Future Events Borsalino's Future Opponent is Zoro
TopTier fights from people stronger than yonkos like Mihawk&Kizaru last for days, there sending 100+ elite marine soldiers with SSG Capturing =/= Defeating
capturing is so much holder you gotta make sure there not killed and subdued enough
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No reason to merge this thread tho!
Oda says Sanji specialize in CoO, you need great coO for kizaru
both are speed-fighters
However for Zoro it's
Kizaru get right-hand Thats about it
Sanji also gets portrayed as the right-hand too though, no one officially a right-hand in the SH
also if we assume zoro does get the 2nd strongest what about now? hes going after Kaido does that mean Big mom>Kaido?
both are speed-fighters
However for Zoro it's
Kizaru get right-hand Thats about it
Sanji also gets portrayed as the right-hand too though, no one officially a right-hand in the SH
also if we assume zoro does get the 2nd strongest what about now? hes going after Kaido does that mean Big mom>Kaido?
I'm still not convinced that Sanji is more suitable to fight Kizaru. For me it's just wishful thinking from his fans.
The fact is Kizaru is supposedly the fastest guy in OnePiece verse (with the exception of Enel I guess) at his maximum capacity.
So making a Sanji vs Kizaru, because of their speed abilities, implies that Sanji will transcend himself to surpass ultimate light speed.
The problem is that Sanji is not the kind of guy to repeatedly push away his limits.
The only way I can see him fight Kizaru on equal terms is with his Raid Suit because of its invisibility power : making something invisible is like bending the light, therefore the light can't touch an invisible object.
So Sanji will be indestructible to all of Kizaru's light attacks, but does that mean that he can badly hurt Kizaru ?
I'm not sure. I think that he won't be able to keep up with Kizaru's speed and if Kizaru finds a way to get rid of the Raid Suit then Sanji is done for.
The only one I can see beating Kizaru 100% sure is Shiryu if he awake his devil fruit.
The fact is Kizaru is supposedly the fastest guy in OnePiece verse (with the exception of Enel I guess) at his maximum capacity.
So making a Sanji vs Kizaru, because of their speed abilities, implies that Sanji will transcend himself to surpass ultimate light speed.
The problem is that Sanji is not the kind of guy to repeatedly push away his limits.
The only way I can see him fight Kizaru on equal terms is with his Raid Suit because of its invisibility power : making something invisible is like bending the light, therefore the light can't touch an invisible object.
So Sanji will be indestructible to all of Kizaru's light attacks, but does that mean that he can badly hurt Kizaru ?
I'm not sure. I think that he won't be able to keep up with Kizaru's speed and if Kizaru finds a way to get rid of the Raid Suit then Sanji is done for.
The only one I can see beating Kizaru 100% sure is Shiryu if he awake his devil fruit.
Or you ignoring that sanji has very good CoO and it will be good enough to fight kizaru, he doesn't need to surpass anything 
If Sanji is a COO specialist then he's supposed to fight someone with great COO to prove his superior skills in COO. In that sense, Fujitora would be more suitable for Sanji than Kizaru. Specialization in COO is not a prerequisite to fight Kizaru, you just need high-level COO for it and Zoro will eventually acquire it as COO is gonna play a vital role in fighting Shiryu, The Invisible Man, and Mihawk, the man nicknamed 'Hawk Eye'.
Sanji is fast but speed is never a distinctive quality about Sanji that separates him from the other M3 like swordsmanship is for Zoro. Speed is quite literally never the basis or even a semi-motive for choosing an opponent for Sanji so I don't see the logic behind Sanji fights Kizaru because he is fast. The ability to use kicks with sparking legs is the only aspect about Kizaru that connects him with Sanji. It's the only logical reason we can use to say Sanji may fight Kizaru.
Not that I think Sanji will get an admiral opponent; However, if there is an admiral who has anything significant in common with Sanji and has even an ounce of chance at being his opponent, it would be Green Bull.
Sanji is fast but speed is never a distinctive quality about Sanji that separates him from the other M3 like swordsmanship is for Zoro. Speed is quite literally never the basis or even a semi-motive for choosing an opponent for Sanji so I don't see the logic behind Sanji fights Kizaru because he is fast. The ability to use kicks with sparking legs is the only aspect about Kizaru that connects him with Sanji. It's the only logical reason we can use to say Sanji may fight Kizaru.
Not that I think Sanji will get an admiral opponent; However, if there is an admiral who has anything significant in common with Sanji and has even an ounce of chance at being his opponent, it would be Green Bull.
What's the best way to prove your CoO, not facing fujitora but vsing the fastest man in the world
Good point, but fujitora isn't even a swordsmen so I dont know, but that would also mean sanji would have to get better at CoA.
Why zoro gotta face someone thats not an swordsmen? Theres like nothing for kizaru vs zoro happening
Greenbull is the strongest admiral of the New 3, you sure? zoro fans will be mad
Good point, but fujitora isn't even a swordsmen so I dont know, but that would also mean sanji would have to get better at CoA.
Why zoro gotta face someone thats not an swordsmen? Theres like nothing for kizaru vs zoro happening
Greenbull is the strongest admiral of the New 3, you sure? zoro fans will be mad
What's the best way to prove you're the best swordsman? Beating the current best swordsman. Similarly, the best way to showcase your COO is by beating superior COO. Marco kept up with Kizaru and he isn't even among the best COO users.
Rayleigh is among the greatest swordsmen introduced so far in the series, Kizaru stalemated him with a sword. Ignoring the fact that Kizaru was never actually named a swordsman by the writer, he is more of a swordsman than any other admiral including Fujitora. Forget about the admirals, Kizaru demonstrated better sword skills than 99% of swordsmen in OP. Zoro traditionally takes on the swordsman opponent but that doesn't mean he doesn't fight people with different fighting styles. Pica, for example, is similar to Kizaru in that they're both skilled at swordsmanship but their real strength comes from their devils' fruit. Kizaru actually fits in the criterion for being Zoro's opponent, he is a competent swordsman who is more than likely the current strongest admiral because he always took on the number 2's of their respective factions. In other words, he is next to only Akainu in strength which means Zoros's chances of fighting him are rather high.
What do you mean by there is no reason for Kizaru VS Zoro? Kizaru literally put a hole in Zoro's body and almost murdered him. Zoro's encounter with Kizaru resulted in him getting separated from his crew. Coincidentally, a vice-captain ended up saving his ass from Kizaru. Similar things happened b/w Luffy and Akainu if you think about it. Akainu almost murdered Luffy but he was saved by Shanks, a captain, and this encounter resulted in Luffy getting separated from Ace.
We don't know enough about DB to confirm he's going to be the strongest. GB has things that go in line with a potential opponent for Sanji. Idc if anyone gets mad over it but it is a fact.
Rayleigh is among the greatest swordsmen introduced so far in the series, Kizaru stalemated him with a sword. Ignoring the fact that Kizaru was never actually named a swordsman by the writer, he is more of a swordsman than any other admiral including Fujitora. Forget about the admirals, Kizaru demonstrated better sword skills than 99% of swordsmen in OP. Zoro traditionally takes on the swordsman opponent but that doesn't mean he doesn't fight people with different fighting styles. Pica, for example, is similar to Kizaru in that they're both skilled at swordsmanship but their real strength comes from their devils' fruit. Kizaru actually fits in the criterion for being Zoro's opponent, he is a competent swordsman who is more than likely the current strongest admiral because he always took on the number 2's of their respective factions. In other words, he is next to only Akainu in strength which means Zoros's chances of fighting him are rather high.
What do you mean by there is no reason for Kizaru VS Zoro? Kizaru literally put a hole in Zoro's body and almost murdered him. Zoro's encounter with Kizaru resulted in him getting separated from his crew. Coincidentally, a vice-captain ended up saving his ass from Kizaru. Similar things happened b/w Luffy and Akainu if you think about it. Akainu almost murdered Luffy but he was saved by Shanks, a captain, and this encounter resulted in Luffy getting separated from Ace.
We don't know enough about DB to confirm he's going to be the strongest. GB has things that go in line with a potential opponent for Sanji. Idc if anyone gets mad over it but it is a fact.
Marco databook says hes skilled in haki, he cant be that bad tracking kizaru lasers, but he couldn't track kizaru himself
O,But kizaru is actually not a swordsmen though, yes he stalemated rayleigh in his sword-skill, there's other way of kizaru fighting than just using the sword, Kizaru Vs Marco, Kizaru vs Whitebeard, Kizaru vs raykugo, rayleigh for sure was his most toughest battle he resorted in cqc to fight but to say he is a swordsman is not true to me maybe now on Fujitora case yes you can call him a swordsmen
Oda is very serious on words,
Instead of calling Fujitora a swordsman he calls him blind swords user
Oda does call Luffy an swordsmen though, 士 you can see the kanji that represents swordsmen so I was wondering what was stopping him from giving Fuji swordsmen??
What's DB and I respect/like the post, good points you make, sorry you gotta deal with trash tier poster like me, but one last question
If you think Zoro always fights the 2nd strongest wouldn't that mean Bigmom>Kaido?
O,But kizaru is actually not a swordsmen though, yes he stalemated rayleigh in his sword-skill, there's other way of kizaru fighting than just using the sword, Kizaru Vs Marco, Kizaru vs Whitebeard, Kizaru vs raykugo, rayleigh for sure was his most toughest battle he resorted in cqc to fight but to say he is a swordsman is not true to me maybe now on Fujitora case yes you can call him a swordsmen
Oda is very serious on words,
What's DB and I respect/like the post, good points you make, sorry you gotta deal with trash tier poster like me, but one last question
If you think Zoro always fights the 2nd strongest wouldn't that mean Bigmom>Kaido?
I feel like it should be fujitora.
By portrayal, Fujitora seems to be the strongest haki user amongst the admirals. He is blind, meaning he is basically useless in combat without CoO, so we know his CoO has to be top tier.
He's also a powerful swordsman and the fact that he pulls out his sword even to use basic gravity techniques indicates he is a swordsman first and a gravity user second. I don't think the same can be said about kizaru. Due to this, imo Fujitora is a master of ryuo and should easily be able to replicate zoro's feat of blasting so much haki into his sword that it begins to steam.
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Also, from a character perspective I think fujitora is much more interesting than kizaru. Like you said, Fujitora is a good person and isn't on board with everything the WG or akainu does. The fact that he is willing to stand up to akainu shows that he has a powerful will of his own and isn't just akainu's pawn.
I think this parallels zoro in that he has his dream outside of Luffy's and also isn't just luffy's pawn.
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Lastly, given how Fujitora wanted to end the shichibukai system, I think its very possible he has some sort of grudge against mihawk, which would make for a very interesting fight between him and zoro
By portrayal, Fujitora seems to be the strongest haki user amongst the admirals. He is blind, meaning he is basically useless in combat without CoO, so we know his CoO has to be top tier.
He's also a powerful swordsman and the fact that he pulls out his sword even to use basic gravity techniques indicates he is a swordsman first and a gravity user second. I don't think the same can be said about kizaru. Due to this, imo Fujitora is a master of ryuo and should easily be able to replicate zoro's feat of blasting so much haki into his sword that it begins to steam.
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Also, from a character perspective I think fujitora is much more interesting than kizaru. Like you said, Fujitora is a good person and isn't on board with everything the WG or akainu does. The fact that he is willing to stand up to akainu shows that he has a powerful will of his own and isn't just akainu's pawn.
I think this parallels zoro in that he has his dream outside of Luffy's and also isn't just luffy's pawn.
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Lastly, given how Fujitora wanted to end the shichibukai system, I think its very possible he has some sort of grudge against mihawk, which would make for a very interesting fight between him and zoro
All admirals have strong haki, but there are still levels even to advanced haki
I don't think it makes much sense for a blind swordsman to have haki comparable to a light logia. Fuji is obviously much more dependent on haki than kizaru.
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people keep saying this but like I said, we don't know his backstory
he's obviously been hurt by pirates
not every good marine is going to switch sides.
I don't think it makes much sense for a blind swordsman to have haki comparable to a light logia. Fuji is obviously much more dependent on haki than kizaru.
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people keep saying this but like I said, we don't know his backstory
he's obviously been hurt by pirates
not every good marine is going to switch sides.
