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[nik87]

Oda will close the gap sooner or later.

There is no gap, that's what people dont understand.
Never has been. Rooftop is proof of it.
If there was any gap it is that behind Zoro, that Luffy was trying to close.

 

[Poorsalino Cooker]

That explains why Oda has Zoro using 2 swords

Behind every thread by a ZuKKer is more weird-ass agenda copium posting.

It's pathetic how some fans desperately want Luffy to be much stronger than Zoro.

Gee whiz, it's almost as if he's the main character and the plot's chosen one or something. Go fig.

 

[trav]

ACoC is between 6-8 Gomu Gomus. Depending on who you ask.

 

[JoNdule]

This is why I say to Zoro fans to just ignore the haters who keep shitting on Zoro non stop. Don't waste your time. There isn't much to argue here when this is the arc meant to wank Nika, when Oda is just off screen stalling Zoro to keep him away from action. Just wait for rooftop 2.0 , might take a few years tho lol.

I haven't been here long enough, but funnily enough I've seen many here who currently call Zoro fodder, admit that Zoro's showings in rooftop was at least comparable to Luffy's around the time I joined (before they switched the tunes lol).
From Luffy no/low diff Zoro post WCI, to that.

Zoro doesn't get to shine much cause he isn't the MC. But when the time comes, Oda ensures he gets hyped.
The gap won't be that high forever, even if it is high at the moment (I think so at least), Oda will close the gap sooner or later.

Find anyone sane saying Zoro was near Luffy or equal during rooftop other than zoro fans

 

[Blazing Lion]

This is why I say to Zoro fans to just ignore the haters who keep shitting on Zoro non stop. Don't waste your time. There isn't much to argue here when this is the arc meant to wank Nika, when Oda is just off screen stalling Zoro to keep him away from action. Just wait for rooftop 2.0 , might take a few years tho lol.

I haven't been here long enough, but funnily enough I've seen many here who currently call Zoro fodder, admit that Zoro's showings in rooftop was at least comparable to Luffy's around the time I joined (before they switched the tunes lol).
From Luffy no/low diff Zoro post WCI, to that.

Zoro doesn't get to shine much cause he isn't the MC. But when the time comes, Oda ensures he gets hyped.
The gap won't be that high forever, even if it is high at the moment (I think so at least), Oda will close the gap sooner or later.

I want to understand where the gap is.

 

[grey matter]

Find anyone sane saying Zoro was near Luffy or equal during rooftop other than zoro fans

Even many Luffy fans were even saying it, before they flipped later for agenda. I am not gonna dig up 2 year posts.

Vast majority of the fanbase agrees that Zoro's performance in rooftop was top 2 (only completion being Luffy), it's pretty unanimous. There were polls asking for it outside WG.
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I want to understand where the gap is.

Gap is Luffy having G5 and future sight.

 

[nik87]

Gap is Luffy having G5 and future sight.

Mihawk has neither of those.
Just like Zoro doesnt and never will.
Why does that create an imaginary gap?
This is the same argument we heard back in Dressrosa - Luffy has G4, Zoro doesnt so he lacks behind.
Turns out the complete opposite was true the whole time.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Even many Luffy fans were even saying it, before they flipped later for agenda. I am not gonna dig up 2 year posts.

Vast majority of the fanbase agrees that Zoro's performance in rooftop was top 2 (only completion being Luffy), it's pretty unanimous. There were polls asking for it outside WG.
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Gap is Luffy having G5 and future sight.

G5 isn't impossible to match lol. Kaidou did it, I imagine some other top tiers can.
Also Zoro will definitely get FS soon anyway.

 

[grey matter]

G5 isn't impossible to match lol. Kaidou did it, I imagine some other top tiers can.
Also Zoro will definitely get FS soon anyway.

I meant it's impossible to match for current Zoro. In future, he probably can.
The CQC difference is way too high. Lucci, who probably can keep up with the combat speed of G4, got clowned by G5.

Kaido has future sight and is fast himself. I presume Mihawk and Shanks can more than match G5 too

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

I meant it's impossible to match for current Zoro. In future, he probably can.
The CQC difference is way too high. Lucci, who probably can keep up with the combat speed of G4, got clowned by G5.

Kaido has future sight and is fast himself. I presume Mihawk and Shanks can more than match G5 too

I don't care about Lucci. He's about to lose hard anyway.
My point is Zoro isn't that far from being a top tier.

 

[grey matter]

Mihawk has neither of those.
Just like Zoro doesnt and never will.
Why does that create an imaginary gap?
This is the same argument we heard back in Dressrosa - Luffy has G4, Zoro doesnt so he lacks behind.
Turns out the complete opposite was true the whole time.

Given his epithet, Mihawk probably has the best observation haki in the verse.
Mihawk also very likely has far better base physicals than Zoro.

Doesn't matter, we have a direct comparison with Lucci and G5 for combat speed. Lucci was a sitting duck there. Zoro so far hasn't shown combat speed superior to Lucci, let that happen first and then we talk.

I don't care about Lucci. He's about to lose hard anyway.
My point is Zoro isn't that far from being a top tier.

Sure, I agree with that. One more powerup and Zoro is top tier

 

[[No Name]]

Luffy improved his haki since chapter 1010.

So you can at best say Zoro > Luffy 1010 in terms of CoC

But Sksplitting 1026 Luffy shitstomps stallman Zolo

 

[nik87]

Doesn't matter, we have a direct comparison with Lucci and G5 for combat speed. Lucci was a sitting duck there. Zoro so far hasn't shown combat speed superior to Lucci, let that happen first and then we talk.

You do know we havent seen anything between Zoro and Lucci because the whole fight is off-paneled?
You can base nothing off of that. It would be like saying Zoro cant do anything vs Kaido because he is stuck with Apoo.
I repeat, after every Luffy's victory with a PU, the argument is always the same. And it was always wrong. Not different now either.
Swordsmen are Luffy's kryptonite and they are kept away from him for a reason.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Swordsmen are Luffy's kryptonite and they are kept away from him for a reason.

Well he does have Armament Haki now so most swordsmen wouldn't be a problem for him, it's just that a fight between him and a swordsman would be more boring than a fight between two swordsmen

 

[nik87]

Well he does have Armament Haki now so most swordsmen wouldn't be a problem for him, it's just that a fight between him and a swordsman would be more boring than a fight between two swordsmen

He is a damage accumulation type of fighter while swordsmen are one-shotters.
Impossible to make them fight each other without nerfing swordsmen's damage down to papercuts.
Just like Oda did to Zoro's damage in Whiskey Peak.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

He is a damage accumulation type of fighter while swordsmen are one-shotters.
Impossible to make them fight each other without nerfing swordsmen's damage down to papercuts.
Just like Oda did to Zoro's damage in Whiskey Peak.

He doesn't sit there and take damage like Kaidou, so he can just dodge anyway
Luffy will never be like Kaidou or Big Mom, he knows not to take attacks that can fuck him up (if he can help it).

 

[nik87]

He doesn't sit there and take damage like Kaidou, so he can just dodge anyway
Luffy will never be like Kaidou or Big Mom, he knows not to take attacks that can fuck him up (if he can help it).

And yet, he eats countless hits in nearly each battle... That is not compatible with swordsmen.

 

[CensoredbyWG]

Zoro wasn't stronger than luffy at any point of the story + zoro already used 3 swords vs lucci and still couldn't win.

What determines your ACoC strength is the ability to split the sky with yonkos.

Luffy and linlin split the sky with kaido, zoro and yamato didn't, you already know who's stronger.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

It is true, everyone knows it.

Undebatably true. Pre acoc zoros feats shit on luffys

Oden's Sword, and basic CoC got more props from Kaido, than Zoro did.....

 

[Monkey D Theories]

It’s crazy how creative some people are with their copiums

With skill like this, you might even be a successful mangaka if you tried