General & Others Could the editors be forcing Oda's hands to make Luffy an overpowered protagonist?
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You're sitting here trying to say that Zoro, when he already possessed the attack power to cut Kaido and have him dodge without even using his strongest moveset, couldn't get past Gifters. People showed up to make sure Luffy didn't waste energy on them but that doesn't count.
Between the Apoo attack that he paid back and Indra, Zoro didn't actually get hit in combat. But he had puffy breaths so same thing right.
K thanks for playing
Between the Apoo attack that he paid back and Indra, Zoro didn't actually get hit in combat. But he had puffy breaths so same thing right.
K thanks for playing
Now that we are so close to final arc, do you want Luffy to be only at yonko commander level? He needs to be at least equal to the yonkos to challenge the strongest of all time, Blackbeard.
Dont worry about Zoro fans. Nobody in the manga mid-diffed a YC1 level fighter on panel other than Kaido. He also got the AdCoC which only a handful of the very strongest characters can have. Zoro fans are good.
Dont worry about Zoro fans. Nobody in the manga mid-diffed a YC1 level fighter on panel other than Kaido. He also got the AdCoC which only a handful of the very strongest characters can have. Zoro fans are good.
LMAO yeah I do. Sanji and Jinbe specifically went to go help Luffy so that he wasn't stalled by Gifters just the same, and stay tuned for the rest of this post
Ohhh King had help. That's what makes him different from Luffy pre CoC
Ohhh King had help. That's what makes him different from Luffy pre CoC
>Luffy was already in a 2v1
> rooftop fight was a team against opponents stronger than them. If Kaido and Big Mom would fight any of the rooftop 5 in a 1v1 they would win where as Marco and king are peers
Don't need scans for anything. Your Ulti argument is absurd. Oda draws shit like that for dramatic purposes, just like him having a bunch of scrubs impede Zoros progress. That shit is not indicative of a characters strength.
Should we talk about how Zoro failed to get Shusui back from Gyukimaru, when in reality he should have one shoted him and been done and over with long before Killer ever arrived?
Should we talk about how Zoro failed to get Shusui back from Gyukimaru, when in reality he should have one shoted him and been done and over with long before Killer ever arrived?
That's IF Luffy's fruit is special because it's all super powerful when Awakened.
IF is the key word.
There's no point in preparing in advance or anything. Luffy is already powerful without something special from his fruit (if we assume that Gorosei was talking about his fruit). Unless his fruit has a hidden passive skill that make the user learns x3 faster the Hakis or something like that.
IF is the key word.
There's no point in preparing in advance or anything. Luffy is already powerful without something special from his fruit (if we assume that Gorosei was talking about his fruit). Unless his fruit has a hidden passive skill that make the user learns x3 faster the Hakis or something like that.
The shit Oda draws is not indicative of what he writes. Lmao classic. I can imagine you get bodied in almost every thread, with this attitude.
In grasping for straws you managed to get a hold of Gyukimaru, so back to school I guess:
Zoro, two swords instead of his normal three, toyed with him
He never even bothered to put on a bandanna when going back. And before you try to argue that Zoro trying to talk to this guy is some sort of reflection of inability, remember that Kawamatsu directly mentioned that he wasn't trying... while blocking Kawamatu's sneak attack
For the record you do remember Kawamatsu, right?
A guy strong enough to hurt Kaido and at the level of competing with Jack if we look at the Asura and the Mink bosses, is not able to touch Zoro while confirming that he's not serious.
But why isn't Zoro serious is the question, right? Neither of them are so if Zoro isn't serious against a sword thief that we both understand that he can beat easily, it also just says that he doesn't feel killing intent. Gyukimaru, as we learn through the SBS, was supposed to be in shock that Zoro is just like Ushimaru, so that would explain why he doesn't try to threaten Zoro enough to justify getting cut down. It's not that it isn't true, Oda just cut it for the sake of storytelling. So he gave the Zoro boner to Kawamatsu but we all know how this story will go with Benkei, because we have Google right?
Zoro didn't attempt to seriously pursue fights with Kyoshiro, Kawamatsu, or Gyukimaru and if you remember, that was also the point of his whole mission in Wano: to recruit the strong samurai. Each of of those three survived to help in the battle against Kaido, so none of them can be used as a knock against him.
but wait by your own logic why the fuck were you bringing up Gyukimaru in a Luffy thread, lol
In grasping for straws you managed to get a hold of Gyukimaru, so back to school I guess:
Zoro, two swords instead of his normal three, toyed with him
But why isn't Zoro serious is the question, right? Neither of them are so if Zoro isn't serious against a sword thief that we both understand that he can beat easily, it also just says that he doesn't feel killing intent. Gyukimaru, as we learn through the SBS, was supposed to be in shock that Zoro is just like Ushimaru, so that would explain why he doesn't try to threaten Zoro enough to justify getting cut down. It's not that it isn't true, Oda just cut it for the sake of storytelling. So he gave the Zoro boner to Kawamatsu but we all know how this story will go with Benkei, because we have Google right?
Zoro didn't attempt to seriously pursue fights with Kyoshiro, Kawamatsu, or Gyukimaru and if you remember, that was also the point of his whole mission in Wano: to recruit the strong samurai. Each of of those three survived to help in the battle against Kaido, so none of them can be used as a knock against him.
but wait by your own logic why the fuck were you bringing up Gyukimaru in a Luffy thread, lol
The shit Oda draws is not indicative of what he writes. Lmao classic. I can imagine you get bodied in almost every thread, with this attitude.
In grasping for straws you managed to get a hold of Gyukimaru, so back to school I guess:
Zoro, two swords instead of his normal three, toyed with him
He never even bothered to put on a bandanna when going back. And before you try to argue that Zoro trying to talk to this guy is some sort of reflection of inability, remember that Kawamatsu directly mentioned that he wasn't trying... while blocking Kawamatu's sneak attack
For the record you do remember Kawamatsu, right?
A guy strong enough to hurt Kaido and at the level of competing with Jack if we look at the Asura and the Mink bosses, is not able to touch Zoro while confirming that he's not serious.
But why isn't Zoro serious is the question, right? Neither of them are so if Zoro isn't serious against a sword thief that we both understand that he can beat easily, it also just says that he doesn't feel killing intent. Gyukimaru, as we learn through the SBS, was supposed to be in shock that Zoro is just like Ushimaru, so that would explain why he doesn't try to threaten Zoro enough to justify getting cut down. It's not that it isn't true, Oda just cut it for the sake of storytelling. So he gave the Zoro boner to Kawamatsu but we all know how this story will go with Benkei, because we have Google right?
Zoro didn't attempt to seriously pursue fights with Kyoshiro, Kawamatsu, or Gyukimaru and if you remember, that was also the point of his whole mission in Wano: to recruit the strong samurai. Each of of those three survived to help in the battle against Kaido, so none of them can be used as a knock against him.
but wait by your own logic why the fuck were you bringing up Gyukimaru in a Luffy thread, lol
In grasping for straws you managed to get a hold of Gyukimaru, so back to school I guess:
Zoro, two swords instead of his normal three, toyed with him
But why isn't Zoro serious is the question, right? Neither of them are so if Zoro isn't serious against a sword thief that we both understand that he can beat easily, it also just says that he doesn't feel killing intent. Gyukimaru, as we learn through the SBS, was supposed to be in shock that Zoro is just like Ushimaru, so that would explain why he doesn't try to threaten Zoro enough to justify getting cut down. It's not that it isn't true, Oda just cut it for the sake of storytelling. So he gave the Zoro boner to Kawamatsu but we all know how this story will go with Benkei, because we have Google right?
Zoro didn't attempt to seriously pursue fights with Kyoshiro, Kawamatsu, or Gyukimaru and if you remember, that was also the point of his whole mission in Wano: to recruit the strong samurai. Each of of those three survived to help in the battle against Kaido, so none of them can be used as a knock against him.
but wait by your own logic why the fuck were you bringing up Gyukimaru in a Luffy thread, lol
I don't have to write a book defending Luffy. Since you put so much effort into mansplaining Zoros situations, which I already know about, then you should be smart enough to read between the lines with the Luffy situations. So go figure it out yourself, and quit being hypocritical.
Nobody asked you to write anything. I'm more likely to beg you not to actually, lol. If you remember I asked you to show scenes of what you're trying to say because otherwise you're just pulling all this out of your ass.
Anyway, I hope you're not actually a guy if you say something stupid like "mansplain." The fuck does my gender have to do with anything lol
Anyway, I hope you're not actually a guy if you say something stupid like "mansplain." The fuck does my gender have to do with anything lol
It has nothing to do with your gender, lmao. You're trying to preach the obvious to me. I'm just rolling with your hypocrisy at this point. I'm fully capable of reading between the lines of the Zoro situations. Funny how your not catching on that all I'm doing is throwing likewise Zoro situations at you, that you clearly read between the lines with, yet fail to do that in situations involving Luffy.
Situations involving Luffy. Like what, I've been asking for examples. If you bring up Gyukimaru to compare to me knocking Luffy for how Ulti was handled, then tell me about how he sat on her and asked her to give up lol. Or how Zoro was fighting Gyukimaru and said "shit I'm gonna need Asura for this." I'd rather see it than you just saying it of course, but you can't show it. You're just vague as fuck with all this talk about hypocrisy
What panels do you want exactly? The one where Luffy completely blitzes past Ulti and pile drives her, before she even knew what hit her?
The panel where Luffy uses basic CoA in a headbutt clash?
The one where he is dealing with Page One, and she sneaks him from behind and grips both of his arms?
What the fuck exactly did Ulti do that has you so wowed?
The panel where Luffy uses basic CoA in a headbutt clash?
The one where he is dealing with Page One, and she sneaks him from behind and grips both of his arms?
What the fuck exactly did Ulti do that has you so wowed?
You're the one who tried using "Luffy having trouble with lower tier opponents" as an excuse, and I bring up examples of Zoro having trouble with "Lower tier opponents" as a counter argument, and all I see from you is "That doesn't count" rebuttals. Like I said, Oda does that shit for dramatic purposes, so your Ulti reference was moot to the original argument in the first place.
Oda drew the whole Ulti/Page One scene with Luffy clear enough that we know if Luffy would have gotten even the slightest bit serious, he'd have mopped the floor with both of them. The only reason Ulti got the drop on him in the first place, is because he was focused on Page One, after he blitzed the dust off of her, and smashed her into the ground.
Oda drew the whole Ulti/Page One scene with Luffy clear enough that we know if Luffy would have gotten even the slightest bit serious, he'd have mopped the floor with both of them. The only reason Ulti got the drop on him in the first place, is because he was focused on Page One, after he blitzed the dust off of her, and smashed her into the ground.
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