Powers & Abilities Is Law and the Ope Ope no Mi fair game in the WSS competition?

[Garp the Fist]

Dodging the question, great.

Let's ask again and again, until you answer the question: Does Fujitora's gravity fruit only work when Fujitora uses his sword, given he always uses it when using DF powers, even when pulling down meteors? Yes or no? If yes, why do you assume that Law cannot cut without his sword when using his spatial hax within his room?

I’m not dodging the question.

It does not matter. It is completely irrelevant to the conversation. What matters is what is shown;

Fujitora always uses his sword to fight. Always. There is not a single panel of him fighting anyone - the scene with the Sunny is not a fight- without using his sword. Him tossing a meteor at the Sunny is like Zoro occasionally punching, kicking, using a scythe- an outlier. In every face to face fight Fujitora has had- he has used a sword. If Vegapunk was so how able to clone people, and we got swordless Fujitora with any other weapon vs Fujitora with a sword, Fujitora with a sword would win. The same is true for Law. That is what makes them swordsmen.

As for the totally different question that is just the basics of how Law’s DF works- Law cannot dissect people without a blade. That is why he uses his sword every time he does it. There is no reason to think that he could do otherwise.

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We all know "Gravity Spoon" is a forbidden technique because it is just too powerful for the one piece world. Fujitora nerfed all of his universe-busting spoon techniques by using a sword instead

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Law with his df and his sword vs Law with his df and no sword. Who wins? @comrade

You don’t want to know what Mihawk could do with a spatula

 

[imacub]

bruh, is someone really arguing against Oda statements

 

[comrade]

I’m not dodging the question.

It does not matter. It is completely irrelevant to the conversation. What matters is what is shown;

Fujitora always uses his sword to fight.

You said, Law cannot perform his cutting abilities without his sword because "he always does so". Now that I refuted your point, you say "it doesn't matter because he uses a sword to fight". So you agree Law can perform his cutting without a sword, since that cutting is spatial hax derived from his DF? Thank you.

 

[imacub]

You said, Law cannot perform his cutting abilities without his sword because "he always does so". Now that I refuted your point, you say "it doesn't matter because he uses a sword to fight". So you agree Law can perform his cutting without a sword, since that cutting is spatial hax derived from his DF? Thank you.

your point is Law can perform his cutting with a sword right? Same goes with Fuji, Fuji can perform his df without a sword and yet Oda made him a swordsman, so Law too is a swordsman

what's your point exactly? you can't argue against Oda's statement

 

[Garp the Fist]

Now that I refuted your point,

You refuted absolutely nothing. You have yet to prove in any way that Law can use his cutting abilities without a blade of some kind, and were jabbering on about him using a metal pole or his finger.

 

[Zowo]

You refuted absolutely nothing. You have yet to prove in any way that Law can use his cutting abilities without a blade of some kind, and were jabbering on about him using a metal pole or his finger.

comadre s

to strong

 

[сука]

God, I hope Law never thinks of becoming the WSS himself. Imagine how devastated he would be when he finds out he can't use "spatial hax" or he'll be disqualified from the tournament

 

[Zowo]

God, I hope Law never thinks of becoming the WSS himself. Imagine how devastated he would be when he finds out he can't use "spatial hax" or he'll be disqualified from the tournament

kicks and punches can get u disqualified to?

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

if fuji counts why doesnt law count
lmao


laws fighting ability isnt mysterious like shanks is
its very clear. he is a swordsman.

 

[comrade]

bruh, is someone really arguing against Oda statements

No one argues against Oda's statements. Has Oda stated that using overpowered, haxed DF abilities as a medicore medicore swordsman makes you the deserved WSS, or would Oda himself makde exceptions to the rule by letting Zoro fight opponents whose main/strongest power is based on swordsmanship (doesn't mean the opponent cannot be versatile)?

That's why Zoro's and Law's paths will never cross, even though both are swordsmen of the worst generation who stand next to each other and are of similar caliber. Because Oda understands, that it would be counter intuitive for Zoro to fight for the WSS title facing Law's Ope Ope no Mi.

So can you please stop using the same arguments over and over again like a broken recorder, when I never argued against them in the first place and it was never the point of the thread to begin with? Thanks.

Who is a swordsman and contender for the WSS title:

• King: he is versatile and uses fire, but he is a contender because his strongest asset is swordsmanship boosted by ancient zoan physicals
• Shiryu: A powerful swordsman on par with Magellan even before his DF. His swordsmanship is extremely powerful and lethal. His invisibility fruit is just a bonus that makes him harder to tag, hence he still is a contender

Who is a swordsman but arguably not a contender for the WSS title (meaning Oda would not pair Zoro with those characters because it is counter intuitive):

• Law: for the reasons stated above
• Kizaru: Also a swordsman but his swordsmanship is too a side power, while he mainly uses a powerful DF revoved on lasers, explosions, light speed kicks, etc.

To name a few.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

pretty sure fuji sword didnt eat the gravity fruit so he can use the powers of his fruit with or without a sword
but chooses to use a sword. they are both swordsmen

 

[сука]

kicks and punches can get u disqualified to?

Yep. Also you are not allowed to scream too loud during a fight because that may be classified as a sonic weapon, and we all know sound attacks have nothing to do with swordsmanship

 

[Garp the Fist]

Like, argue that the DF use excludes him, fine. I disagree, because I think it’s very clear that “pure swordsmen” doesn’t matter at all in OP, given the opponents Zoro has faced, and the stuff Zoro himself as done, but I can at least accept that as a sound enough argument.

Don’t try and give me completely moronic hypothetical situations where Law is running around with a fucking bamboo pole like Vergo and is still the exact same fighter capable of the exact same things.

 

[Haoshoku]

Swordsmanship is just a fighting style. Ain’t doing nothing with it alone. You gotta utlize the source(s) of power at hand and use those in conjunction with your swordsmanship. Zoro relies on his immense physical strength, speed and haki in conjunction with his swordsmanship, those components are what make up Zoro as a swordsman. The only difference with Law is that he just uses his DF abilties/haki in conjunction with his swordsmanship.

Take the sword away from him and his utilization of the fruit changes drastically. It’s heavy headcanon territory to assume that Law can replicate all his Ope Ope No Mi attacks ( the vast majority of which involve his sword) in the same exact manner. His swordsmanship has a clear influence on how he utilizes the fruit.

Hell we’ve seen an example of this with Sabo/Ace. Sabo’s fighting style differs from Ace. Once he got the fruit, he used it in conjunction with his dragon claw martial arts and even imbued the fire with his metal pipe. The particular utilization of the fruit’s ability will vary depending upon the fighting style of the user. It doesn’t mean that the user’s fighting style isn’t the main factor in how they fight.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

shiryu isnt a pure swordsman anymore
but some scrubs here call him contender for wss. dfkm

 

[сука]

shiryu isnt a pure swordsman anymore
but some scrubs here call him contender for wss. dfkm

Dude Shiryu obviously isn't a swordsman anyomre. His fighting style is now devilfruitsmanship

 

[imacub]

No one argues against Oda's statements. Has Oda stated that using overpowered, haxed DF abilities as a medicore medicore swordsman makes you the deserved WSS, or would Oda himself makde exceptions to the rule by letting Zoro fight opponents whose main/strongest power is based on swordsmanship (doesn't mean the opponent cannot be versatile)?

It's true Oda has never made such statement, but the title WSS is literally "World's strongest swordsman" there's no exception in it, every single swordsman will be considered as zoro's rivals in becoming the WSS. Also, "hax" itself is subjective, Fuji's df too is a hax, so Fuji is not zoro's rival? such a silly thinking if you think so

 

[comrade]

I think it’s very clear that “pure swordsmen” doesn’t matter at all in OP

I have claimed nothing else. I haven't say only "pure" swordsmen count. I made a distinction between having versatile abilities as a swordsman, with swordsmanship being (one of) your main and (one of) your strongest abilities, and having swordsmanship as a weak side power that is completely overshadowed by a DF related ability magnitudes above your swordsmanship. Doesn't mean Law is not a swordsman, it just means that Oda will probably not pair Zoro and Law in a duel for the WSS title, because it would be counter intuitive for Zoro to fight for the title facing the Ope Ope no Mi.

Take the sword away from him and his utilization of the fruit changes drastically. It’s heavy headcanon territory to assume that Law can replicate all his Ope Ope No Mi attacks ( the vast majority of which involve his sword) in the same exact manner. His swordsmanship has a clear influence on how he utilizes the fruit.

Sabo enhances his previous fighting style with the Mera Mera no Mi. But Law isn't enhancing anything. Cutting things is purely his DF ability. The cutting comes from his DF alone. That's why he cuts through Vergo's super hard Haki and an entire mountain in the process, using a hakiless, non-graded sword.

 

[сука]

Can we talk about how WB's title never made sense? I mean, how many men create shockwaves by punching the air? Real men fight by grappling, kicking, and punching each other in the face. WB never fought like a man, hence he was never really the WSM. He was merely the strongest devilfruitsman

 

[comrade]

Can we talk about how WB's title never made sense? I mean, how many men create shockwaves by punching the air? Real men fight by grappling, kicking, and punching each other in the face. WB never fought like a man, hence he was never really the WSM. He was merely the strongest devilfruitsman

You are getting cringy.