General & Others Balance of Powers of the Marines, Yonko and Shichibukai
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Again, multiple things untrue with your arguments. First off, you say that because I say Garp didn’t fight you can say the commanders didn’t fight, that’s BS. WE WERE TOLD THE COMMANDERS WERE FIGHTING AKAINU, just as we were told BB is fighting ONLY SENGOKU. I can bring the panel up if you would like it. And no, Akainu fought the commanders by himself for a little before receiving back up from the other marines. But you also don’t mention the fact that the commanders also received help from the rest of the pirates, as shown in the manga panel. I can also bring that up if you want.
Marco was more injured than Akainu because he wasn’t show with bandages but Marco was? Seriously man? Is that your argument? This doesn’t prove he was more injured, this could simply mean Akainu’s durability and endurance is better than Marcos LOL. And did we even see Akainu immediately after the war? I don’t remember. ALSO, if you argue Akainu wasn’t that damaged, that ONLY MAKES THE ADMIRALS LOOK GOOD, as Akainu just tanked TWO ENRAGED GURA ATTACKS FROM WB.
Marco was more injured than Akainu because he wasn’t show with bandages but Marco was? Seriously man? Is that your argument? This doesn’t prove he was more injured, this could simply mean Akainu’s durability and endurance is better than Marcos LOL. And did we even see Akainu immediately after the war? I don’t remember. ALSO, if you argue Akainu wasn’t that damaged, that ONLY MAKES THE ADMIRALS LOOK GOOD, as Akainu just tanked TWO ENRAGED GURA ATTACKS FROM WB.
Also and once again, the Balance of Powers doesnt affect your subjective power scalings so some of y'all dont have to be so defensive and insecure about it. It doesnt matter how you feel about power levels; it was blatantly stated Marines+Shichibukai counter balances the Emperors who are lumped together as a single power.
BB vs Sengoku started even before Marco vs Akainu. Garp joining them at the same time is possible. He was showing his punch to BB and he was ready to kill Akainu you think Garp would hold back against BB? Lol.
We were also told half of Marine forces attacks Marco alongside with Akainu, it proves Akainu had a bigger force than Marco had (Aokiji + Kizaru + other forces bigger than Marco's forces) I said which debunks Akainu wankery hopefuly this won't turn into Admiral wank thread despite your efforts. So stop lying about Akainu or Sengoku being alone, that's ridiculous. And the other half of the Marine forces attacks BB (Garp is included in that other half and other marine forces that attacks BB) which also debunks your wank about Sengoku and Akainu are being alone which was not true according to manga canon.
Lol. You said Akainu was ''heavily injured'', now you are saying his durability is better than Marco. Wtf are you talking about... How can his durability be better if he is heavily injured like you lied earlier?
Akainu took only 2 attacks from MF WB and and slash from Marco which he managed to block.
Marco took Kizaru's Yasakanino Magatama 2x times, Garp's punch, Kizaru's cheap shots 2x times from behind and the last one came with Kairoseki help. Of course the things that Marco took was worse. Marco was more injured when he fought Akainu and half of the Marine forces so stop making up excuses.
We were also told half of Marine forces attacks Marco alongside with Akainu, it proves Akainu had a bigger force than Marco had (Aokiji + Kizaru + other forces bigger than Marco's forces) I said which debunks Akainu wankery hopefuly this won't turn into Admiral wank thread despite your efforts. So stop lying about Akainu or Sengoku being alone, that's ridiculous. And the other half of the Marine forces attacks BB (Garp is included in that other half and other marine forces that attacks BB) which also debunks your wank about Sengoku and Akainu are being alone which was not true according to manga canon.
Lol. You said Akainu was ''heavily injured'', now you are saying his durability is better than Marco. Wtf are you talking about... How can his durability be better if he is heavily injured like you lied earlier?
Akainu took only 2 attacks from MF WB and and slash from Marco which he managed to block.
Marco took Kizaru's Yasakanino Magatama 2x times, Garp's punch, Kizaru's cheap shots 2x times from behind and the last one came with Kairoseki help. Of course the things that Marco took was worse. Marco was more injured when he fought Akainu and half of the Marine forces so stop making up excuses.
Garp asks "Do you want to set the Marines against two legends at once?"
Ivankov says "The government doesn't want Whitebeard AND Dragon on their case at the same time".
In both instances, it's about not wanting these things to happen rather than not being able to deal with them. This same idea holds even with real-world examples, it doesn't take more than 30 seconds to understand this concept.
Yes, and Don Krieg said he was the World's Strongest Man. I think I know who I'll trust between a joke character and Garp.
I think you might want to re-read 956. There are 2 major things that the Navy is dealing with, not one. First is the incident with the Alabasta Kingdom and second is the abolition of the Warlord System. Koby says the Navy can't keep up prior to even hearing the Yonko news.
Garp says "There's no point worrying!! If they return, they'll be a threat but events will find a way to surpass our imagination anyway!".
Not whatever nonsense you were trying to claim.
Yes. The same war where a grand total of 0 admirals were defeated and where the only warlord who lost was because of another warlord. I am sure this strengthens your case of "Navy = 1 yonko".
Sengoku says "The fact that we outnumber them doesn't guarantee our victory! They could still wipe us out! That man has the power to destroy the world!!". The threat created by Whitebeard is because of his devil fruit and because of the danger it poses to Marineford as an island. It doesn't matter if they outnumber them, the danger still exists.
"Everybody listen. Withdraw and allow me to save face."
The war ended once Sengoku agreed to let Shanks handle the burial of both Whitebeard and Ace. He's also the one who declared the war is over at the very end of the chapter, not Shanks.
Feel free to correct me if there are more statements but all I see before the war starts is "Do you think he'll show up? Whitebeard's gotta be pretty old by now. " and "He's an old-fashioned dinosaur. Do you really think he can beat the navy?!"
In fact, most people underestimated him, the only one who treated him with more respect was the pirate who faced him a year ago and who presumably lost to Whitebeard. The unthinkable scenario is Whitebeard winning, not the other way around.
After being shocked that Luffy is Ace's brother, she tells Luff that "Hmm... If Whitebeard should win this war... there might be a way for [Ace] to survive". That's a very big if right there. Consider the fact that she doesn't look all too confident while saying it, it should be enough to understand the trend that's going on here.
No, it isn't.
Yes, with the help of multiple Ancient Weapons. But of course, you forget to include that, per usual.
Yes, he's a powerful fighter, and you could lose a lot of men if you don't approach him carefully. Putting Admirals in positions where they could easily get injured (just because we want to know if they can defeat certain individuals in a 1v1) will never happen. I hope you realise this.
No, you wouldn't need half the navy.
You would just need 1 admiral and they could have a very long and strenuous fight. However, does it make sense for the Navy to let one of their most powerful fighters get injured just to fulfill our headcanon of who beats who in 1v1 fights? No.
I hope you see how your conclusion is wrong.
4 Emperors give protection to one-half of the grand line. The Navy and the Warlords give protection to another half. This actually does more to prove my point and less to prove yours.
"Who rules this stretch of water?!! Is it one of the four emperors of the sea?! Perhaps the seven warlords, who use their trickery to get by?! Maybe those brats in the Worst Generation?! But then there're the forces of justice, the Navy reigns supreme!! And the revolutionary army, the will of the people is stocked with fighters to be reckoned with!!!".
According to Akainu? Perhaps I'm missing the panel. All I see is Fujitora saying "Let's just put our trust in SSG to do its job. No doubt the world's power balance is about to make a major change!!". He says this prior to knowing of Big Mom and Kaido's alliance.
In the same chapter, Akainu says "We're not touching Wano!! We don't have the manpower to spare on this at the moment". What's implied here is that they can spare manpower on 2 emperors during normal circumstances, but not with the events they have to deal with at the moment.
Overall, besides a lot of quotes taken out of context and some flat out nonsensical conclusions, you aren't doing much to sell your case of "1 yonko = navy".
In fact, you've completely ignored the very root of this discussion which was Garp's words in Chapter 434. If you want, feel free to ping any translators to put an end to this discussion by confirming whether or not Garp was talking about "one of the yonko" or "the yonko as a whole".
Ivankov says "The government doesn't want Whitebeard AND Dragon on their case at the same time".
In both instances, it's about not wanting these things to happen rather than not being able to deal with them. This same idea holds even with real-world examples, it doesn't take more than 30 seconds to understand this concept.
Yes, and Don Krieg said he was the World's Strongest Man. I think I know who I'll trust between a joke character and Garp.
I think you might want to re-read 956. There are 2 major things that the Navy is dealing with, not one. First is the incident with the Alabasta Kingdom and second is the abolition of the Warlord System. Koby says the Navy can't keep up prior to even hearing the Yonko news.
Garp says "There's no point worrying!! If they return, they'll be a threat but events will find a way to surpass our imagination anyway!".
Not whatever nonsense you were trying to claim.
Yes. The same war where a grand total of 0 admirals were defeated and where the only warlord who lost was because of another warlord. I am sure this strengthens your case of "Navy = 1 yonko".
Sengoku says "The fact that we outnumber them doesn't guarantee our victory! They could still wipe us out! That man has the power to destroy the world!!". The threat created by Whitebeard is because of his devil fruit and because of the danger it poses to Marineford as an island. It doesn't matter if they outnumber them, the danger still exists.
"Everybody listen. Withdraw and allow me to save face."
The war ended once Sengoku agreed to let Shanks handle the burial of both Whitebeard and Ace. He's also the one who declared the war is over at the very end of the chapter, not Shanks.
Feel free to correct me if there are more statements but all I see before the war starts is "Do you think he'll show up? Whitebeard's gotta be pretty old by now. " and "He's an old-fashioned dinosaur. Do you really think he can beat the navy?!"
In fact, most people underestimated him, the only one who treated him with more respect was the pirate who faced him a year ago and who presumably lost to Whitebeard. The unthinkable scenario is Whitebeard winning, not the other way around.
After being shocked that Luffy is Ace's brother, she tells Luff that "Hmm... If Whitebeard should win this war... there might be a way for [Ace] to survive". That's a very big if right there. Consider the fact that she doesn't look all too confident while saying it, it should be enough to understand the trend that's going on here.
No, it isn't.
Yes, with the help of multiple Ancient Weapons. But of course, you forget to include that, per usual.
Yes, he's a powerful fighter, and you could lose a lot of men if you don't approach him carefully. Putting Admirals in positions where they could easily get injured (just because we want to know if they can defeat certain individuals in a 1v1) will never happen. I hope you realise this.
No, you wouldn't need half the navy.
You would just need 1 admiral and they could have a very long and strenuous fight. However, does it make sense for the Navy to let one of their most powerful fighters get injured just to fulfill our headcanon of who beats who in 1v1 fights? No.
I hope you see how your conclusion is wrong.
4 Emperors give protection to one-half of the grand line. The Navy and the Warlords give protection to another half. This actually does more to prove my point and less to prove yours.
"Who rules this stretch of water?!! Is it one of the four emperors of the sea?! Perhaps the seven warlords, who use their trickery to get by?! Maybe those brats in the Worst Generation?! But then there're the forces of justice, the Navy reigns supreme!! And the revolutionary army, the will of the people is stocked with fighters to be reckoned with!!!".
According to Akainu? Perhaps I'm missing the panel. All I see is Fujitora saying "Let's just put our trust in SSG to do its job. No doubt the world's power balance is about to make a major change!!". He says this prior to knowing of Big Mom and Kaido's alliance.
In the same chapter, Akainu says "We're not touching Wano!! We don't have the manpower to spare on this at the moment". What's implied here is that they can spare manpower on 2 emperors during normal circumstances, but not with the events they have to deal with at the moment.
Overall, besides a lot of quotes taken out of context and some flat out nonsensical conclusions, you aren't doing much to sell your case of "1 yonko = navy".
In fact, you've completely ignored the very root of this discussion which was Garp's words in Chapter 434. If you want, feel free to ping any translators to put an end to this discussion by confirming whether or not Garp was talking about "one of the yonko" or "the yonko as a whole".
No , never a direct statement . but the Marine HQ and the 7 Warlords & their crews were balancing the 4 Emperor crews , implying Marine HQ and 7 Warlords would be able to defeat 2 Emperor crews .
those 3 were the 3 Great Powers that were in the balance .
correct me if i'm wrong on this , but i think Sengoku said that because Kaido and BM had a cat and dog relationship , which Sengoku said by himself in 957 ( before saying "i wouldn't have expected this to happen" ) .
in the official translation , Akainu never said this , as far as i remember though .
it's unknown if the situation between Marines , Warlords , and Emperors was considered a balance at that time though . maybe Marines and Warlords had an upper hand at that time
prime Garp and his men needed Roger Pirates' help to defeat Rocks . this doesn't necessarily prove the entire Old Gen Navy including prime Garp himself , prime Kong , prime Sengoku , prime Tsuru and numerous other Marines and battleships etc. wouldn't have been able to defeat Rocks
a Kaido-Big Mom alliance would be a massive power , and it's not like the Navy would have an easy time dealing with them since they were so busy dealing with results of Alabasta incident , the former Warlords including an Emperor level guy in Mihawk , and the man whose strength is similar to young Whitebeard's , escorting the 50 Kings & Queens back to their respective countries all over the planet , and staying near Mariejois to defend it
( Marine HQ is the gate to Mariejois )
plus Kaido and Big Mom were at each other's throats the previous day . it was completely normal for Coby to be surprised by the news of them allying
what the basis for this ? i don't remember Garp or anyone saying or implying the Navy would need a whopping half of the Navy to deal with Ray .
that means 2/4 of FA + 3 Admirals , half of ~ 15 to 20 VAs , and half of lower ranked officers including the 100.000 + soldiers in the world ?
both of these are not true since the 7 Warlords and crews were on the World Gov's side to begin with , they were allying with Marine HQ to counterbalance the other Great Power ( 4 Emperor crews ) .
besides , the Navy is significantly stronger than any Emperor crew or any version of 7 Warlords and crews .
What does this mean
BM said with Elbaf , she would have defeated Shanks , Kaido , and even WB . didn't say a single thing about the Navy
and then he said the Navy reigns supreme .
and then Kaido thought the SSG would be "capable of stopping us" ( the Beasts Pirates ... )
Kaido's words also implied he knew it was the 7 Warlords and crews who were previously supposed to stop Beasts Pirates
( or any other single Emperor crew )
and this makes sense , the 7 Warlords did have enough power to give a hell of a fight to 1 Emperor crew , at least pre TS :
• Mihawk has always been on the level of Emperors
• Weevil/Yami Teach/prime Moria were capable of pushing or beating the YC1s after a difficult fight , or have a draw
• prime Kuma and Doflamingo would fight the YC2 and 3
• Law/Jinbe/Hancock/Crocodile would fight the likes of Snack/Who's Who/Sasaki
• Doflamingo's executives would take on the likes of Veterans and weaker Flying Six
• the Warlords' Giants
(Oars/Hajrudin-Stansen-Goldberg-Rodo-Gerd ) would take on the Charlotte Decuplets
( who can fuse into a Giant ) , or Numbers
etc.
infact the 7 Warlords were prepared
( probably by Marines' strategists - Sengoku and Tsuru ) to be the main fighters against Whitebeard Pirates in MF :
had this went as planned , the fitting fights would've been like this :
• Mihawk vs Whitebeard
• Yami Teach vs Marco
• Doflamingo vs Jozu
• Kuma vs Vista
• Jinbe vs strongest Commander after Vista
• Hancock vs strongest Commander after the one Jinbe fights
• Moria vs Curiel ( like it was )
• 15 - 20 Vice Admirals bar Garp , 20 Pacifistas , and 100.000 soldiers vs the 43 Allied Captains and their crews bar Oars Jr
• 8 Giants Squad vs Oars Jr ( like it was )
with the 5 strongest Marines ( Sengoku Akainu Aokiji Kizaru Garp ) staying on the execution platform , guarding it .
doesn't mean the Marines/the World Government should have never tried to balance them . plus those 3 weren't friends with all Emperors , and negotiations could be tried
and only some of them were friends with Emperors .
- Croc held a grudge to Whitebeard and wasn't a friend to any of Emperors
- Hancock wasn't a friend to any of them
- Weevil wasn't a friend to any Emperor when he was a Warlord ( infact he considered Teach an enemy )
- Law wasn't
- Moria wasn't ( infact he held a grudge to Kaido since their war 23 years ago )
- Teach wasn't ( violated the most important rule in WB's ship , and then got out , hunted by Ace , and with his crew killed WB
also his unfriendly relationship with Shanks )
- Kuma wasn't .
the Navy preventing the meeting of 2 Emperors is cautious move , and doesn't necessarily show that they didn't have enough power to defeat 2 Emperors .
a fight between Kizaru and Ray would take a considerable time to reach an end , and Ray likely had higher end attacks capable of even destroying Sabaody . Kizaru himself likely had Awakening with possible environmental altering abilities like Akainu/Aokiji , and his higher end attacks could probably destroy Sabaody too . other than greatly damaging the island , this fight could damage the civilians . it's possible that Kizaru wanted to prevent all the possible damages with preparation
that alliance would include 3 top tiers : Roger Shiki Ray . and Shiki said that Roger knew the location of something major , possibly an Ancient Weapon .
where did Shutenmaru say that ?
it was Shanks and Sengoku stopping the war , Shanks asking for it and Sengoku approving it ( and Sengoku did it without being intimidated by Shanks ) .
he said that while grinning .
plus he said it were the "events" that would surpass their imagination . this "events" is vague , did he mean something related to the power that would be created if Kaido-Big Mom allied , like how much damages they could cause , or instead the damages that Luffy and other Worst Gen would inflict on their alliance ?
but he did imply that they had forces capable of stopping Kaido and Big Mom from meeting , but couldn't be utilized on them because they were all dedicated to protecting the royalty in the Reverie .
and then there is Tokikake saying Big Mom probably took what Garp said into account .
No , he likely meant against all of these :
• former Warlords
- World's Strongest Swordsman Dracule Mihawk
- "as strong as young Whitebeard" Edward Weevil
- Empress of Amazon Lily Boa Hancock
- Buggy and his army
• results of Alabasta incident
• escorting 50 Kings & Queens who participated in Reverie back to their countries all over the OP Planet ( like Garp escorting Shirahoshi and Neptune etc. to Fishman Island )
and these were on top of their main task of guarding Mariejois - the place where Celestial Dragons reside .
those 3 were the 3 Great Powers that were in the balance .
in the official translation , Akainu never said this , as far as i remember though .
it's unknown if the situation between Marines , Warlords , and Emperors was considered a balance at that time though . maybe Marines and Warlords had an upper hand at that time
prime Garp and his men needed Roger Pirates' help to defeat Rocks . this doesn't necessarily prove the entire Old Gen Navy including prime Garp himself , prime Kong , prime Sengoku , prime Tsuru and numerous other Marines and battleships etc. wouldn't have been able to defeat Rocks
a Kaido-Big Mom alliance would be a massive power , and it's not like the Navy would have an easy time dealing with them since they were so busy dealing with results of Alabasta incident , the former Warlords including an Emperor level guy in Mihawk , and the man whose strength is similar to young Whitebeard's , escorting the 50 Kings & Queens back to their respective countries all over the planet , and staying near Mariejois to defend it
( Marine HQ is the gate to Mariejois )
plus Kaido and Big Mom were at each other's throats the previous day . it was completely normal for Coby to be surprised by the news of them allying
that means 2/4 of FA + 3 Admirals , half of ~ 15 to 20 VAs , and half of lower ranked officers including the 100.000 + soldiers in the world ?
both of these are not true since the 7 Warlords and crews were on the World Gov's side to begin with , they were allying with Marine HQ to counterbalance the other Great Power ( 4 Emperor crews ) .
besides , the Navy is significantly stronger than any Emperor crew or any version of 7 Warlords and crews .
What does this mean
BM said with Elbaf , she would have defeated Shanks , Kaido , and even WB . didn't say a single thing about the Navy
and then he said the Navy reigns supreme .
Kaido's words also implied he knew it was the 7 Warlords and crews who were previously supposed to stop Beasts Pirates
( or any other single Emperor crew )
and this makes sense , the 7 Warlords did have enough power to give a hell of a fight to 1 Emperor crew , at least pre TS :
• Mihawk has always been on the level of Emperors
• Weevil/Yami Teach/prime Moria were capable of pushing or beating the YC1s after a difficult fight , or have a draw
• prime Kuma and Doflamingo would fight the YC2 and 3
• Law/Jinbe/Hancock/Crocodile would fight the likes of Snack/Who's Who/Sasaki
• Doflamingo's executives would take on the likes of Veterans and weaker Flying Six
• the Warlords' Giants
(Oars/Hajrudin-Stansen-Goldberg-Rodo-Gerd ) would take on the Charlotte Decuplets
( who can fuse into a Giant ) , or Numbers
etc.
infact the 7 Warlords were prepared
( probably by Marines' strategists - Sengoku and Tsuru ) to be the main fighters against Whitebeard Pirates in MF :
had this went as planned , the fitting fights would've been like this :
• Mihawk vs Whitebeard
• Yami Teach vs Marco
• Doflamingo vs Jozu
• Kuma vs Vista
• Jinbe vs strongest Commander after Vista
• Hancock vs strongest Commander after the one Jinbe fights
• Moria vs Curiel ( like it was )
• 15 - 20 Vice Admirals bar Garp , 20 Pacifistas , and 100.000 soldiers vs the 43 Allied Captains and their crews bar Oars Jr
• 8 Giants Squad vs Oars Jr ( like it was )
with the 5 strongest Marines ( Sengoku Akainu Aokiji Kizaru Garp ) staying on the execution platform , guarding it .
and only some of them were friends with Emperors .
- Croc held a grudge to Whitebeard and wasn't a friend to any of Emperors
- Hancock wasn't a friend to any of them
- Weevil wasn't a friend to any Emperor when he was a Warlord ( infact he considered Teach an enemy )
- Law wasn't
- Moria wasn't ( infact he held a grudge to Kaido since their war 23 years ago )
- Teach wasn't ( violated the most important rule in WB's ship , and then got out , hunted by Ace , and with his crew killed WB
also his unfriendly relationship with Shanks )
- Kuma wasn't .
the Navy preventing the meeting of 2 Emperors is cautious move , and doesn't necessarily show that they didn't have enough power to defeat 2 Emperors .
a fight between Kizaru and Ray would take a considerable time to reach an end , and Ray likely had higher end attacks capable of even destroying Sabaody . Kizaru himself likely had Awakening with possible environmental altering abilities like Akainu/Aokiji , and his higher end attacks could probably destroy Sabaody too . other than greatly damaging the island , this fight could damage the civilians . it's possible that Kizaru wanted to prevent all the possible damages with preparation
that alliance would include 3 top tiers : Roger Shiki Ray . and Shiki said that Roger knew the location of something major , possibly an Ancient Weapon .
where did Shutenmaru say that ?
it was Shanks and Sengoku stopping the war , Shanks asking for it and Sengoku approving it ( and Sengoku did it without being intimidated by Shanks ) .
he said that while grinning .
plus he said it were the "events" that would surpass their imagination . this "events" is vague , did he mean something related to the power that would be created if Kaido-Big Mom allied , like how much damages they could cause , or instead the damages that Luffy and other Worst Gen would inflict on their alliance ?
but he did imply that they had forces capable of stopping Kaido and Big Mom from meeting , but couldn't be utilized on them because they were all dedicated to protecting the royalty in the Reverie .
and then there is Tokikake saying Big Mom probably took what Garp said into account .
• former Warlords
- World's Strongest Swordsman Dracule Mihawk
- "as strong as young Whitebeard" Edward Weevil
- Empress of Amazon Lily Boa Hancock
- Buggy and his army
• results of Alabasta incident
• escorting 50 Kings & Queens who participated in Reverie back to their countries all over the OP Planet ( like Garp escorting Shirahoshi and Neptune etc. to Fishman Island )
and these were on top of their main task of guarding Mariejois - the place where Celestial Dragons reside .
Quotes and words are meaningless. Even if Garp's intent was to say that the Marines + Shichibukai = ONE emperor, we still have actual proof that that isn't the case.
The Marineford War was riddled with sabotage and betrayal. In the end, the Marines won pretty easily as Ace was successfully murdered and WB pirates failed miserably. A lot of the high and top tier Marine guys barely did anything. Tsuna? Sengoku? Garp? But wait, the WB pirates also had help from the main protagnists, revos, AND from the Shichibukais.
So is it really Marines + Shichibukai = one emperor after what has happened? Nope. Not even close.
The Marineford War was riddled with sabotage and betrayal. In the end, the Marines won pretty easily as Ace was successfully murdered and WB pirates failed miserably. A lot of the high and top tier Marine guys barely did anything. Tsuna? Sengoku? Garp? But wait, the WB pirates also had help from the main protagnists, revos, AND from the Shichibukais.
So is it really Marines + Shichibukai = one emperor after what has happened? Nope. Not even close.
Based on the nonsense i've read here i conclude that ppl think if all of the Yonko would suddenly ally with each other in order to take down the WG/Marines the marines would be like:
Wait a minute... that's illegal.
Then they would proceed to accept defeat without any fighting cause they just never expected that to happen and now obviously they just die.
All jokes aside Marines + 7 Shichibukai = Yonko is a worst case scenario balance created by the WG/marines in case all the yonko allied with each other, nothing more or less.
The marines don't actively counterbalance the yonko's influence either.
The yonko are a very good force within the new world because they keep new pirates away from their islands and territories which otherwise would be looted and overrun by random pirate crews and the marines would have to deal with it.
If the yonko didn't exist then the marines would have to take care of everything themselves which is almost impossible.
As long as the yonko only sit around on their islands and by doing that passively protect them the marines have fewer stuff to worry about.
Yonko are only a problem if they make a dangerous move towards other yonko or the WG/Marines.
Wait a minute... that's illegal.Then they would proceed to accept defeat without any fighting cause they just never expected that to happen and now obviously they just die.
All jokes aside Marines + 7 Shichibukai = Yonko is a worst case scenario balance created by the WG/marines in case all the yonko allied with each other, nothing more or less.
The marines don't actively counterbalance the yonko's influence either.
The yonko are a very good force within the new world because they keep new pirates away from their islands and territories which otherwise would be looted and overrun by random pirate crews and the marines would have to deal with it.
If the yonko didn't exist then the marines would have to take care of everything themselves which is almost impossible.
As long as the yonko only sit around on their islands and by doing that passively protect them the marines have fewer stuff to worry about.
Yonko are only a problem if they make a dangerous move towards other yonko or the WG/Marines.
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Don't forget that the World Government never conquered the New World in 800 years, despite having strongholds in it like Dressrossa and Punk Hazard.
The Yonkos fighting against each other meant that the World Government didn't have to deal with elbaf Giants behaving like Vikings again or a second Ryuma coming out of Wano to wreck shit and the countless other powerful kingdoms in the New World who got "tamed" by the Yonkos after centuries of being a pain in the ass for the World Government.
The Yonkos fighting against each other meant that the World Government didn't have to deal with elbaf Giants behaving like Vikings again or a second Ryuma coming out of Wano to wreck shit and the countless other powerful kingdoms in the New World who got "tamed" by the Yonkos after centuries of being a pain in the ass for the World Government.
Aokiji- unscatched from whitebeard
kizaru- no damage at all
akaniu- blew his face off, only came with a cough of blood
you're using whitebeard as an excuse for the yonkos, acting like he wasnt the strongest pirate, the strongest man, and has the strongest crew
Whitebeard> kaido shanks big mom
Aokiji- unscatched from whitebeard
kizaru- no damage at all
akaniu- blew his face off, only came with a cough of blood
you're using whitebeard as an excuse for the yonkos, acting like he wasnt the strongest pirate, the strongest man, and has the strongest crew
Whitebeard> kaido shanks big mom
defeat and capturing are two different things
they wouldnt waste unnecessary resources
and kizaru said he can both take out kaido and big mom take words at your will
when was this? according to fujitora the ssg will tip the favor
also according to garp,
fujitora and greenbull> kaido and big mom
wrong again shanks asked sengoku to stop the war and he did you cant read
the alliance doesnt just mean big mom + kaido its the BMP + BP + their alliances on top of that not just the two yonkos bud dont play that game
aokiji also took one and was perfectly fine
they wouldnt waste unnecessary resources
and kizaru said he can both take out kaido and big mom take words at your will
when was this? according to fujitora the ssg will tip the favor
also according to garp,
wrong again shanks asked sengoku to stop the war and he did you cant read
the alliance doesnt just mean big mom + kaido its the BMP + BP + their alliances on top of that not just the two yonkos bud dont play that game
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aokiji also took one and was perfectly fine
I'm not sure whether you're siding with me here or against me.
Well the only reason the WG was having trouble with that is because of what i stated before.
The marines simply don't have enough resources to take care of everything going on in the world themselves so that's why the yonko are very good for them.
Also as long as the yonko exist and fight each other they prevent other pirates as well as each other from finding and reaching the ONE PIECE which is something the WG doesn't want to happen under any circumstances.
That's also the main reason the marines won't wipe them out even so they could, cause so far they've brought a lot of benefits for the marines.
Akainu shrugged that shit off with ease... if someone takes a lot of damage or gets knocked out Oda usually draws their eyes whitened and wide open. In Akainu's case though his eyes were sharpened and looking directly at WB while he was being attacked. Akainu took less damage from WB than Doflamingo took from a red hawk. And Doflamingo told luffy he lacks strength after he took that red hawk. Akainu could've told WB the same after taking those gura punches.
Garp never fought BB and he never punched Burgess that's anime only.
Well the only reason the WG was having trouble with that is because of what i stated before.
The marines simply don't have enough resources to take care of everything going on in the world themselves so that's why the yonko are very good for them.
Also as long as the yonko exist and fight each other they prevent other pirates as well as each other from finding and reaching the ONE PIECE which is something the WG doesn't want to happen under any circumstances.
That's also the main reason the marines won't wipe them out even so they could, cause so far they've brought a lot of benefits for the marines.
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Akainu shrugged that shit off with ease... if someone takes a lot of damage or gets knocked out Oda usually draws their eyes whitened and wide open. In Akainu's case though his eyes were sharpened and looking directly at WB while he was being attacked. Akainu took less damage from WB than Doflamingo took from a red hawk. And Doflamingo told luffy he lacks strength after he took that red hawk. Akainu could've told WB the same after taking those gura punches.
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Garp never fought BB and he never punched Burgess that's anime only.
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