part, consider themselves gods. I doubt Charloss could even spell justice.
As for the question of final opponent- how exactly does that rule out a pirate?
The theme, as you say, is freedom. Now, there’s two ways you can approach an enemy that reflects that. You can go one who does not believe in freedom, and exemplifies slavery- the World Gov.
Or you can go the other way- what abuses can the concept of unfettered freedom bring about? That’s how we get to Blackbeard, a man who lives completely free, follows his dreams, has inherited Rock’s will, is pushing mankind in an inexorable tide towards a world of anarchy. Blackbeard lives free as a bird. That’s why he lies, cheats, murders and wrecks his way through the world. What if a man like that was to then take control of the world? That’s final villain material.
Take note of what we know from Rocks.
He was a D
He gathered a collection of incredibly powerful, dangerous pirates under his command
He operated out of Pirate Island
He went after the secrets of the world
He wanted to be King of the World
In the end, both Pirate and Marine had to team up, defending Celestial Dragons in the process, to defeat him, Roger’s greatest enemy.
Now Blackbeard
Is a D
Gathered a collection of powerful, dangerous pirates (Impel Down Raid)
Operates out of Pirate Island
Is interested in researching the ancient history of the world
Named his flag ship after Rocks
Wants to be Pirate King, declares it his era
Everything points towards Blackbeard wanting to do what Rocks did. If he can get a way to put his fat ass on the throne to declare himself King of the World, with his first policy being that there are no laws whatsoever, then you’ve got a final villain. If Rocks can be a threat that manages to unite Roger, the Marines and the Celestial Dragons, you can bet Blackbeard will go one better.
If it weren’t for Imu, I’d say Blackbeard doing that is what Oda’s aiming for. But introducing a secret king of the world just for Blackbeard to beat him and take his place is incredibly redundant. The action would work perfectly fine if Imu wasn’t introduced and the symbolic throne remained empty.
I just can’t see Oda having a newly introduced entity like Imu yeeted out by Blackbeard’s gnarly ass just so he can play the same role.
I just can’t see Oda having a newly introduced entity like Imu yeeted out by Blackbeard’s gnarly ass just so he can play the same role.
Youre missing the biggest point about roger
rox was only his greatest enemy because he got to raftel TOO EARLY
becoming pirate king and beating rox/blackbeard is just matching rogers story
luffy is to complete joyboys dream and overthrow the 800 year old power
the whole reason roger had ace and started the gp era
rox was only his greatest enemy because he got to raftel TOO EARLY
becoming pirate king and beating rox/blackbeard is just matching rogers story
luffy is to complete joyboys dream and overthrow the 800 year old power
the whole reason roger had ace and started the gp era
What BB pulled so far is nothing compared to what WG is doing since ages.
Does Luffy give a damm? Not yet
But he will because two things that links Luffy and void history is "D" and "Freedom" both of which got wrecked by world government through cleansing and suppression.
You know what Mihawk said about Luffy in MF? That what makes this man most fearsome is his ability to make allies.
Roger failed to accomplish something after becoming Pk. Something about which he learnt at Raftel.
He was sick but so far we can also infer that he lacked the Allies to achieve that.
And, that goal was not to fight someone like BB. And, thus he ushered pirate era so that another one comes up and do what he failed to do.
Luffy is the man. Luffy doesn't need so many allies to defeat BB. Luffy doesn't need to know void history and about Ds to beat BB. Thus, everything points to World government being final Villains.
Does Luffy give a damm? Not yet
But he will because two things that links Luffy and void history is "D" and "Freedom" both of which got wrecked by world government through cleansing and suppression.
You know what Mihawk said about Luffy in MF? That what makes this man most fearsome is his ability to make allies.
Roger failed to accomplish something after becoming Pk. Something about which he learnt at Raftel.
He was sick but so far we can also infer that he lacked the Allies to achieve that.
And, that goal was not to fight someone like BB. And, thus he ushered pirate era so that another one comes up and do what he failed to do.
Luffy is the man. Luffy doesn't need so many allies to defeat BB. Luffy doesn't need to know void history and about Ds to beat BB. Thus, everything points to World government being final Villains.
Imo bb will be Luffy's last fight on the road to being pk while the wg will be the fight to end op. To me it makes no sense for luffy to become pk then just do nothing but end the series. It makes more sense if luffy became pk then accomplish what roger couldn't as pk not before even becoming pk or even knowing what he and the sh's are doing. If luffy accomplished everything before being pk and bb is the last fight of the series then everything will just end on exposition dump which i don't think anyone wants.
This is Oda, we shall never manage to read through his mind accurately when it comes to a final villain of the series.
This man is the classic mangaka who could introduce an entire new category of characters that has nothing to do with the WG.
But on an overall scale, I also concur here. I don't see Teach as endgame material. That would be too foreseeable and Oda hates when it's that way.
This man is the classic mangaka who could introduce an entire new category of characters that has nothing to do with the WG.
But on an overall scale, I also concur here. I don't see Teach as endgame material. That would be too foreseeable and Oda hates when it's that way.