Powers & Abilities Don't fall for recency hype — Roger will always reign supreme

[Blahmigooo]

I believe Oda will give Roger some hype....
But you can't use how ppl in the op world put WB and Roger the only two equal as if they all lnow Rocks exist.

Oda is careful about destroying the logic and power structure he created in the beginning.
That's why he makes Rocks a forgetten legend to the masses, who was erased from history.
Rocks is 100% the parallel of BB who is going to be the biggest challenge/rivals for prime Luffy (with Imu)
If that's the case Rocks is ~ Roger, there's a chance that EoS BB could be slightly above Luffy,
Rocks being > than Roger is a bigger possible when his son gonna rival the next Joyboy

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

But you can't use how ppl in the op world put WB and Roger the only two equal as if they all lnow Rocks exist.

Whitebeard, Shiki, Kaidou, Chinjao... all know Rocks existed as they were active during his era. And the narrator put Whitebeard as Roger's equal. Roger's hype mainly comes from people who either knew Rocks or were part of his crew. Pretty much none of my arguments depends on people ignoring Rocks existed, so I don't see your point here.

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This panel sounds so weird, when she says 15? Ahh to young!!! Did BM wanna sleep with Kaidou or what?

Big Mom didn't say Kaidou was "too young" but was nostalgic about having such young age. "Ahh to be young" equals "Ah, those good days of youth".

 

[Blahmigooo]

Whitebeard, Shiki, Kaidou, Chinjao... all know Rocks existed as they were active during his era. And the narrator put Whitebeard as Roger's equal. Roger's hype mainly comes from people who either knew Rocks or were part of his crew. Pretty much none of my arguments depends on people ignoring Rocks existed, so I don't see your point here

Yes Shiki, Chinjao hinting Xebec existence during Dressrosa/pre-skip is off the menu.
All WB = Roger > everyone portrayal was before Rocks enter the story
Kaido was the only one post-Rocks reveal that put Roger at the top, he's the only saving grace that Roger is > Xebec which we will see if it's true

Xebec feats are something else, he looks like a guy only below OG Joyboy among pirates. Sengoku confirming he is the biggest rival to Roger put him already in the same breath as WB = Roger if not higher.
He was removed from history, and the only person that was removed along with him was Joyboy/Nika and anything related.
Being BB father/parallel who has 50/50 chance to be final boss and clash with Joyboy/Nika of today's era, is enough to put him at worst Roger/WB tier.

 

[nik87]

>Roger will always reign supreme

Blud has been failing at logic for 26 years straight.

 

[eamonpro]

Roger didnt conquer the world
His achievement is Finding JBs treasure

Buggy statement isnt truth since he didnt know anything about Rocks

And Rocks Goal is the harder than Finding Laugh Tale

If king of the world is harder than finding laugh tale why hasn't the current king of the world who wants to stop piracy entirely found laugh tale? checkmate roger deniers
To be the freest in the sea requires no threat to be able to touch you.

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Yes Shiki, Chinjao hinting Xebec existence during Dressrosa/pre-skip is off the menu.
All WB = Roger > everyone portrayal was before Rocks enter the story
Kaido was the only one post-Rocks reveal that put Roger at the top, he's the only saving grace that Roger is > Xebec which we will see if it's true

Xebec feats are something else, he looks like a guy only below OG Joyboy among pirates. Sengoku confirming he is the biggest rival to Roger put him already in the same breath as WB = Roger if not higher.
He was removed from history, and the only person that was removed along with him was Joyboy/Nika and anything related.
Being BB father/parallel who has 50/50 chance to be final boss and clash with Joyboy/Nika of today's era, is enough to put him at worst Roger/WB tier.

Put from another perspective, he was able to be removed from history, while roger wasn't
I absolutely agree that Rocks is much stronger than the Rogers we have seen (mostly) but I do think the Roger that became pirate king probably had just tipped past him in power

 

[Rej]

Roger was a Rookie when Rocks was at his peak.

But I agree with the legacies. Prime Roger was probably stronger and had a greater impact.

Nevertheless, both accomplished great individual things that noone else has accomplished before. (Offending Imu/Finding Laugh Tale)

 

[[No Name]]

Exactly, GOATED thread.
People miss how Pirate King is the conqueror above conquerors.
Roger is above Prime WB.

 

[nik87]

People miss how Pirate King is the conqueror above conquerors.

Is there is a single conqueror that Roger is actually above?
All he has managed so far was pull a draw or getting negged by Kuja Emperess.
Is there a single conqueror that Roger has actually beaten in a fight?

 

[Roo]

Roger was a Rookie when Rocks was at his peak.

not really, the roger we see in this chapter has been a pirate for 10 years or so according to brook's recollection

 

[Halyup]

not really, the roger we see in this chapter has been a pirate for 10 years or so according to brook's recollection

Roger was a rookie 52 years ago ( based on claim by Brook )

latest chapter is 44 years ago
hes a veteran

their recent cope is Roger and Garp were rookies which isnt true
since Garp started his navy career 56 years ago

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Roger was a Rookie when Rocks was at his peak.

But I agree with the legacies. Prime Roger was probably stronger and had a greater impact.

Nevertheless, both accomplished great individual things that noone else has accomplished before. (Offending Imu/Finding Laugh Tale)

Stop this bs
Roger was a seasoned Pirate and started Roger Pirates way earlier than Rocks

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If king of the world is harder than finding laugh tale why hasn't the current king of the world who wants to stop piracy entirely found laugh tale? checkmate roger deniers
To be the freest in the sea requires no threat to be able to touch you.

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Put from another perspective, he was able to be removed from history, while roger wasn't
I absolutely agree that Rocks is much stronger than the Rogers we have seen (mostly) but I do think the Roger that became pirate king probably had just tipped past him in power

Roger were already sick when he became PK
i would argue that ver. Is weaker than when he is at GV

 

[NikaInParis]

In a series where Willpower is a meassure of power and Dreams are the pinacles of what a given character's willpower will drive them to do only 2 men accomplished their dreams:
Roger
Whitebeard

Hence their Willpower (Haki) is without equal. And since haki is the power system in the verse, those two currently sit atop the strength ladder.

*Joyboy, Imu, EoS Luffy, and EoS Blackbeard surpass them

 

[Franosuke]

only 2 men accomplished their dreams:

There’s a third

 

[NikaInParis]

There’s a third

I recall seeing that boy at Roger's execution and later becoming an errand boy

 

[BoaHancocksHusband]

Davy Jones

Imu

 

[Djordje]

Roger is not special anymore. There are top tiers who are his equals (Rocks , PWB , Garp) and others close to him ( Kaido , Mihawk , Shanks , oden , ray etc)

Joyboy true top 1 pirate.

What exactly did happen in this chapter to claim Roger is not special anymore ?

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

The latest clash confirms absolutely nothing. Even hours long battles don't confirm equality in OP and we're sitting here doing power scaling based on a simple clash that happened when they're far from their primes. WB was the strongest man in the world when Garp was still around. The same guy that gets his hype from being equal to Roger.

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That I agree with.

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From the same place where you get he wouldn't lose from.

You realize Garp was still chasing Roger even 27 years ago right? We see that when they both see each other its on site. They said every time they fought it was intent to kill. Roger is still saying bring Garp even 26 years ago. What makes you think you know who was coming out on top.

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Roger was a Rookie when Rocks was at his peak.

But I agree with the legacies. Prime Roger was probably stronger and had a greater impact.

Nevertheless, both accomplished great individual things that noone else has accomplished before. (Offending Imu/Finding Laugh Tale)

Roger was not a rookie. Brook thing was 52 or more years ago for rookie comment. Roger literally sailed around the world by 39 years ago. He was not a Rookie.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

You realize Garp was still chasing Roger even 27 years ago right? We see that when they both see each other its on site. They said every time they fought it was intent to kill. Roger is still saying bring Garp even 26 years ago. What makes you think you know who was coming out on top

Which part of what you said makes us think Garp wouldn't lose to Roger? Roger asked for Sengoku as well, are Roger and Sengoku equals too? Because as far as I can tell nothing explicitly states Sengoku would lose to Roger. Hell, if we're going by that route, nothing suggests even Rayleigh would lost to Roger.

What you said merely reflects exactly what I said in my post earlier:

Garp, Rayleigh, Shiki, Sengoku, Gaban and possibly even Silber Axe are all strong enough to fight Roger and give him a hard fight.

Garp, like Sengoku, is one of many that can give Roger a hard time—probably a harder fight than Sengoku for Roger although a distinction has never been made b/w them. Big Mom had a 3-day-long equal fight with Kaido. She wasn't exactly his equal—probably two levels below him, yet Kaido did not gain upper hand in 3 long days, yet we're sitting here acting like one punch sealed the deal for their supposed non-existing equality.

As for what suggests Roger was stronger during their prime:

This guy suggests it:

Spoiler

World's Strongest Man, equal of the mighty Pirate King. Not superior but equal. The guy that's acknowledged as the worlds strongest man when Garp and Sengoku are still around was an equal to Roger.

It isn't the random folk who believe WB was the strongest:

Spoiler

Roger's crew thinks WB is the only one that can equal Roger:

Spoiler

Shiki, who saw all the big guns of their era refuses to believe the supposed killer of his captain couldn't possibly capture him:

Spoiler

Not "Oh, they have two guys on Roger level ,so they must've been able to capture him." Bro was so frustrated and humiliated at the thought of Marines, having Garp and Sengoku as their leading figures, capturing Roger that went on a suicide mission lmfao. Not something you'd do when you think they have two Roger level guys in their ranks—especially when one of them is the Hero that killed your former captain.

So yeah, Garp was never acknowledged as Roger's equal to begin with. They probably were equals during their early days, but not during their prime. Garp's entire infamy comes from being involved with Roger, not the other way around.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Which part of what you said makes us think Garp wouldn't lose to Roger? Roger asked for Sengoku as well, are Roger and Sengoku equals too? Because as far as I can tell nothing explicitly states Sengoku would lose to Roger. Hell, if we're going by that route, nothing suggests even Rayleigh would lost to Roger.

What you said merely reflects exactly what I said in my post earlier:


Garp, like Sengoku, is one of many that can give Roger a hard time—probably a harder fight than Sengoku for Roger although a distinction has never been made b/w them. Big Mom had a 3-day-long equal fight with Kaido. She wasn't exactly his equal—probably two levels below him, yet Kaido did not gain upper hand in 3 long days, yet we're sitting here acting like one punch sealed the deal for their supposed non-existing equality.

As for what suggests Roger was stronger during their prime:

This guy suggests it:

Spoiler

World's Strongest Man, equal of the mighty Pirate King. Not superior but equal. The guy that's acknowledged as the worlds strongest man when Garp and Sengoku are still around was an equal to Roger.

It isn't the random folk who believe WB was the strongest:

Spoiler

Roger's crew thinks WB is the only one that can equal Roger:

Spoiler

Shiki, who saw all the big guns of their era refuses to believe the supposed killer of his captain couldn't possibly capture him:

Spoiler

Not "Oh, they have two guys on Roger level ,so they must've been able to capture him." Bro was so frustrated and humiliated at the thought of Marines, having Garp and Sengoku as their leading figures, capturing Roger that went on a suicide mission lmfao. Not something you'd do when you think they have two Roger level guys in their ranks—especially when one of them is the Hero that killed your former captain.

So yeah, Garp was never acknowledged as Roger's equal to begin with. They probably were equals during their early days, but not during their prime. Garp's entire infamy comes from being involved with Roger, not the other way around.

Yes Garp and Sengoku are equals. Roger is the Equalman. Also i don't see how bringing up Sengoku means Roger is stronger.

So you want me to believe Roger is over Garp abd none is stated to be over the other. Lol. Roger just eqialman. Let's see if he even beat Xebec without Shenanigans to make it his Era.

 

[Halyup]

Yes Garp and Sengoku are equals. Roger is the Equalman. Also i don't see how bringing up Sengoku means Roger is stronger.

So you want me to believe Roger is over Garp abd none is stated to be over the other. Lol. Roger just eqialman. Let's see if he even beat Xebec without Shenanigans to make it his Era.

Its this simple
if Roger beat Rocks 1v1 without any help then hes clear Top 1

but if its 2v1 then hes Top 2 at best

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Yes Garp and Sengoku are equals. Roger is the Equalman. Also i don't see how bringing up Sengoku means Roger is stronger.

So you want me to believe Roger is over Garp abd none is stated to be over the other. Lol. Roger just eqialman. Let's see if he even beat Xebec without Shenanigans to make it his Era.

And they aren't exactly state to be equals either, yet here you are acting like it's written on stone or something. If funny how you don't need not statements suggesting what you're trying to propagate yet, you ask for receipts for the exactly opposite while providing none. Once again, the only man to be called Roger's equal was termed as the strongest man when Garp and Sengoku are still around. You can take it up with the author if you want to die on this hill.