Controversial Alot of leftist belief is inherently racist

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Uncle Van

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Let's try and take a few steps back when it comes to America. America is a capitalist society, and captialism is about private ownership that encounters expansion. Capitalism is inherently right wing economically. To be socially right you have to also restrict the freedoms and choices of the people, which is authoritarianism. The Healthcare industry for example is privately owned and goes hand-in-hand with the insurance industry. Free Healthcare means to big blow to insurance company profits, and higher taxation makes Healthcare less and less affordable.

Joe Biden does not want to get rid of Captialism and his main focus is giving temporary relief to the people during an economic downturn. On one hand he forgives studen loan debt, on the other he blocks unions as they are anti-capitalist.
 
Let's try and take a few steps back when it comes to America. America is a capitalist society, and captialism is about private ownership that encounters expansion. Capitalism is inherently right wing economically. To be socially right you have to also restrict the freedoms and choices of the people, which is authoritarianism. The Healthcare industry for example is privately owned and goes hand-in-hand with the insurance industry. Free Healthcare means to big blow to insurance company profits, and higher taxation makes Healthcare less and less affordable.

Joe Biden does not want to get rid of Captialism and his main focus is giving temporary relief to the people during an economic downturn. On one hand he forgives studen loan debt, on the other he blocks unions as they are anti-capitalist.
Would you consider the Nordic countries left or right wing
 
No, there’s literally “privately funded” healthcare in some European countries.


Lol
I don't know what countries you are referring to (you'd have to give me specific examples) In Spain you have private insurance and the government's plan that is 100% financed with tax money. England has the nhs which is public money and public institutions. Most european countries that I know of still have private hospitals but it is all financed with public funds.
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Would you consider the Nordic countries left or right wing
They are welfare states. Countries like Sweden were ruled by the social democrats for a long time. They are still capitalists by definition tho. The thing they do right is having a very high rate of unionization and they fund all their welfare programs very well. They are still capitalist.
 
I don't know what countries you are referring to (you'd have to give me specific examples) In Spain you have private insurance and the government's plan that is 100% financed with tax money. England has the nhs which is public money and public institutions. Most european countries that I know of still have private hospitals but it is all financed with public funds.
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They are welfare states. Countries like Sweden were ruled by the social democrats for a long time. They are still capitalists by definition tho. The thing they do right is having a very high rate of unionization and they fund all their welfare programs very well. They are still capitalist.
Bruh this man literally insulted me yet he doesn’t even bother to research the shit he says
 
Spain is not the entire European continent.

I was talking about how you didn’t know enough about healthcare in Europe yet you felt bold enough to insult me
So what, do I have to know what all the forty something countries in Europe do when it comes to healthcare??? Do you? Maybe you do but you didn't tell me which countries do it privately. I know How England, Spain and France do it. But you don't provide examples of privately financed healthcare in Europe. I'm genuinely asking which ones they are.
 
that's moronic and never said that
It wont go away if immigration is banned

but more immigration means more people and more people means more competition for same existing amount of jobs
it makes matters worse for people already here, It does not solve the issue of unemployment if immigration is stopped as there would still be more people then jobs available




Exactly
Third world nations have lesser living conditions so people from those areas wanna go to america where the living conditions are far better

it's an entirely logical conclusion unrelated to a giant conspiracy which as said does not even make sense
I misinterpreted , that's correct
tho matters will get equally as bad when the government infrastructure has to depend on a less bloated workforce basically in the eye of the government , immigrants are there to serve as additional tax paying members of society.

now America hasn't really remodeled its migration laws placing precedence of family reunions, but countries like Canada where am from
and Australia who use point based economic migration and that makes it pretty obv.
 
You said it was though
Still no

What did you mean by that comment, If not what was said.
That saying "men are trash" is meant to describe a problem and the perpetuators, not to fix it.

So it's only racist or sexist if it's inherently done by the government?
No.

Systematic racism don't means that government are racist. It means that we live in a society where we are englued in sexist bias. It a millions of little things but each things added up ends up creating an oppression. Ending racism is not as easy as replacing the government, it goes deeper than that. We need hard structural changes in different stratus of the societies.

In your attempt to like disavow white racism or male sexism, You created a internal logic which wouldt account individual people who themselves are racist
oh boi.. i know where this is going..


you seemed to frame it as a necessary evil
No, I said that misandry as an act of ideological anger can be necessary to help women express their voice without walls. But the only act of mysandry that is "legitimate" is ideological anger, nothing more.

And i'm not "unsure" of myself.

Misandry as anger against the men is completely legitimate in our society. I myself am sometime VERY angry against men in general for the same reasons. For example, when I see you deligitimizing feminist struggles.. damn...I'm itchy


You didt answer on what was the tangible goal to be had
If you want some objectif here are some:

Step 0:

GOAL: Finding a way to bypass anti-leftist organism and structure

APPLYING: ....????... Occupy the space as much as we can.. maybe create a decentralized twitter free of missinformation.. create our own spaces and safe spaces...

RESULT: The left finally has a strong voice.

Step 1:

GOAL: Shifting the overton windows a bit to the left.

APPLYING: Occupy the political debate with leftist rhetoric. End the far right moral panics with political critical thinking : "woke" "SJW" "hating men women" "BLM" "Antifa"

RESULT: More political thinking, the far right has less voice in the political and social debate, the overton windows starts to shift left.

Step 2:

GOAL: Creating attrativity for the left while lessering individual sexism (it's the easiest social struggle to work on in the beginning).

APPLYING: Deconstruct male behavior of leftist and "center" individuals and create a more positive masculinity while not forgetting to place that deconstruction into a political spectrum. Increase the visibility of that deconstruction and it's positive effect on men.

RESULT: More allies in the cause of women right, less toxicity in left side of society, happier men and happier women in the left political spectrum. Meaning also more attractibility for the left and it's logics (antiracism/anticapitalism)

Step 3:

GOAL: Putting the left in governments

APPLYING: Unifying leftist movements, ending the sission between old school leftist and more progressive movment. Making sure everyone understands that only in the convergeance of struggle will victory will arrive. Continuing to attract apolitical with more critical thinking, more pedagogy on sociology, on science and economy. Making sure the movements are anti-liberals.

RESULT: A STRONG left is created all over the world. Now the liberals have no choice but to shift right, making their rhetoric less and less attrative to a documented audience. AFter all that, maybe just MAYBE we can put a REAL leftist party in command. (it can also arrives in reactance to a far right wing party)

Now, you have the left in command.. you have a strong anti-liberal movement.. young and old folks fully in understanding of social issues, you can now start applying social laws. The liberals are now the right wing, the Far right is out of the windows once against and Nazis are SCARED once again.

RESULT: Less oppressions, less sexism in society, more awareness for inequities, more equality.

Now.. the antiracist movements can start moving... followed by the anticapitalist ones, the antifascist, and finally some far left movement.. sky is the limit.

Repeat the cycle and continue moving the overton windows to the left by occupying space.

I don't know.. this is just an idea..

You are telling me that it's bad to stay neutral and that im to evaluate my potential biases
The CURRENT far right (everything at the right side of biden) doesn't fight fair, they use missinformation. It's part of their business plan. Without it, they can't exist. So if you keep informing yourself with the right wing, your are doomed to be trapped under their their claws.

Their goal is to create moral panic and twisting of information to make sure the overton windows leans right.

That's why you can't trust the current right to inform yourself and the "apolitical" who choose to "listen and give a voice to everyone" (Joe Rogan being one of the biggest example)

Critical thinking doesn't mean that you need to listen to all point of view. It means that you need to listen where the REAL information is. Right now, I would say: Scientists, researchers. And even their, you need to go for the consensus. Not some rando with a medical degree that say that Climate change is not real.

And because the Brandolini law exist, speaking with the far right is almost ALWAYS a doomed process.

men are the problem answer
In absolute, Men are not the problem they are A problem. There are a lots of problems.


You are very quick to see men as the badguy
Again, having bias doesn't make you a bad guy.


you would justifiably call me out
Because women have those bias in a MUCH lesser degree. And yeah, calling woman bad, in the context of an oppressive society against woman is sexist.


I said racists but they would fit that bill too
white supremacist are racist.


I just treat women like any other person say hello or whatever yknow
That the problem. By not understanding that you have bias, you are doomed to repeat toxic behavior toward women without even being aware of it.


Sometimes you can have a bad day or whatever maybe your dog died or whatever but overall you should try to stay civil and nice no purpose or function in mindlessly pissing off every single person in the vicinity
Understanding your sexist bias doesn't only mean that you become "polite", it also mean that you don't reproduce sexist or toxic behaviors.

I even said not saying and then said in a general sense why are you responding to me in a way that's implying the exact opposite of what was stated by me
Well that not what I understood, but I might be wrong.
 
So what, do I have to know what all the forty something countries in Europe do when it comes to healthcare??? Do you? Maybe you do but you didn't tell me which countries do it privately. I know How England, Spain and France do it. But you don't provide examples of privately financed healthcare in Europe. I'm genuinely asking which ones they are.
nah you ain’t genuinely asking shit, you literally melted down and think I’ll take you seriously?Before I disengage I’ll just list a few off the top of my head
Germany
Belgium
Estonia

and most of Europe has a private insurance sector. Medicare for all is not the norm
 
nah you ain’t genuinely asking shit, you literally insulted me and think I’ll take you seriously? Before I disengage I’ll just list a few off the top of my head
Germany
Belgium
Estonia

and most of Europe has a private insurance sector. Medicare for all is not the norm
yes I was genuinely asking. I will concede that I shouldn't have said "europe" in general. I would have to research these countries and how they do it cause I have no idea.

But I thought you were an adult, now you're pearl clutching? You started calling me an idiot before I called you a cuck. I feel like just one of us id engaging with intellectual honesty here, just because I get heated doesn't mean I won't concede if I think I'm wrong.
 
nah you ain’t genuinely asking shit, you literally melted down and think I’ll take you seriously?Before I disengage I’ll just list a few off the top of my head
Germany
Belgium
Estonia

and most of Europe has a private insurance sector. Medicare for all is not the norm
Apparently Gemrany is 77% publicly funded and 23% privately funded. It does seem to be different cause private insurance plays a big role. Just so you know, I'm not a fan of this system.
 
Aka you don’t lol. It’s all good we can talk about overall geopolitics without getting too involved into countries you have no fucking clue about. Smart people know when they’re out of their depth
Do you hear yourself write sometime ? Like I said, I don't have to prove anything to you mate. Especially to someone with a nazi on their profil pic.
 
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Still no


That saying "men are trash" is meant to describe a problem and the perpetuators, not to fix it.


No.

Systematic racism don't means that government are racist. It means that we live in a society where we are englued in sexist bias. It a millions of little things but each things added up ends up creating an oppression. Ending racism is not as easy as replacing the government, it goes deeper than that. We need hard structural changes in different stratus of the societies.


oh boi.. i know where this is going..



No, I said that misandry as an act of ideological anger can be necessary to help women express their voice without walls. But the only act of mysandry that is "legitimate" is ideological anger, nothing more.

And i'm not "unsure" of myself.

Misandry as anger against the men is completely legitimate in our society. I myself am sometime VERY angry against men in general for the same reasons. For example, when I see you deligitimizing feminist struggles.. damn...I'm itchy



If you want some objectif here are some:

Step 0:

GOAL: Finding a way to bypass anti-leftist organism and structure

APPLYING: ....????... Occupy the space as much as we can.. maybe create a decentralized twitter free of missinformation.. create our own spaces and safe spaces...

RESULT: The left finally has a strong voice.

Step 1:

GOAL: Shifting the overton windows a bit to the left.

APPLYING: Occupy the political debate with leftist rhetoric. End the far right moral panics with political critical thinking : "woke" "SJW" "hating men women" "BLM" "Antifa"

RESULT: More political thinking, the far right has less voice in the political and social debate, the overton windows starts to shift left.

Step 2:

GOAL: Creating attrativity for the left while lessering individual sexism (it's the easiest social struggle to work on in the beginning).

APPLYING: Deconstruct male behavior of leftist and "center" individuals and create a more positive masculinity while not forgetting to place that deconstruction into a political spectrum. Increase the visibility of that deconstruction and it's positive effect on men.

RESULT: More allies in the cause of women right, less toxicity in left side of society, happier men and happier women in the left political spectrum. Meaning also more attractibility for the left and it's logics (antiracism/anticapitalism)

Step 3:

GOAL: Putting the left in governments

APPLYING: Unifying leftist movements, ending the sission between old school leftist and more progressive movment. Making sure everyone understands that only in the convergeance of struggle will victory will arrive. Continuing to attract apolitical with more critical thinking, more pedagogy on sociology, on science and economy. Making sure the movements are anti-liberals.

RESULT: A STRONG left is created all over the world. Now the liberals have no choice but to shift right, making their rhetoric less and less attrative to a documented audience. AFter all that, maybe just MAYBE we can put a REAL leftist party in command. (it can also arrives in reactance to a far right wing party)

Now, you have the left in command.. you have a strong anti-liberal movement.. young and old folks fully in understanding of social issues, you can now start applying social laws. The liberals are now the right wing, the Far right is out of the windows once against and Nazis are SCARED once again.

RESULT: Less oppressions, less sexism in society, more awareness for inequities, more equality.

Now.. the antiracist movements can start moving... followed by the anticapitalist ones, the antifascist, and finally some far left movement.. sky is the limit.

Repeat the cycle and continue moving the overton windows to the left by occupying space.

I don't know.. this is just an idea..


The CURRENT far right (everything at the right side of biden) doesn't fight fair, they use missinformation. It's part of their business plan. Without it, they can't exist. So if you keep informing yourself with the right wing, your are doomed to be trapped under their their claws.

Their goal is to create moral panic and twisting of information to make sure the overton windows leans right.

That's why you can't trust the current right to inform yourself and the "apolitical" who choose to "listen and give a voice to everyone" (Joe Rogan being one of the biggest example)

Critical thinking doesn't mean that you need to listen to all point of view. It means that you need to listen where the REAL information is. Right now, I would say: Scientists, researchers. And even their, you need to go for the consensus. Not some rando with a medical degree that say that Climate change is not real.

And because the Brandolini law exist, speaking with the far right is almost ALWAYS a doomed process.


In absolute, Men are not the problem they are A problem. There are a lots of problems.



Again, having bias doesn't make you a bad guy.



Because women have those bias in a MUCH lesser degree. And yeah, calling woman bad, in the context of an oppressive society against woman is sexist.



white supremacist are racist.



That the problem. By not understanding that you have bias, you are doomed to repeat toxic behavior toward women without even being aware of it.



Understanding your sexist bias doesn't only mean that you become "polite", it also mean that you don't reproduce sexist or toxic behaviors.


Well that not what I understood, but I might be wrong.
This is why I love Africa not a day goes by I need to think about all these solutions and all these forced fake shit that u see thats not natural I just live and I'm fine funny how I feel safer in Africa than I did for 20+ years in a western country too. Stop and think u are not from a country yet u want it to change to appeal to u it will never happen.
 
Do you hear yourself write sometime ? Like I said, I don't have to prove anything to you mate. Especially to someone with a nazi on their profil pic.
Being snarky won’t change the fact that you didn’t know lmao

also my pfp is literally him talking to a net, what the hell do you think I think of him
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This is why I love Africa not a day goes by I need to think about all these solutions and all these forced fake shit that u see thats not natural I just live and I'm fine funny how I feel safer in Africa than I did for 20+ years in a western country too. Stop and think u are not from a country yet u want it to change to appeal to u it will never happen.
I saw a post you deleted earlier, do you seriously think African Americans should just move to Africa? And do you think all they would all be welcomed with open arms?
 
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