General & Others Compiling a list of Wano Criticisms
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Tama is a monster, she is not only enslaving the enemies like Kaido does with torture but she also completely erase the souls of her victims who suddenly become her slaves even if they were the most loyals followers of Kaido. And like for the SMILES they are forced to wear a smile even if most likely their inner self is screaming in terror but we can't even hear them, at least the Wano citizens kept their mind free but Tama doesn't permit this.
I think a lot of this is the result of reading week by week, being exposed to far more opinions and criticism and developing expectations.
I felt the same way back in Dressrosa, specially during the whole birdcage segment, where i felt like Oda was just aggravating his fans by having Luffy's power have a timer and the whole countdown just felt like Oda trying to create fake hype or something, and Dressrosa as a whole was heavily criticized by forums like this pretty much until it ended.
And while i do think a lot the criticism against it still stands, i reread it not long ago and was reminded of why i love OP so much.
From Kyros' and Corazon's backstory, to Luffy standing up for Law, the colosseum warriors taking out the Donquixote executives, i felt excitement throughout the entire climax of that arc. What i remember as a months long and agonizing wait for Bellamy to be put down by Luffy and the birdcage to shrink, was consumed in like an hour by me upon rereading.
I felt the same way back in Dressrosa, specially during the whole birdcage segment, where i felt like Oda was just aggravating his fans by having Luffy's power have a timer and the whole countdown just felt like Oda trying to create fake hype or something, and Dressrosa as a whole was heavily criticized by forums like this pretty much until it ended.
And while i do think a lot the criticism against it still stands, i reread it not long ago and was reminded of why i love OP so much.
From Kyros' and Corazon's backstory, to Luffy standing up for Law, the colosseum warriors taking out the Donquixote executives, i felt excitement throughout the entire climax of that arc. What i remember as a months long and agonizing wait for Bellamy to be put down by Luffy and the birdcage to shrink, was consumed in like an hour by me upon rereading.
It’s the same criticism though. If Kaido can’t take it when the scabbards give him paper cuts, how does he expect to endure it when Shanks cuts his head off? Or when Akainu blows his brains out?
A dude who is already screaming in pain from minor wounds won’t want anything to do with the big bois. He’ll be crying himself all the way to Impel Down.
And it’s also like I said earlier: Akainu gritted his teeth through island shattering blows to the head and stomach, Shanks didn’t flinch when his arm got taken off, Ace got a hole blown clean through his chest but didn’t react to it...,
But Kaido screams in pain when Kinemon cuts his lip??? There’s an inconsistency here. Kaido is too big of a bitch to be craving these large scale wars. His ambition is inconsistent with his actual character. He has the ambition of a warmonger but the demeanor of a coward.
With Big Mom and Teach, screaming in pain makes sense. Teach isn’t a warmonger, he wants to get to the top of the world through dirty pirate schemes, and plus he takes additional damage from his Devil Fruit. Big Mom at heart is a child who has never been disciplined, it is literally woven into her character that she doesn’t know how to deal with pain or adversity,
With Kaido, he’s just a complete failure and there’s no way around it. There is no way for a flashback to justify how inconsistent he is.
How exactly? Lmfao, all we’ve gotten from him since the start of the raid is cliched fanfic dialogue like “muh durability” and “how is this possible?”
Literally nothing about Kaido has improved since the raid began. All we’ve gotten since then is horrible dialogue and him screaming in pain left and right.
A dude who is already screaming in pain from minor wounds won’t want anything to do with the big bois. He’ll be crying himself all the way to Impel Down.
And it’s also like I said earlier: Akainu gritted his teeth through island shattering blows to the head and stomach, Shanks didn’t flinch when his arm got taken off, Ace got a hole blown clean through his chest but didn’t react to it...,
But Kaido screams in pain when Kinemon cuts his lip??? There’s an inconsistency here. Kaido is too big of a bitch to be craving these large scale wars. His ambition is inconsistent with his actual character. He has the ambition of a warmonger but the demeanor of a coward.
With Big Mom and Teach, screaming in pain makes sense. Teach isn’t a warmonger, he wants to get to the top of the world through dirty pirate schemes, and plus he takes additional damage from his Devil Fruit. Big Mom at heart is a child who has never been disciplined, it is literally woven into her character that she doesn’t know how to deal with pain or adversity,
With Kaido, he’s just a complete failure and there’s no way around it. There is no way for a flashback to justify how inconsistent he is.
How exactly? Lmfao, all we’ve gotten from him since the start of the raid is cliched fanfic dialogue like “muh durability” and “how is this possible?”
Literally nothing about Kaido has improved since the raid began. All we’ve gotten since then is horrible dialogue and him screaming in pain left and right.
You're overblowing things and wanking everyone else too much. Akainu, Shanks, Mihawk or whoever else is top tier are all suceptible to pain and will be brought down from whatever unreasonable standard you have them in.
You're undermining Kaido's feats and how he's been taking all of the SN's attacks because he was legitimately surprised he felt pain from the scabbard's swords? Even though we haven't seen him wail in "terror" since?
You're being let down by your own expectations.
You're undermining Kaido's feats and how he's been taking all of the SN's attacks because he was legitimately surprised he felt pain from the scabbard's swords? Even though we haven't seen him wail in "terror" since?
You're being let down by your own expectations.
J
How can I forget the biggest mistakes which ruined wano?
Kaido being in wano for over 20 years! The 5 year stupid dancing plot !
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Maybe kaido should not fall here
And he and BM go to wage war against WG
Final war will be between WG vs rocks duo vs SNs
Cause how can we be in an arc where the Main villain hasn't gotten his own flashbacks despite it being 90+ chapters long already.
Kaido being in wano for over 20 years! The 5 year stupid dancing plot !
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Maybe kaido should not fall here
And he and BM go to wage war against WG
Final war will be between WG vs rocks duo vs SNs
Cause how can we be in an arc where the Main villain hasn't gotten his own flashbacks despite it being 90+ chapters long already.
And you’re completely missing the point of the criticism.
The problem with Kaido is not that he feels pain...the problem is that Kaido’s reaction to pain is completely and irreparably inconsistent with his grand ambitions. Someone who craves excitement and adrenaline should relish in pain. Someone who seeks a glorious death should love the feeling of pain, as pain is exactly what should make someone like Kaido feel alive in the first place.
All of those other characters who endure pain like champs, Kaido should endure pain better than 100% of them. But he screams like a bitch with every minor injury he takes, partially because Oda is too lazy as an artist to actually draw the injuries that Kaido is taking and instead just relies on ruining Kaido’s entire character by having him scream in pain to indicate to us that he is in fact taking injury.
Nibba I broke my thumb once when I was 11 and didn’t scream as much as Kaido screams from getting paper cuts. I know guys who have broken major bones and had no reaction to it, but Kaido is over here screaming his brains out every time he takes a small cut.
If my expectation was that Kaido would actually be consistent, or shit on that, if my expectation was that Kaido would even be moderately cool, then sure, I’ve been let down by my own expectations. I expected Kaido to at the very least be cool if he wasn’t well written, but 11 year old girls could give Kaido a lesson on how to not look like so much of a bitch when taking a minor injury.
The problem with Kaido is not that he feels pain...the problem is that Kaido’s reaction to pain is completely and irreparably inconsistent with his grand ambitions. Someone who craves excitement and adrenaline should relish in pain. Someone who seeks a glorious death should love the feeling of pain, as pain is exactly what should make someone like Kaido feel alive in the first place.
All of those other characters who endure pain like champs, Kaido should endure pain better than 100% of them. But he screams like a bitch with every minor injury he takes, partially because Oda is too lazy as an artist to actually draw the injuries that Kaido is taking and instead just relies on ruining Kaido’s entire character by having him scream in pain to indicate to us that he is in fact taking injury.
Nibba I broke my thumb once when I was 11 and didn’t scream as much as Kaido screams from getting paper cuts. I know guys who have broken major bones and had no reaction to it, but Kaido is over here screaming his brains out every time he takes a small cut.
If my expectation was that Kaido would actually be consistent, or shit on that, if my expectation was that Kaido would even be moderately cool, then sure, I’ve been let down by my own expectations. I expected Kaido to at the very least be cool if he wasn’t well written, but 11 year old girls could give Kaido a lesson on how to not look like so much of a bitch when taking a minor injury.
1. Zoro walking around with the Shusui and getting caught because of it. Why would Kinemon allow that?
2. Kaido thinking he can break the spirits of conquerors. He all of all people should know about their crazy willpower and there's no hint of him ever succeeding in breaking them(there are no other conquerors in his crew that we know of)
3. The SHs not caring about Luffy getting beaten and captured by Kaido
4. Queen allowing Luffy to train his ACOA without a care. He had control of the situation, but still silly nonetheless.
5. BM's amnesia. It was completely contrived and an excuse to get BM to Kaido. Speaking of which....
6. Queen bringing BM to Kaido instead of dumping her in the ocean
7. Kawamatsu's reveal. All that build up for a regular character
8. Kanjuro the traitor. It was obvious but Oda went out of his way to clear him in into flashback for the sake of a swerve and gave him the most convenient personality to pull it off and hide any plot holes. Probably the biggest contrivance.
9. Kyoshiro being Denjiro. It was obvious but once again, Oda used the flashback to try n' sever any connection by having them look different. How? Denjiro got so angry that his face deformed....that's just lazy.
2. Kaido thinking he can break the spirits of conquerors. He all of all people should know about their crazy willpower and there's no hint of him ever succeeding in breaking them(there are no other conquerors in his crew that we know of)
3. The SHs not caring about Luffy getting beaten and captured by Kaido
4. Queen allowing Luffy to train his ACOA without a care. He had control of the situation, but still silly nonetheless.
5. BM's amnesia. It was completely contrived and an excuse to get BM to Kaido. Speaking of which....
6. Queen bringing BM to Kaido instead of dumping her in the ocean
7. Kawamatsu's reveal. All that build up for a regular character
8. Kanjuro the traitor. It was obvious but Oda went out of his way to clear him in into flashback for the sake of a swerve and gave him the most convenient personality to pull it off and hide any plot holes. Probably the biggest contrivance.
9. Kyoshiro being Denjiro. It was obvious but once again, Oda used the flashback to try n' sever any connection by having them look different. How? Denjiro got so angry that his face deformed....that's just lazy.
