Zoro is like a Dollar store version of Guts. It bares some resemblance but its nowhere near the quality of the Original. If Zoro had a lot more depth as a character he wouldn't be too far from Guts tho.
Yet Zoro is still the second most popular character in the most popular manga in history. You’d imagine with all that lAcK oF cHaRaCtER dEvElOpmEnT he’d be far below.
Yet Zoro is still the second most popular character in the most popular manga in history. You’d imagine with all that lAcK oF cHaRaCtER dEvElOpmEnT he’d be far below.
People can enjoy a character even without character development. That's like saying everybody doesn't like Kaido because he doesn't have any character development.
People can enjoy a character even without character development. That's like saying everybody doesn't like Kaido because he doesn't have any character development.
Yea, that’s my point. People still enjoy Zoro more despite the lAcK oF cHaRacTeR dEvElOpMeNt. To compare, Sanji needs Black Maria character development feats to stay relevant. Zoro just needs to make a panel appearance and it’s a 10/10 chapter. Zoro got that shanks/mihawk level panel clout.
I love how these are legitimate parallels between Zoro/Guts (even with the one eye that I didn’t include) and Sanji fans/Zoro haters came in hot guns blazing saying no no no it shows the salt that lolji needs to beef with Zoro fans to get any recognition. You wanna criticize? Why don’t you go look for parallels between Sanji and another top tier Seinen/Shounen character that doesn’t involve pansy cooking
I love how these are legitimate parallels between Zoro/Guts (even with the one eye that I didn’t include) and Sanji fans/Zoro haters came in hot guns blazing saying no no no it shows the salt that lolji needs to beef with Zoro fans to get any recognition. You wanna criticize? Why don’t you go look for parallels between Sanji and another top tier Seinen/Shounen character that doesn’t involve pansy cooking
Correction. I’m comparing battered helpless weak Eclipse Griffith sacrificing his squad and best partners to Sanji.
Pretimeskip and Post time skip Griffith is too good for Sanji. Just that fractal of time, in Griffiths lowest point is he comparable to the entire garbage character that is Sanji.
Correction. I’m comparing battered helpless weak Eclipse Griffith sacrificing his squad and best partners to Sanji.
Pretimeskip and Post time skip Griffith is too good for Sanji. Just that fractal of time, in Griffiths lowest point is he comparable to the entire garbage character that is Sanji.
Guys, One Piece is written for 15 year olds. How much depth do you expect from the characters? Can you imagine Oda making Zoro kill a child? Heck, Oda can't even kill Pell or Baum. Its easier for a seinen to develop deeper settings. Nevertheless, Zoro is GOAT in a shonen settings, I cant think of any comparable seinen version of the "nothing happened" moment.
Stop simping/extreme nose bleeding and sexually degenerate behavior.
Respect other characters/crew members.
Stop throwing crew members under the bus and being a liability.
Use his cooking skills to actually make his crew stronger (like super anime protein or something).
Use his charm with women to seduce women onto his side. With Viola it was done expertly.
Continue doing Mr Prince worthy things, like opening Gates of Justice doors.
Stop feeding dog shit food to Luffy, Chopper, Zoro, Usopp; and good food to Nami/Robin/Anything 6+ with a pussy.
Stop simping/extreme nose bleeding and sexually degenerate behavior.
Respect other characters/crew members.
Stop throwing crew members under the bus and being a liability.
Use his cooking skills to actually make his crew stronger (like super anime protein or something).
Use his charm with women to seduce women onto his side. With Viola it was done expertly.
Continue doing Mr Prince worthy things, like opening Gates of Justice doors.
Stop feeding dog shit food to Luffy, Chopper, Zoro, Usopp; and good food to Nami/Robin/Anything 6+ with a pussy.
But the problem is the shounen troupe. Shounen mangaka have to create variety of characters and not just some serious and stoic characters. Oda has to create character like Sanji for funny personality and such. Not every characters has to be serious all the time.
But the problem is the shounen troupe. Shounen mangaka have to create variety of characters and not just some serious and stoic characters. Oda has to create character like Sanji for funny personality and such. Not every characters has to be serious all the time.
There is not a single line about combat/stoicism/seriousness. Charisma/Being Funny is a thing. That’s why Luffy works. And that’s why Usopp works. Sanji is a mix of these two done poorly, yet can be done flawlessly.
Zoro is done perfectly. Oda is capable of making Sanji great. He gave Senor Pink astounding character development. But Sanji has been written with saltiness. Just my two cents.
People can scream character development and compare Sanji/Black Maria to Shanks/The Bandit all they want. But it’s not gonna change that this grown ass man was getting fiddled by a mid tier combatant begging to be saved by someone who the world is searching for on Loud speaker. This is character regression at its finest.
Some nice finds you got there. I've been saying since before a lot of these kids were old enough to even be allowed to read Berserk that Zoro draws a lot of inspiration from Guts.
Kaido seems to draw his inspiration from a mish-mash of characters. Notably Yujiro Hanma from Baki, and Uighur from Fist of the North Star.
It's been awhile since I read through Baki, but the one that sticks to me off the top of the head is that both their Epithets are the World's Strongest Creature. That's when I started looking for parallels and found quite a bit of One Piece drawing inspiration from Baki. If I get some time I'll try to go back and refresh my memory, because l never wrote it down the first time I was making parallels between the two, but I just remember as I was reading through Baki I kept getting holy shit moments.
Edit: Oh, also, Yujiro is known as "Ogre" and Kaido has the whole "Oni" theme going on.
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