Powers & Abilities "ACoC" does not exist. It's "CoC coating/infusing", which has VARYING degrees/levels of skill.
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i agree with you that "advanced" only indicates a higher degree of mastery over haki
the term advancement/advanced haki was taken to seriously by the community, it is indeed canon, but it's only said to describe growth and levels of mastery.
"advanced CoA" or "ryou" were created right after chapter 937, and it stayed that way for 10 chapters until chapter 947 where we finally learned that it's called "outward haki", by the time the community have already settled on "advanced".
the first one to say it was rayleigh, in a flashback during luffy vs katakuri fight:
the second time by luffy when describing the technique that rayleigh showed him,
in the unofficial scans:
the official translation:
however, i disagree with what you said about that you need to master ryou in order to infuse yourself with CoC:
-the ability to infuse yourself with CoC is rare even among CoC users, mastering ryou won't grant you the ability.
-ryou mastery is not necessary to infuse yourself with CoC (yamato can infuse her club with CoC even though she can't use ryou).
-ryou is just a complicated way of using haki, it means infusing yourself with outward haki.
-basically. CoC has the same applications as CoA.
here's how i think the applications of CoA and CoC:
CoA:
INWARD:
1-invisible
2-hardening
OUTWARD/RYOU:
1-barrier
2-internal destruction
CoC:
SPIRIT OVERWHELMING (basic)
INWARD:
1-stronger hardening
OUTWARD/RYOU:
1-stronger and larger barrier
2-deeper internal destruction (i'm not sure about this)
the term advancement/advanced haki was taken to seriously by the community, it is indeed canon, but it's only said to describe growth and levels of mastery.
"advanced CoA" or "ryou" were created right after chapter 937, and it stayed that way for 10 chapters until chapter 947 where we finally learned that it's called "outward haki", by the time the community have already settled on "advanced".
the first one to say it was rayleigh, in a flashback during luffy vs katakuri fight:
the second time by luffy when describing the technique that rayleigh showed him,
in the unofficial scans:
the official translation:
however, i disagree with what you said about that you need to master ryou in order to infuse yourself with CoC:
-the ability to infuse yourself with CoC is rare even among CoC users, mastering ryou won't grant you the ability.
-ryou mastery is not necessary to infuse yourself with CoC (yamato can infuse her club with CoC even though she can't use ryou).
-ryou is just a complicated way of using haki, it means infusing yourself with outward haki.
-basically. CoC has the same applications as CoA.
here's how i think the applications of CoA and CoC:
CoA:
INWARD:
1-invisible
2-hardening
OUTWARD/RYOU:
1-barrier
2-internal destruction
CoC:
SPIRIT OVERWHELMING (basic)
INWARD:
1-stronger hardening
OUTWARD/RYOU:
1-stronger and larger barrier
2-deeper internal destruction (i'm not sure about this)
Lol cope thread already...
Advanced CoC is Advanced CoC. The Basic form of King's Haki is knocking down fodder. The Advanced form is adding CoC into your attacks alongside CoA. And so Far Kaido, Luffy, Yamato & Zoro (most likely BM as well) are the only ones to have it/do it.
The only difference between them all is how strong their CoC is and nothing more
Advanced CoC is Advanced CoC. The Basic form of King's Haki is knocking down fodder. The Advanced form is adding CoC into your attacks alongside CoA. And so Far Kaido, Luffy, Yamato & Zoro (most likely BM as well) are the only ones to have it/do it.
The only difference between them all is how strong their CoC is and nothing more
I agree..
But CoC coating is something that was used by the very strongest in one piece, and people trying to downgrading to something much less than this.
We have kaido,the strongest in one piece verse saying that this ability is used by very few and the only confirmed user's are Roger, WB, BM, Kaido, luffy, yamato and zoro.
Yeah there are going to be more of them like Shanks some admirals etc but all those people are people who are sitting on the top of the world.
People who are shit talk now are people who wanted zoro to be much less than this and they should re read the one piece
But CoC coating is something that was used by the very strongest in one piece, and people trying to downgrading to something much less than this.
We have kaido,the strongest in one piece verse saying that this ability is used by very few and the only confirmed user's are Roger, WB, BM, Kaido, luffy, yamato and zoro.
Yeah there are going to be more of them like Shanks some admirals etc but all those people are people who are sitting on the top of the world.
People who are shit talk now are people who wanted zoro to be much less than this and they should re read the one piece
Bullshitter is is easy to explain. Cox slashes happen when the users are both exhibiting the same amount of force. Coc relies heavily on how strong you are at the given moment you are using it.
Kaido is confirmed weaker due to fatigue etc so his coc is also weaker which is why luffys coc is now able to clash with his causing split skys
Kaido is confirmed weaker due to fatigue etc so his coc is also weaker which is why luffys coc is now able to clash with his causing split skys
Base Luffy is fighting about as par with Hybrid Kaido as Santoryuu Zoro was fighting as par with King when he blocked his punch with his neck and fought and clashed equally.
Quit judging it based off of 10 pages. Start of fights do be like that.
Obviously, Luffy's clash with Kaido represented his ascension into Top Tier. But it doesn't mean his CoC mastery is going to be stronger than any blow that doesn't cause sky splitting, otherwise we'll have stuff like Base Luffy = Hybrid Kaido >>>> G4 Luffy = Hybrid Kaido or fuck ups.
Remember Kaido and BM also only split skies in base. WB and Roger did the same with no name attacks. Kaido and Luffy, too, with no name or significant attacks. It doesn't mean that those no name attacks in base are superior to their own far stronger attacks in far stronger form.
I'm all for saying Luffy's ACoC > any other member from alliance, but the dumb logic that his base punches are stronger than anything that doesn't split skies? Spare me.
So, again, give your reasoning first, then you can insult me.
Quit judging it based off of 10 pages. Start of fights do be like that.
Obviously, Luffy's clash with Kaido represented his ascension into Top Tier. But it doesn't mean his CoC mastery is going to be stronger than any blow that doesn't cause sky splitting, otherwise we'll have stuff like Base Luffy = Hybrid Kaido >>>> G4 Luffy = Hybrid Kaido or fuck ups.
Remember Kaido and BM also only split skies in base. WB and Roger did the same with no name attacks. Kaido and Luffy, too, with no name or significant attacks. It doesn't mean that those no name attacks in base are superior to their own far stronger attacks in far stronger form.
I'm all for saying Luffy's ACoC > any other member from alliance, but the dumb logic that his base punches are stronger than anything that doesn't split skies? Spare me.
So, again, give your reasoning first, then you can insult me.
Makes sense more or less imo
Conquerors and armament having 3 levels based on your ability to make your haki flow. aka just what the people of wano call ryuu/haki because its just the most common way they use it
With coc basically of both body and mind
Conquerors and armament having 3 levels based on your ability to make your haki flow. aka just what the people of wano call ryuu/haki because its just the most common way they use it
- Basic being able use you haki just within your own physical body
- Above that being able to use your haki outside of your own physical body basically coating yourself in a invisible barrier
- And above that being able to have your haki flow straight into other people/objects aswell
With coc basically of both body and mind
Why downplay what Yamato has? They all have the high level stage of CoC, only difference someone like Luffy, prob Kaido and Shanks have internal destruction to back it up let’s not forget how the level of will should play a role in how strong CoC coating is. For example if Luffy learnt CoC coating back in FMI when he was able to knock out 50K fighter max shouldn’t be on the same level as Shanks or Ray’s coating when Oda stated they could knock out all 100K. Hopefully it makes sense.
