General & Others Balance of Powers of the Marines, Yonko and Shichibukai
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Is it a big deal? Yes.
Is the situation more difficult to handle because of all the other disasters the Navy is facing? Yes.
The Navy would find it much easier to handle this Yonko alliance had they not had the Alabasta incident (which Garp claims has the Navy using its full resources on) and the Warlord System Abolishment.
Oda makes sure to point out this out on 2 separate occasions.
Is the situation more difficult to handle because of all the other disasters the Navy is facing? Yes.
The Navy would find it much easier to handle this Yonko alliance had they not had the Alabasta incident (which Garp claims has the Navy using its full resources on) and the Warlord System Abolishment.
Oda makes sure to point out this out on 2 separate occasions.
Is it a big deal? Yes.
Is the situation more difficult to handle because of all the other disasters the Navy is facing? Yes.
The Navy would find it much easier to handle this Yonko alliance had they not had the Alabasta incident (which Garp claims has the Navy using its full resources on) and the Warlord System Abolishment.
Oda makes sure to point out this out on 2 separate occasions.
Is the situation more difficult to handle because of all the other disasters the Navy is facing? Yes.
The Navy would find it much easier to handle this Yonko alliance had they not had the Alabasta incident (which Garp claims has the Navy using its full resources on) and the Warlord System Abolishment.
Oda makes sure to point out this out on 2 separate occasions.
Why are you talking about logic when we still are unsure if you even have a brain ?
Mihawk became a warlord to sail for fun and not be bothered. He would only sail for fun once he had no rivals left to fight. So no he was one of if not the last warlord to join. I bet knowing his history with shanks the wg asked him in response to shanks becoming a yonko.
Kuma is a revolutionary.
He'd have to have had the time to fake the pirate career and get that bounty he has. All the rest were warlords for years.
Mihawk became a warlord to sail for fun and not be bothered. He would only sail for fun once he had no rivals left to fight. So no he was one of if not the last warlord to join. I bet knowing his history with shanks the wg asked him in response to shanks becoming a yonko.
Kuma is a revolutionary.
He'd have to have had the time to fake the pirate career and get that bounty he has. All the rest were warlords for years.
Some of what you said just isn’t true, not to mention there are other things that counter other arguments you used.
For one, you said that BB fought sengoku + Garp. This never happened in the manga. We were specifically told that BB was fighting sengoku one on one. Then in the next chapter, Garp arrives to offer assistance to sengoku, however shanks ends the war a few panels later, so it was only sengoku that ever fought BB as far as we know.
Another thing you said is that Yonko commanders fought admirals one on one and stalled them, which is true, but at the same time a HEAVILY INJURED admiral fought Marco + Vista + croc + 10 other lesser commanders. Aokiji is proven nigh equal with Non injured Akainu, so he should be able to do the same as what Akainu did against all those commanders. Not to mention each admiral in their 1v1’s against old beard arguably got the better of him one way or another.
The problem with lots of people in this community is that they don’t seem to realize that there are feats that support both sides of arguments. The reality is that it’s not set in stone yet and that’s how Oda purposely has it imo. The evidence someone will believe in is the evidence for the side they are biased for. I’m an admirals Stan, so of course I will bring up feats that make them look as strong as possible.
For one, you said that BB fought sengoku + Garp. This never happened in the manga. We were specifically told that BB was fighting sengoku one on one. Then in the next chapter, Garp arrives to offer assistance to sengoku, however shanks ends the war a few panels later, so it was only sengoku that ever fought BB as far as we know.
Another thing you said is that Yonko commanders fought admirals one on one and stalled them, which is true, but at the same time a HEAVILY INJURED admiral fought Marco + Vista + croc + 10 other lesser commanders. Aokiji is proven nigh equal with Non injured Akainu, so he should be able to do the same as what Akainu did against all those commanders. Not to mention each admiral in their 1v1’s against old beard arguably got the better of him one way or another.
The problem with lots of people in this community is that they don’t seem to realize that there are feats that support both sides of arguments. The reality is that it’s not set in stone yet and that’s how Oda purposely has it imo. The evidence someone will believe in is the evidence for the side they are biased for. I’m an admirals Stan, so of course I will bring up feats that make them look as strong as possible.
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Everything I said is true.
Garp standing there is the same thing with other mid level commanders standing next to Marco. While you say Garp didn't fight I would say the same for other commanders. They both fought, Garp was ready to kill Akainu, you think he would hold back against BB? Just like MF WB failed to kill BB, Sengoku + Garp couldn't kill Gura upgraded BB as well.
As for Akainu fighting alone is a lie. Only in the next chapter they say half of marineford forces attacks Marco and other half attacks BB. So Akainu had half of the MF forces against Marco and commanders. And since Kizaru and Aokiji weren't fighting with BB, they were fighting with WB pirates alongside with Akainu. So this debunks your Akainu argument.
Also its funny that you talk about things like Akainu being heavily injured when we see no wounds or bandages on him after the war just like BB didn't have. Only we see bandages on Marco and Sengoku.
Meaning that Marco was more injured than Akainu because Marco has limit to the things he can take, he isn't logia. Plus he took Garp's punch (same Garp said he can kill Akainu), and Kizaru cheap-shotted Marco from behind (possibly used Haki on his lasers as well) and then once again Kizaru hits him from behind when Marco was cuffed to Kairoseiki which forces the limits of Marco. In the end Marco was more injured than Akainu so stop making up excuses.
Garp standing there is the same thing with other mid level commanders standing next to Marco. While you say Garp didn't fight I would say the same for other commanders. They both fought, Garp was ready to kill Akainu, you think he would hold back against BB? Just like MF WB failed to kill BB, Sengoku + Garp couldn't kill Gura upgraded BB as well.
As for Akainu fighting alone is a lie. Only in the next chapter they say half of marineford forces attacks Marco and other half attacks BB. So Akainu had half of the MF forces against Marco and commanders. And since Kizaru and Aokiji weren't fighting with BB, they were fighting with WB pirates alongside with Akainu. So this debunks your Akainu argument.
Also its funny that you talk about things like Akainu being heavily injured when we see no wounds or bandages on him after the war just like BB didn't have. Only we see bandages on Marco and Sengoku.
Meaning that Marco was more injured than Akainu because Marco has limit to the things he can take, he isn't logia. Plus he took Garp's punch (same Garp said he can kill Akainu), and Kizaru cheap-shotted Marco from behind (possibly used Haki on his lasers as well) and then once again Kizaru hits him from behind when Marco was cuffed to Kairoseiki which forces the limits of Marco. In the end Marco was more injured than Akainu so stop making up excuses.
Eh, this isn't quite true, this "choice" doesn't exist.
Ch. 700 says "One of the three great powers alongside Naval HQ and the four emperors is teetering in the balance as we speak".
It doesn't say "One of the four emperors".
Ch. 432 says something similar "The navy and the seven Warlords of the sea are allied together against these four pirates".
Ace Novel re-iterates this.
"The world Government attempts to counterbalance the Emperors' expanding power by establishing the Navy Headquarters at Marineford, and establishing a team of privateers called the Seven Warlords who have the legal right to pillage". Notice the 's' at the end of Emperors?
What you consistently find is that it's never said "one emperor" but instead has always said all four emperors.
Ch. 700 says "One of the three great powers alongside Naval HQ and the four emperors is teetering in the balance as we speak".
It doesn't say "One of the four emperors".
Ch. 432 says something similar "The navy and the seven Warlords of the sea are allied together against these four pirates".
Ace Novel re-iterates this.
"The world Government attempts to counterbalance the Emperors' expanding power by establishing the Navy Headquarters at Marineford, and establishing a team of privateers called the Seven Warlords who have the legal right to pillage". Notice the 's' at the end of Emperors?
What you consistently find is that it's never said "one emperor" but instead has always said all four emperors.
Stop talking bullshit.
1. Garp Says that Navy will not be easy against two legends.
2. Ivankov says that the government is joking when opposing Dragon and WB.
3. Vice Admiral says that during the battle with WB, the Navy will not be able to devote time to the battle of Kaido and Shanks.
4. Orochi says they won’t defeat Kaido
5. Koby's words about all the forces of Navy against shichibukai
6. Garp's words about the Kaido Alliance and BM. It is beyond imagination
7. The war against the sick and the old WB where all the forces of Navy and shichibukai came out.
8. Sengoku's words that they can lose the war
9. Koby's surprise at the yonko alliance. Since this is almost an unrealistic thing.
10. Shanks stops the war in one word.
11. The whole world wonders who will win WB or Navy.
12. Grandma Boa admits that WB can win the war against the government
13. The government is doing everything in its power to prevent Shanks and Edward from meeting.
14. Shutenmaru says own territory is an advantage. And after all there was a war against sick Whitebeard.
15. Teach says that Whitebeard could not save Ace due to old age.
16. Shiki says that he and Roger alone can conquer the whole world.
17. BM and Kaido say they can conquer the world
18. You need preparation with an admiral to defeat Ray
19. Against Ray you need half of Navy
20. One yonko flag gives protection to an entire island
21. Judge chooses yonko and not government to conquer the North Sea.
22. Almost all Shichibukai are friends with yonko: Doflamingo, Mihawk, Jimbei. That already indicates the impossibility of such a balance.
23. Watch to defeat Whitebeard resorted to dirty tricks. Let me remind you that this is an old and sick Whitebeard. Who himself admitted in his thoughts that he cannot always be the strongest.
24. BM says that with Elbaf she will become a PK. And to become a PK in manga you need to defeat the admirals and yonko. That is, with Elbaf BM is stronger than all.
25. Doflamingo thinks who rules the sea ONE OF YONKO, Navy, RA, worstgen, or shichibukai.
26. Koby hopes that yonko will fight each other and just in shock from the alliance.
27. Navy, according to Garp, may not allow the meeting of two yonko. And DO NOT WIN two yonko.
28. According to Garp and Doflamingo, Whitebeard RULES OF THE SEA (at this time, Doflamingo does not know who rules the seas. Even if NAVY, then this is a small advantage).
29. Navy's power is not enough to defeat Rox pirates. They need Roger's crew.
30. Doflamingo wanted to kill Fujitora. Doflamingo didn't want to kill Kaido.
31. The alliance of the Marines with the Shichibukai was formed over 11 years ago.
Then there was no Shanks and half of the emperors' crew were very young
32. According to Akainu, Kaido and Linlin's alliance may tip the balance against them.
33. "I WOULDN'T HAVE EXPECTED THIS TO HAPPEN" - Sengoku about the alliance between Kaido and BM
CAN YOU SHOW ME JUST ONE SCAN WHERE SAID THAT THE NAVY AND THE WARLORDS ARE ABLE TO DEFEAT AT LEAST TWO YONKOS AT THE SAME TIME?
NO, YOU CAN'T.
1. Garp Says that Navy will not be easy against two legends.
2. Ivankov says that the government is joking when opposing Dragon and WB.
3. Vice Admiral says that during the battle with WB, the Navy will not be able to devote time to the battle of Kaido and Shanks.
4. Orochi says they won’t defeat Kaido
5. Koby's words about all the forces of Navy against shichibukai
6. Garp's words about the Kaido Alliance and BM. It is beyond imagination
7. The war against the sick and the old WB where all the forces of Navy and shichibukai came out.
8. Sengoku's words that they can lose the war
9. Koby's surprise at the yonko alliance. Since this is almost an unrealistic thing.
10. Shanks stops the war in one word.
11. The whole world wonders who will win WB or Navy.
12. Grandma Boa admits that WB can win the war against the government
13. The government is doing everything in its power to prevent Shanks and Edward from meeting.
14. Shutenmaru says own territory is an advantage. And after all there was a war against sick Whitebeard.
15. Teach says that Whitebeard could not save Ace due to old age.
16. Shiki says that he and Roger alone can conquer the whole world.
17. BM and Kaido say they can conquer the world
18. You need preparation with an admiral to defeat Ray
19. Against Ray you need half of Navy
20. One yonko flag gives protection to an entire island
21. Judge chooses yonko and not government to conquer the North Sea.
22. Almost all Shichibukai are friends with yonko: Doflamingo, Mihawk, Jimbei. That already indicates the impossibility of such a balance.
23. Watch to defeat Whitebeard resorted to dirty tricks. Let me remind you that this is an old and sick Whitebeard. Who himself admitted in his thoughts that he cannot always be the strongest.
24. BM says that with Elbaf she will become a PK. And to become a PK in manga you need to defeat the admirals and yonko. That is, with Elbaf BM is stronger than all.
25. Doflamingo thinks who rules the sea ONE OF YONKO, Navy, RA, worstgen, or shichibukai.
26. Koby hopes that yonko will fight each other and just in shock from the alliance.
27. Navy, according to Garp, may not allow the meeting of two yonko. And DO NOT WIN two yonko.
28. According to Garp and Doflamingo, Whitebeard RULES OF THE SEA (at this time, Doflamingo does not know who rules the seas. Even if NAVY, then this is a small advantage).
29. Navy's power is not enough to defeat Rox pirates. They need Roger's crew.
30. Doflamingo wanted to kill Fujitora. Doflamingo didn't want to kill Kaido.
31. The alliance of the Marines with the Shichibukai was formed over 11 years ago.
Then there was no Shanks and half of the emperors' crew were very young
32. According to Akainu, Kaido and Linlin's alliance may tip the balance against them.
33. "I WOULDN'T HAVE EXPECTED THIS TO HAPPEN" - Sengoku about the alliance between Kaido and BM
CAN YOU SHOW ME JUST ONE SCAN WHERE SAID THAT THE NAVY AND THE WARLORDS ARE ABLE TO DEFEAT AT LEAST TWO YONKOS AT THE SAME TIME?
NO, YOU CAN'T.
EVEN 
Thank you a lot for this kind of proof.
Thank you a lot for this kind of proof.
You believe it takes 2 or 3 admirals to defeat an emperor and is butchering world building to fit around your subjective power scaling preferences. You don't have to rip apart world building along with ignoring direct statements and basic grammar to enforce your power scalings man.
Everything you bring up was addressed in the opening post without having to dive into power levels. Your power scaling preferences isnt an argument
EVEN IF IT MEANS ALL-OUT WAR WITH WHITEBEARD
EVEEEEEEN IF IT MEANS ALL-OUT WAR WITH WHITEBEARD AND SHANKS
EVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN
IF IT MEANS ALL-OUT WAR WITH WHITEBEARD + SHANKS AND KAIDO
EVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN IF IT MEANS ALL-OUT WAR WITH WHITEBEARD + SHANKS AND KAIDO AND LINLIN
LOL
EVEEEEEEN IF IT MEANS ALL-OUT WAR WITH WHITEBEARD AND SHANKS
EVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN
IF IT MEANS ALL-OUT WAR WITH WHITEBEARD + SHANKS AND KAIDO
EVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN IF IT MEANS ALL-OUT WAR WITH WHITEBEARD + SHANKS AND KAIDO AND LINLIN
LOL
with postskip Marines having a go at balancing 4 Emperor crews by themselves , i reckon SSG would be as powerful as an Ancient Weapon , maybe even more powerful than one of them ( probably the least powerful one - Pluton ) .
Uranus is Mariejois National Treasure i think , has to be more op than SSG/Pluton . Poseidon too.
Uranus is Mariejois National Treasure i think , has to be more op than SSG/Pluton . Poseidon too.
