Future Events Justice Opposes Freedom - Why Only the World Government are Fit to be the Final Villains

Who Is Luffy’s Biggest Ideological Opposite?


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Is he though?

I mean first off Oda decided that the two chief news Luffy and we as the audience should know about are
> Sakazuki's victory over Kuzan
> Teach's rise to being a Yonko

I mean he even drew them in the exact same manner
Let's even compare the reactions Luffy has to both of them.
> Luffy sitting idly and listening to a story about Sakazuki and at the mention of Sakazuki's name his scar starts throbbing in pain and he starts sweating showing visible anxiety at the mere mention of Sakazuki

> Whereas, when it comes to Teach, Luffy doesn't care and is spacing out and focusing on other things, such as eating

And the reactions make perfect sense. One Piece is a story and one in particular in which "ambition", "determination", drive", "willpower" or whatever other synonyms one prefers directly confers martial prowess. This concept is so prevalent that it is physically instantiated in the phenomenon known as haki:
And who was the one that made Luffy doubt himself? Who was the one that broke that indomitable will, spirit, or whatever you prefer?
It was Sakazuki of course. When he killed his brother in front of his eyes




> Sakazuki broke that spirit. Sakazuki made Luffy doubt himself. Out of countless ruthless enemies, it was Sakazuki, and Sakazuki alone that achieved that.



> Coupled with the symbolism in One Piece that scars represent, Sakazuki and Luffy are destined to meet and fight.​
In a nutshell, this panel is all you got =>
-- to prove Akainu is the final antagonist. This is not good enough.
 

Light D Lamperouge

𝖂𝖍𝖆𝖙 𝕮𝖔𝖚𝖑𝖉 𝕳𝖆𝖛𝖊 𝕭𝖊𝖊𝖓
In a nutshell, this panel is all you got =>
-- to prove Akainu is the final antagonist. This is not good enough.
Lmfao no. All the above that you can't refute points to a build up and conflict between Sakazuki and Luffy. Though, I didn't say that Sakazuki will be the final antagonist. It mostly depends on Imu's prowess and role in the story. Sakazuki can be the final antagonist and has a lot going for him. Will he? I can't say with certainty, due to Imu's presence and mystery. Could he? Definitely.

If Imu
> Is a figurehead
> Has no battle prowess
> Is not combat oriented
> Is more of a figure that represents 'creation' or stuff like that
> Or is Dragon's enemy

Then the next in line for the role of the final antagonist of the story is definitely Sakazuki, with what we have thus far.
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
What! Luffy wants to avenge Robin's people now? :giogio:

Luffy is not Sasuke. He doesnt really care about revenge

Luffy doesn’t care about Blackbeard***

Luffy most certainly cares about revenge lol. The only reason Luffy has ever kicked a single ass in OP is due to revenge.

Seriously, name an antagonist post-Buggy who Luffy’s motivation for fighting has extended beyond some primal sense of revenge for wrongdoing lol.
 
Oda already confirmed luffy will be pk before the final war.
I don't think Blackbeard cares to be Pirate King..... I think he's aiming for the "empty throne" of Mariejois. He wants Im's seat, and wants to rule the world like Xebec did. I think he'll succeed to, and it'll set up Luffy the Pirate King, vs Blackbeard "The King of the World"

BB will be Luffy's final opponent for the PK title.

He won't be the final villain of the series, that's reserved for Im/WG in the big final war.

Oda has basically spoonfed us this setup since the timeskip or even earlier since the introduction of the ponegliffs.

It's all about bringing the Dawn to the world and freeing it from the WG.

Becoming PK is still cool and probably also necessary for that, as seen by Roger's "we were too early for that" comment, but it's still a quite significantly smaller goal than freeing the world from the WG. Luffy is necessary for that to happen, which Oda has told us over and over again.

Oda's own comment that "the most adventurous/exciting part of OP will be finished in 5 years" underlines this imho. He worded it that way with a clear intention:
Luffy will become PK and finish his journey in 5 years aka defeat BB by then.
After that (!) the final war against the WG is only about to start.
Like mentioned above, I think Blackbeard aspires for more than just Pirate King. He's an opportunist, and I 100 percent see him capitalizing on the Revolutionaries going to war with the World Government, and using it as a means to invade and take over Mariejois.

If we follow the pattern of Blackbeard, he's always managed to one up Luffy in every regard. Luffy set out to gather a crew and become infamous, and has slowly been building that up over the course of his adventure. Blackbeard managed to do that in one fell swoop. When Luffy became a Supernova, Blackbeard became a member of the Shichibukai. Blackbeard becomes a full blown Yonko, while Luffy manages to become an unofficial Emperor of the Sea.

Everything Luffy does, Blackbeard manages to trump it. That is how Oda has built this guy up, and so it stands to reason, that when Luffy becomes Pirate King, Blackbeard will trump it. And the way he can do that, is by making it to the "Empty Throne" that sits atop Mariejois. It is no coincidence that Oda introduced Xebec and gave him a dream that exceeds Pirate King, and then has been dropping hints left and right that Blackbeard seems to be following the same path as Xebec.

Another blaring indicator that makes this seem to be the case, is Blackbeard didn't start to make a move until word got out that the Revolutionaries had assaulted Mariejois. The Revolutionaries have made their move, and now Blackbeard is starting to make his.

What happened last time Shanks turned up at someones doorstep to talk to them about Blackbeard? Whitebeard didn't heed his warning, and both him and Ace lost their lives. Now we have Shanks doing the exact same thing with the Gorosei. Sure it's not concrete that he wanted to talk about Blackbeard, but he's the prime suspect, and if that's the case, I can see history repeating itself with the Gorosei and Celestial Dragons, just like how Blackbeard essentially caused the downfall of the Whitebeard Pirates.

There is just too many subtle and not so subtle hints out there that point to Blackbeard going in a complete opposite direction in the story that most people believe he will, and for that reason I stand by the belief that he will be Luffy's Final opponent. Hell, the guy is even being built up to be a superboss. I just can't see how Luffy can go from defeating the guy who has the strongest Logia and strongest Paramecia Devil fruits, to beating Im. No matter how OP Oda could potentially make Im, it just wouldn't feel right when the opponent before that managed to achieve what no one else in history ever could in terms of becoming stronger.
 
Luffy doesn’t care about Blackbeard***
He does. We got panels when the mention of Blackbeard pissed him off


Such panels dont say much and shouldnt be used as the main proof of Akainu/Blackbeard being the final villain

Luffy most certainly cares about revenge lol. The only reason Luffy has ever kicked a single ass in OP is due to revenge.
I am not a Luffy fan, but even I know Luffy doesnt care about revenge.

Seriously, name an antagonist post-Buggy who Luffy’s motivation for fighting has extended beyond done primal sense of revenge for wrongdoing lol.
What wrongdoing? Akainu has been doing his job. Ace was supposed to be executed at MF. What has Akainu done wrong?
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
What has Akainu done wrong?
Oh gee, how about murdering the person closest to Luffy right in front of him?

Luffy knocked Hajrudin out cold for attacking a Bull Luffy had known for 30 seconds, but you think he doesn’t care that Akainu killed his brother who he knew for like 10 years? Ace sure would be rolling in his grave if he knew Luffy sought Revenge for Brutal Bull but doesn’t care about Akainu lmfao.
 
Because he can still make the Gorosei, the leaders of the world, do whatever he wants. Imu would rather rule from the shadows than have his existence be known because as Doffy mentioned in Dressrosa, it would cause a lot of chaos if the secret of the national treasure got revealed
Why is his existence hidden in the first place if he's such an almighty figure?

Why is he hiding in the lower floors of pangea castle, ripping bounty posters apart like a butthurt kid. Honestly, dude looks pretty paranoid of Luffy/Blackbeard.

The Gorosei though, have battle scars, graded weapons and gave no fucks in front of a Yonko and Fleet Admiral
I'm pretty sure the reason Im remains hidden is that if it was known that there was a 'King of the World' the fact that Pirates don't usually attack the WG would change instantly. People are already going crazy over the title of 'Pirate King' that doesn't even get them anything... the possibility of being the 'World King' would make the Great Age of Piracy look tame.

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Also, the Marines are not the World Government, they are an organization under its control but I've noticed that in series people seem to always refer to them separately. They also don't seem to be tied as closely as you would think with stuff like CP0 cooperating with Doflamingo/Kaidou but the Marines not knowing... the Government probably doesn't know Drake is a spy... also Aokiji who is obviously a spy but the Gorosei don't seem to know. Even in Impel Down the Government wants to kill Doflamingo but the Megellan is protecting him.
 
I agree that WG is final villain not BB tho.
Then i misunderstood, my bad.
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I wouldn't go into political or ideological stuff, because this is not something Luffy would understand. When he finds out about the atrocities of the WG, he's likely to be very angry, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

For me Blackbeard is the only "opposite" of Luffy. This panel in particular stood out, and I'm not sure it's without reason:


They've been portrayed as two sides of the same coin. They believe in fundamental ideas of freedom, piracy and dreams, but with opposite means.
Not relevant, Luffy has never understood the major themes and also repercussions of his encounters, does not change that they exist.
Alabasta was for Vivi and Toto, not for the million people fighting, still did.
Skypeia was not the grand battle between electricity/fear and its supposed only weakness rubber/self-determination and courage, it was Luffy being angry at Enel for hurting his friends + wanting to let Cricket know about the city of gold in the sky.

We are talking about meta-perspective of ideological clashes they represent, not a direct motivation for Luffy to target the World Government. Pretty sure there will be a personal involvement as per usual, considering Oda hinted at Vivi and Sabo being in danger, might even be that, though obviously repetitive, but that´s not unusual for Oda in that regard.
 
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I don't think Blackbeard cares to be Pirate King..... I think he's aiming for the "empty throne" of Mariejois. He wants Im's seat, and wants to rule the world like Xebec did. I think he'll succeed to, and it'll set up Luffy the Pirate King, vs Blackbeard "The King of the World"



Like mentioned above, I think Blackbeard aspires for more than just Pirate King. He's an opportunist, and I 100 percent see him capitalizing on the Revolutionaries going to war with the World Government, and using it as a means to invade and take over Mariejois.

If we follow the pattern of Blackbeard, he's always managed to one up Luffy in every regard. Luffy set out to gather a crew and become infamous, and has slowly been building that up over the course of his adventure. Blackbeard managed to do that in one fell swoop. When Luffy became a Supernova, Blackbeard became a member of the Shichibukai. Blackbeard becomes a full blown Yonko, while Luffy manages to become an unofficial Emperor of the Sea.

Everything Luffy does, Blackbeard manages to trump it. That is how Oda has built this guy up, and so it stands to reason, that when Luffy becomes Pirate King, Blackbeard will trump it. And the way he can do that, is by making it to the "Empty Throne" that sits atop Mariejois. It is no coincidence that Oda introduced Xebec and gave him a dream that exceeds Pirate King, and then has been dropping hints left and right that Blackbeard seems to be following the same path as Xebec.

Another blaring indicator that makes this seem to be the case, is Blackbeard didn't start to make a move until word got out that the Revolutionaries had assaulted Mariejois. The Revolutionaries have made their move, and now Blackbeard is starting to make his.

What happened last time Shanks turned up at someones doorstep to talk to them about Blackbeard? Whitebeard didn't heed his warning, and both him and Ace lost their lives. Now we have Shanks doing the exact same thing with the Gorosei. Sure it's not concrete that he wanted to talk about Blackbeard, but he's the prime suspect, and if that's the case, I can see history repeating itself with the Gorosei and Celestial Dragons, just like how Blackbeard essentially caused the downfall of the Whitebeard Pirates.

There is just too many subtle and not so subtle hints out there that point to Blackbeard going in a complete opposite direction in the story that most people believe he will, and for that reason I stand by the belief that he will be Luffy's Final opponent. Hell, the guy is even being built up to be a superboss. I just can't see how Luffy can go from defeating the guy who has the strongest Logia and strongest Paramecia Devil fruits, to beating Im. No matter how OP Oda could potentially make Im, it just wouldn't feel right when the opponent before that managed to achieve what no one else in history ever could in terms of becoming stronger.
Strong points.

Could indeed play out the way you suggest it, but I still think Oda is going the more classical way (defeating BB for the PK title and then war against the WG). In my opinion that's the way he built up the story since the introduction of the ponegliffs and BB's very own intrduction.

I could be wrong of course, but that's why talking about it is so funny after all: Nobody knows what Oda has in store for us.

I wouldn't be opposed to your theory being correct btw. Would actually fit the way Oda built up BB, like you said.
 
Genuinely baffles me that people think the years of Blackbeard’s build up is going to end with him being a one-arc villain before the final war. Just look at his ID/Marineford panels



Greatest show in the world, can hardly wait



Blackbeard has a plan, and a firm belief in that he can achieve the apparently impossible. Getting Whitebeard’s fruit is only the beginning, he’s still planning on taking on Shanks at a separate point

How damn omninous is that? “I feel I can control the whole world!“ And by controlling the world he’s going to destroy everything. How’s that for a horrifying mix of freedom and control
I mean, panelling 101. Whose the biggest threat there, the two Marines with the small panels in the bottom, or the guy screaming at the world that his era has begun and he’s going to take on everyone in the world and shatter their boring peace? What exactly do people think the payoff for that will be right now, if Blackbeard doesn’t even make it to the final arc? Being an Emperor Is just a stepping stone for Blackbeard- he has to do more than that to live up to his Marineford hype. “Last villain before Laugh Tale” does not live up to what has been built for Blackbeard,

As for the Celestial Dragons- Doflamingo’s speech said that they’ll be overthrown as a mere byproduct of the Great War that is coming. He doesn’t even mention them as a potential winner in his grand speech, despite being one of the few characters seemingly aware of Imu.
 
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Fallen Prince

Given as story progress i dont think Akainu will be Luffy's Final opponent . Luffy's likely challenger will be Blackbeard so even Akainu will have troublesome time when BB creates havoc around the world he gets something like ancient weapons .

I think Marines will have factional war at some point given Akainu will have competency issues and lack of trust as chapters move forward . Fujitora , Greenbull , Smoker and Swords members will turn against Akainu so the real fight for Akainu will be his own faction not the pirates .

Its likely Aokiji /Dragon fits the bill , We clearly dont know much about Dragon though but i think he might have been high ranked top secret SWORD member back in his days hence Akainu refers luffy as Dragon's son . Maybe they have history and biff .
 
Imu may be final boss of series,but there is chance of Blackbeard, Imu going down in single arc
Pirates are rivals between each other
Navy(WG) are enemies with Pirates,
 
We don't even need to know Imu's philosophy or character to recognise that they represent the final obstacle in the series based on the context in which they're portrayed and the themes of the series.

One Piece has tons of themes, but the biggest theme has to be freedom. Nothing else really compares. Everything is built around that core idea, from Luffy's goal to be the PK "freest man on the sea", to the structure of arcs, liberating islands from oppressive forces. It all ties back to freedom. And that's what Luffy represents. The main candidates for final villain are Blackbeard, Akainu and Imu. Unsurprisingly, they all also represent the heads of the 3 great powers. They are all the biggest antagonists in the series, but there is a hierarchy, and we can rank them in respect to how they interact with the theme of freedom. My order: 3. Akainu 2. Blackbeard 1. Imu.

Akainu - Absolute justice
Blackbeard - Chaos and lawlessness
Imu - Oppression

The theme of oppression just holds the most weight and has been given the most attention consistently throughout the story. It is the biggest conflict to freedom. If we were to rank them around Luffy's freedom it would be something like:

10 - Blackbeard's chaos
0 - Luffy's freedom
-10- Akainu's absolute justice
-20 - Imu's oppression

Oda said the most interesting parts of the story will finish in 5 years. That "interesting part" is Luffy's journey to become pirate king. His battle against BB that will determine the person Roger was waiting for and the one that will use the OP. Both of them want to topple the WG, but that battle will decide which type of freedom will emerge after the big war. Luffy will obviously be chosen as the world's champion. Another idea Oda's frequently implemented.

The rest of the series would be Luffy, now decisively the freest in the world, leading the world in the war against the WG that is in turn headed by Imu. So in that sense, Blackbeard and Akainu will be Luffy's most personal opponents, but Imu will be the final obstacle in the series. The reason for that being Luffy needs to define his own specific stance on freedom, which means his relationships with BB and Akainu make sense to be more personal.

Whereas everyone is against oppression, and there doesn't need to be any discussion there. It is flat out wrong. Hence the need to build up Imu and Luffy's relationship not being as essential, with it instead making more sense for Luffy as a champion figure rather than having an ideological clash.
 
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What! Luffy wants to avenge Robin's people now? :giogio:

Luffy is not Sasuke. He doesnt really care about revenge
Most if not all arcs are driven by Luffy's desire to make justice for people he just met; of course it makes sense that he'd want to kick Sakazuki's ass even more as soon as he finds out how much damage he did to Robin's home. It isn't as much about avenge as defeating whoever hurt his friends.
 
The World Government being the final villain was obvious 10 years ago after Whitebeard’s speech before he died. That being said, the World Government being the final villains does not equal to Akainu being the final villain. Akainu does not represent the World Government, but merely the Marines.

The order of villains being defeated goes in this sequence

1) Kaido and Big Mom defeated by Luffy and his alliance/subordinates during Wano

2) Shanks defeated by Blackbeard

3) Luffy defeating Blackbeard on Raftel

4) Luffy defeating Akainu in the Final War

5) Luffy defeating Imu/Gorosei/whatever else the World Government has in store

This is the Luffy show, and people who actually think Imu will be Dragon’s appointment are setting themselves up for failure and clearly skipped the Reverie arc where Dragon’s entire plan clearly failed.

So no, Akainu is not the final villain. And yes Imu is the strongest fighter in the World Government. And no, Imu is not saved for a failure like Dragon.
 
Oda introducing Revos just to get sidelined.
right.

WG is definitely the big bad.
it will not fall by Luffy/SH hands alone and the Marines are mere goons of them.
 

Uncle Van

Humans Evolve. Taxes Never Do.
I don't think Blackbeard cares to be Pirate King..... I think he's aiming for the "empty throne" of Mariejois. He wants Im's seat, and wants to rule the world like Xebec did. I think he'll succeed to, and it'll set up Luffy the Pirate King, vs Blackbeard "The King of the World"



Like mentioned above, I think Blackbeard aspires for more than just Pirate King. He's an opportunist, and I 100 percent see him capitalizing on the Revolutionaries going to war with the World Government, and using it as a means to invade and take over Mariejois.

If we follow the pattern of Blackbeard, he's always managed to one up Luffy in every regard. Luffy set out to gather a crew and become infamous, and has slowly been building that up over the course of his adventure. Blackbeard managed to do that in one fell swoop. When Luffy became a Supernova, Blackbeard became a member of the Shichibukai. Blackbeard becomes a full blown Yonko, while Luffy manages to become an unofficial Emperor of the Sea.

Everything Luffy does, Blackbeard manages to trump it. That is how Oda has built this guy up, and so it stands to reason, that when Luffy becomes Pirate King, Blackbeard will trump it. And the way he can do that, is by making it to the "Empty Throne" that sits atop Mariejois. It is no coincidence that Oda introduced Xebec and gave him a dream that exceeds Pirate King, and then has been dropping hints left and right that Blackbeard seems to be following the same path as Xebec.

Another blaring indicator that makes this seem to be the case, is Blackbeard didn't start to make a move until word got out that the Revolutionaries had assaulted Mariejois. The Revolutionaries have made their move, and now Blackbeard is starting to make his.

What happened last time Shanks turned up at someones doorstep to talk to them about Blackbeard? Whitebeard didn't heed his warning, and both him and Ace lost their lives. Now we have Shanks doing the exact same thing with the Gorosei. Sure it's not concrete that he wanted to talk about Blackbeard, but he's the prime suspect, and if that's the case, I can see history repeating itself with the Gorosei and Celestial Dragons, just like how Blackbeard essentially caused the downfall of the Whitebeard Pirates.

There is just too many subtle and not so subtle hints out there that point to Blackbeard going in a complete opposite direction in the story that most people believe he will, and for that reason I stand by the belief that he will be Luffy's Final opponent. Hell, the guy is even being built up to be a superboss. I just can't see how Luffy can go from defeating the guy who has the strongest Logia and strongest Paramecia Devil fruits, to beating Im. No matter how OP Oda could potentially make Im, it just wouldn't feel right when the opponent before that managed to achieve what no one else in history ever could in terms of becoming stronger.
Should also note that Blackbeard tends to swoop in at the end to reap the benefits of Luffy's heavy lifting, with possible setbacks turning a 180 to benefit him big time.

Luffy showed up in Impel Down at the beginning and weakens their security. BB shows up at the end and gains powerful crew members.

Luffy shows up in MF at the beginning and BB shows up at the end to pick off a dying WB and steal his powers.

Luffy now is doing the heavy lifting by dealing with the Emperors directly, with BB likely reaping the benefits of the chaos.

It wouldn't be surprising if BB shows up near the end of the final war, steals the win and set ups a final encounter between him and Luffy later on.
 
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