General & Others Anyone who uses a sword is a swordsman. Yes, including Big Mom and Kizaru.

But what are the premises for a swordsman to not fall under the WSS title? Shanks predominantly uses a sword and was Mihawk's rival, yet it seems you are not very convinced of Mihawk being superior to Shanks.
Hmm? I never said that. Until something actually happens in the manga that contradicts that, Mihawk is > Shanks, even if i do not believe the gap is as huge as Admiral Lee Hung claimed in his thread.
You fall under it if it is your main fighting style and you have nothing else to offer.
 
So you would say that Big Mom, Shiki and Fujitora do not fall under it due to their powerful DFs and with Big Mom being a natural freak. Would Roger fall under it if he is from the current era?
Yes to the former.
Yes because for now, even if Roger has uber haki, it does not provide a separate set of skill not reliant on the sword/weapon itself, haki is a support system from what we know at this point, and advanced CoC is a theory at this point.
 
Also when it comes to mihawk i still want to know if hes fought anyone besides shanks? Doesn't change the fact that he has the title but just curious
Even if not any of the yonko or admiral hopefully at least one of the calamities.
Itd be cool to hear if lets say king once challenged mihawk but lost imo.


Also i know its not a concrete thing but i hope shanks is more than just mihawk but weaker fighting wise. Cause honestly that sounds so damn boring and lowkey lazy imo.
With all these cool and versatile top tiers and even high tiers. If shanks's whole gimmick was doin the exact same thing mihawk can do but worse
 
I dont know but afaik, there is a picture of his past where he carries a sword. It is possible that he is a swordsman too.
All marines are trained in swordsmanship tho and I don't think theyd all be considered
Even tho most of them are decently skilled with it

Like Marco also probably has some skill using a sword too along with the vinsmoke sanji included and a bunch of others
But idk i wouldn't consider them swordsman
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
All marines are trained in swordsmanship tho and I don't think theyd all be considered
Even tho most of them are decently skilled with it

Like Marco also probably has some skill using a sword too along with the vinsmoke sanji included and a bunch of others
But idk i wouldn't consider them swordsman
Why not? if they fight with a sword and know what they are doing, they are swordsmen. Their skill differs but they are swordsmen.
Luffy, on the other hand, was swinging a sword and didnt know what he was doing, he isnt a swordsman.
 
Why not? if they fight with a sword and know what they are doing, they are swordsmen. Their skill differs but they are swordsmen.
Luffy, on the other hand, was swinging a sword and didnt know what he was doing, he isnt a swordsman.
Because if they barely use it or don't even carry it they shouldn't be considered
Vergo could likely use a sword he doesn't consider himself a swordsman

And youd really count coby, akainu, marco, jozu, sanji, etc. as swordsman?

At the same time lets say luffy always carried the sword and used it even tho hes utter trash
Would he be considered one. Cause if hes using it all the time would skill really matter?
 
That basically makes 99,9% of the OP world swordsmen and the WSS dream the most significant path in the story, since it implies that the greatest swordsman has to surpass all the strongest and most important characters in the series.

And indeed, it's justified to ask why Mihawk never challenged Big Mom or other solid top tiers. Vista I can understand. Vista at his peak is around YC3 and at the time Mihawk dueled with Shanks, Vista probably was a small fry on vet level. But after Shanks lost an arm, he could've gone for Big Mom or could've challenged Kizaru. Oda could've made a case and let Kizaru chase Mihawk to prove, Kizaru is not enough as he is a mere swordsman who goes against the WSS.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
Because if they barely use it or don't even carry it they shouldn't be considered
Vergo could likely use a sword he doesn't consider himself a swordsman

And youd really count coby, akainu, marco, jozu, sanji, etc. as swordsman?

At the same time lets say luffy always carried the sword and used it even tho hes utter trash
Would he be considered one. Cause if hes using it all the time would skill really matter?
So, a Kizaru who has used sword once and matched a top tier who used a sword all his life, isnt a swordsman just because he isnt using it all the time?
I count everyone who uses a sword and knows what they are doing as a swordsman.
If in that case sword was the best Luffy had to offer, yes he would be an extremely bad swordsman, swordsman nonetheless.
Otherwise, if he had something better without knowing what he does with a sword he would just be a wannabe swordsman.
Is Cracker a swordsman despite fighting with his biscuits 99% of the time?
 
Pretty simple for me.

If character A fighting with a sword is stronger than character A fighting without a sword, character A is a swordsman. Doesn't matter what other supplements they use

Big Mom from what we've seen falls in this bracket. Can fight without Napoleon, but is stronger with. Her big transformation power up seems to be the mode she has with Prometheus as her hair/cape, Napoleon in her hand and Zeus as her noble steed.

Kizaru's the odd one who stands out. Clearly he is a very gifted swordsman- but he also went unscathed through Marineford without using his sword once. He's maybe the most versatile character we've seen in the series.
 
So, a Kizaru who has used sword once and matched a top tier who used a sword all his life, isnt a swordsman just because he isnt using it all the time?
Maybe Kizaru using a sword against a competent swordsman was the best way to go. At least in base. Who knows what his awakening is capable of. That's called versatility. A swordsman however would always resort to a sword, it's his main fighting style and most of his fighting power comes from it. If Mihawk is reduced to his fists, he would drop by a tier.
 
So, a Kizaru who has used sword once and matched a top tier who used a sword all his life, isnt a swordsman just because he isnt using it all the time?
I count everyone who uses a sword and knows what they are doing as a swordsman.
If in that case sword was the best Luffy had to offer, yes he would be an extremely bad swordsman, swordsman nonetheless.
Otherwise, if he had something better without knowing what he does with a sword he would just be a wannabe swordsman.
Is Cracker a swordsman despite fighting with his biscuits 99% of the time?
Cracker is a swordsman imo

Even if luffys bad at using it hed still be the same level so wouldn't he technically be a good one. Like you said cracker 99% of the time is using his biscuits itd be the same with luffy

So you do consider sanji, akainu, and jozu swordsman?
 
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