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Read the god damn post of mine lol
I didn't call you scum. I put you as sus. It's big difference. Sus means you could be townie or scum.
Aren't you putting me as sus from day 1 with not being sure whether I am townie? Am I going around complaining? Why are you so over reacting about it?
And, as I said as long as you will give me valid reasons, I won't lynch you. I am not throwing you under the bus am I? So be more rational and logical
I didn't call you scum. I put you as sus. It's big difference. Sus means you could be townie or scum.
Aren't you putting me as sus from day 1 with not being sure whether I am townie? Am I going around complaining? Why are you so over reacting about it?
And, as I said as long as you will give me valid reasons, I won't lynch you. I am not throwing you under the bus am I? So be more rational and logical
We definitely aren't getting anywhere openly suspecting each other, to be serious for a moment. I still am sus of Reborn for the same reasons as Day 1 but I find at least 3 other people more suspicious. If it's just us talking, we won't get any info and scum could latch onto what we're saying to change their strat.
Tbh, this is my playstyle, I don’t like to be aggressive bcuz I’m not that confident in my reads and I can cause a mislynch but if y’all want me to play more aggressive then ok.
Voting for Gambit doesn’t necessarily means that you are town since scums tend to throw shade at each other to avoid suspicion but this game has plurality lynch, which one vote can be deadly, so I would discard everybody who kept a vote on Gambit. Ofc, the scum could have kept the vote on his buddie but I would say it’s highly unlikely considering it was day 1. So for me, Kiwi and TAC are good.
Naomi was also one of the persons who voted Gambit but then she unvoted after, I will look more deep into their interactions later but I would also say that she is good, by now.
As for the others, I will ISO them and also, look their interaction with Gambit.
Yes, Vig now has one bullet left. Also, i don’t if vanilla games can have the same mechanics as ToS but if the Vig kills a townie, he commits suicide.
Voting for Gambit doesn’t necessarily means that you are town since scums tend to throw shade at each other to avoid suspicion but this game has plurality lynch, which one vote can be deadly, so I would discard everybody who kept a vote on Gambit. Ofc, the scum could have kept the vote on his buddie but I would say it’s highly unlikely considering it was day 1. So for me, Kiwi and TAC are good.
Naomi was also one of the persons who voted Gambit but then she unvoted after, I will look more deep into their interactions later but I would also say that she is good, by now.
As for the others, I will ISO them and also, look their interaction with Gambit.
Yes, Vig now has one bullet left. Also, i don’t if vanilla games can have the same mechanics as ToS but if the Vig kills a townie, he commits suicide.
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@Kiwipom Just woke up and wanted to say that imo, you, TAC and Naomi are town, and could understand why you'd find either Rej or me suspicious, but I'm not sure Rej is mafia to be honest. Sure he was throwing shades during the first phase, but it seemed to me like he was completely looking out for mafias. He was also giving useful informations that helped me in this game:
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...neric-mafia-game-thread.727/page-4#post-39631
As for me, as I said at the beginning, i expected to be viewed as an easy target by mafia due to initiating mislynch on Playa, but if you look deeply into my post with the research function on this thread, you'd see that I gave multiple chances to Playa to defend himself before voting hi(end of DP1, beginning of DP2, when Gambit called him out on his suspicious lack of activity after random pressure votes and I used my arguments as follow up for him to explain himself), but he was too inactive, which didn't play in his favor. By the end, was about to go to sleep(Germany timezone) and decided to gamble on it, unfortunately it was a wrong gamble. Gambia almost made me suspicious in the previous phase as well due to involving the cop in my remark attempt to find mafia, which wouldn't really work if I were mafia
I knew as said though that the real mafia would take advantage on the situation to throw shades at me
In my opinion it's Reborn who is suspicious. His only vote that i remember is trying to vote Rej when a pressure vote was tried on him by him at the beginning, and ever since the beginning of DP2, I don't remember him voting for someone(,will have to look more into his posts though). You'd see him attempting to throw shades on people but never voting and now he used a dead player who was barely even active as an excuse to try throwing townie off track on either TAC or me
That looks a lot like what a scum would do when in numerical inferiority to try to create confusion while avoiding suspicion
Will look more into this later when I'd arrive at work though
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...neric-mafia-game-thread.727/page-4#post-39631
As for me, as I said at the beginning, i expected to be viewed as an easy target by mafia due to initiating mislynch on Playa, but if you look deeply into my post with the research function on this thread, you'd see that I gave multiple chances to Playa to defend himself before voting hi(end of DP1, beginning of DP2, when Gambit called him out on his suspicious lack of activity after random pressure votes and I used my arguments as follow up for him to explain himself), but he was too inactive, which didn't play in his favor. By the end, was about to go to sleep(Germany timezone) and decided to gamble on it, unfortunately it was a wrong gamble. Gambia almost made me suspicious in the previous phase as well due to involving the cop in my remark attempt to find mafia, which wouldn't really work if I were mafia
I knew as said though that the real mafia would take advantage on the situation to throw shades at me
In my opinion it's Reborn who is suspicious. His only vote that i remember is trying to vote Rej when a pressure vote was tried on him by him at the beginning, and ever since the beginning of DP2, I don't remember him voting for someone(,will have to look more into his posts though). You'd see him attempting to throw shades on people but never voting and now he used a dead player who was barely even active as an excuse to try throwing townie off track on either TAC or me
That looks a lot like what a scum would do when in numerical inferiority to try to create confusion while avoiding suspicion
Will look more into this later when I'd arrive at work though
So just because I tried to pick on the lead given by a lynched townie, I became a suspect.. Lol
I had been very transparent in my dealings here. Never dodged a single question.
I didn't initiate any bandwagon like you guys did. Infact, I asked you guys to explain and simply put you as sus before I decide who could be scum.
And, yes I didn't vote in last two days. So was the case with Naomi, vonal, Haku. Then why singling out me? Is it because I went vocal and put few users as sus?
Frankly speaking, I had not much of idea who is scum..I am totally confused and I tried to ask explanations from the possible sus and it turns out, I am getting portrayed sus..
I had been very transparent in my dealings here. Never dodged a single question.
I didn't initiate any bandwagon like you guys did. Infact, I asked you guys to explain and simply put you as sus before I decide who could be scum.
And, yes I didn't vote in last two days. So was the case with Naomi, vonal, Haku. Then why singling out me? Is it because I went vocal and put few users as sus?
Frankly speaking, I had not much of idea who is scum..I am totally confused and I tried to ask explanations from the possible sus and it turns out, I am getting portrayed sus..
A dead lynched townie who had no special power to know scum, was barely even active and didn't give any reason for why they should be suspicious. Yes i find it very suspicious that you'd try to pick up on something like this instead of finding a logical reasoning to catch mafia
Not dodging any questions is one thing. Throwing shades without helping in votes to catch scum is another. You need to start voting if you want to catch scum(either from pressure voting, or something else). Asking questions without contributing in catching scum creates an eternal stalemate that only works in the scum favor
For Naomi i don't think she is scum because Gambit was trying to lynch her in DP1. Vonal was very focused on the Gambit lynch in previous phase. I doubt he is scum as well. But for Haku, yes he is also in my suspicious list with you
Except as mentioned it only creates an eternal stalemate helping scum. You need to take more risks if you want to catch scum. At the moment you look like a scum trying to avoid suspicion
Ok i finished re-reading Reborn's posts and it's just like i feared. Most of his posts are either fluff, resuming vote counts, throwing shades at potential mafias without voting himself, but the thing i found even the most suspicious is that he never had Gambit in his suspicion list despite Gambit being suspicious to most of us, when he altered between Rej, Vonal, Tac, Playa or me in his suspicion list
At this time, he mixed him into other names
But later had tried to make it pass as TAC or Playa were scum, while protecting gambit again
And he do all that without voting, which could help to answer questions even in case of pressure vote. As i said, and even TAC before
It looks like a mafia trying to maintain a stalemate, make town go off-track while avoiding suspicion himself.
Vote Lynch Reborn
Not dodging any questions is one thing. Throwing shades without helping in votes to catch scum is another. You need to start voting if you want to catch scum(either from pressure voting, or something else). Asking questions without contributing in catching scum creates an eternal stalemate that only works in the scum favor
For Naomi i don't think she is scum because Gambit was trying to lynch her in DP1. Vonal was very focused on the Gambit lynch in previous phase. I doubt he is scum as well. But for Haku, yes he is also in my suspicious list with you
Except as mentioned it only creates an eternal stalemate helping scum. You need to take more risks if you want to catch scum. At the moment you look like a scum trying to avoid suspicion
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Ok i finished re-reading Reborn's posts and it's just like i feared. Most of his posts are either fluff, resuming vote counts, throwing shades at potential mafias without voting himself, but the thing i found even the most suspicious is that he never had Gambit in his suspicion list despite Gambit being suspicious to most of us, when he altered between Rej, Vonal, Tac, Playa or me in his suspicion list
At this time, he mixed him into other names
But later had tried to make it pass as TAC or Playa were scum, while protecting gambit again
And he do all that without voting, which could help to answer questions even in case of pressure vote. As i said, and even TAC before
It looks like a mafia trying to maintain a stalemate, make town go off-track while avoiding suspicion himself.
Vote Lynch Reborn
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To the point where you say "Naomi cant be scum because Gambit lynched her D1" its exactly what scum does. Scum throws shades at each other. The earlier the better. The more consistent the better.
Gambit also tried to gdt Kiwi lynched D1. A new player. Reeks like scum.
Naomi and Kiwi are red on my list.
Gambit also tried to gdt Kiwi lynched D1. A new player. Reeks like scum.
Naomi and Kiwi are red on my list.
Nit picking on my posts disregarding the context to portray me as a scum is such a low tactic.
Let me begin with this post.
So you didn't want to judge someone early but expect me to do so? The post of mine you quoted in which I mentioned gambit as townie, was my first read on day one but somehow you expect me to sus gambit on day one itself?
You said I didn't put up a vote but I did on rej and unvoted him later when I find that its not enough to lynch him.
Also, on first day, final and gambit lynched Celestia out of nowhere. On second day, I found Playa townie and didn't vote him. So what's wrong with not voting when you aren't confident?
On day 2, I had only two options - either vote Playa from whom I was getting (60-40)townie vibe or to vote someone else who had at least one vote to save Playa - that means to throw tac and rej under the bus. I told tac on day one that I am getting townie vibe from him and rej didn't make any case on day2 due to lack of activity. So not voting was my best bet. And what's wrong with that?
Read this post of mine where I explicitly highlighted my strategy and the reason why I didn't put gambit as sus which included many others and not just him.
Did you see it? On first day itself I said, we should avoid wrong lynching at any cost. So why would I lynch someone when I am not confident that he is scum?
And, not seeing gambit as scum was simply because he was active and vocal.
Read what I said on day 2 about Playa and gambit -
I said, " could go either way with them" . And, once again the reason I said gambit could not be scum was 'he is active', a consistent feature of my tactic. Yet, did I throw Playa under the bus? No...
Also, Gambit and Celestia tied on voting on first day 2-2 each. If I was aligned with gambit, then why didn't I cast my vote to save him? Yes, before that, I said that both kiwi and gambit could be townie but that was simply based on assumption that "both were active a tactic of mine which has been consistent feature which I learnt is flawed". If you are so good then why you didn't cast your vote on day one?
If I am scum then Why I let gambit go to random lynching? Would you guys still be suspecting me, if instead of Celestia, gambit would have been lynched on day 1? No...
BTW, Bogard you weren't suspecting me on day 1.
I had no change in playing style since day1. But why suddenly you called me scum now? Just because I demanded an explanation? I clearly said that you guys are simply sus and not scum in my eyes and I simply want explanation yet you jumped on me.
Frankly speaking, even after this, I don't find you as my primary suspect. It's not even tac but vonal(primarily) and Haku...
Despite having a feeling that you could be townie with little inclination towards you being scum, I am casting vote on you because I simply didn't like the way you targeted me.
Vote Lynch Bogard
Let me begin with this post.
So you didn't want to judge someone early but expect me to do so? The post of mine you quoted in which I mentioned gambit as townie, was my first read on day one but somehow you expect me to sus gambit on day one itself?
You said I didn't put up a vote but I did on rej and unvoted him later when I find that its not enough to lynch him.
Also, on first day, final and gambit lynched Celestia out of nowhere. On second day, I found Playa townie and didn't vote him. So what's wrong with not voting when you aren't confident?
On day 2, I had only two options - either vote Playa from whom I was getting (60-40)townie vibe or to vote someone else who had at least one vote to save Playa - that means to throw tac and rej under the bus. I told tac on day one that I am getting townie vibe from him and rej didn't make any case on day2 due to lack of activity. So not voting was my best bet. And what's wrong with that?
Read this post of mine where I explicitly highlighted my strategy and the reason why I didn't put gambit as sus which included many others and not just him.
Did you see it? On first day itself I said, we should avoid wrong lynching at any cost. So why would I lynch someone when I am not confident that he is scum?
And, not seeing gambit as scum was simply because he was active and vocal.
Read what I said on day 2 about Playa and gambit -
I said, " could go either way with them" . And, once again the reason I said gambit could not be scum was 'he is active', a consistent feature of my tactic. Yet, did I throw Playa under the bus? No...
Also, Gambit and Celestia tied on voting on first day 2-2 each. If I was aligned with gambit, then why didn't I cast my vote to save him? Yes, before that, I said that both kiwi and gambit could be townie but that was simply based on assumption that "both were active a tactic of mine which has been consistent feature which I learnt is flawed". If you are so good then why you didn't cast your vote on day one?
If I am scum then Why I let gambit go to random lynching? Would you guys still be suspecting me, if instead of Celestia, gambit would have been lynched on day 1? No...
BTW, Bogard you weren't suspecting me on day 1.
I had no change in playing style since day1. But why suddenly you called me scum now? Just because I demanded an explanation? I clearly said that you guys are simply sus and not scum in my eyes and I simply want explanation yet you jumped on me.
Frankly speaking, even after this, I don't find you as my primary suspect. It's not even tac but vonal(primarily) and Haku...
Despite having a feeling that you could be townie with little inclination towards you being scum, I am casting vote on you because I simply didn't like the way you targeted me.
Vote Lynch Bogard
So you can resonate logically uh? Very surprising coming from someone who spent most of his time making fluff posts, hinting at suspicious people without explaining exactly why they are suspicious, and becoming inactive when it comes to voting despite being one of the most active posters in this thread
Except i didn't make a read. At that moment everyone could have been town or mafia. You on the other hand made a read as if you exactly knew who were town, mafia or neutral at the beginning of the game: https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...neric-mafia-game-thread.727/page-5#post-40148
How is it possible if you weren't mafia yourself? And no, i wasn't calling you out just for that first post. I showed another post where Gambit wasn't in your suspicion list again: https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...neric-mafia-game-thread.727/page-8#post-40304
And this was after multiple people were finding him suspicious. And even in the post you mention to have said it could have gone either way between gambit and playa, you added that "but gambit is very active and vocal": https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...neric-mafia-game-thread.727/page-8#post-40304
Which looked like you were trying to protect gambit without feeling too suspicious because both playa and him were the primarily targets. And no, being vocal and active is a very poor reason to qualify someone as town. Mafia can be very vocal and active in games to try to throw towns off-track. There are also power roles in town who can be more inactive to avoid being targetted by mafia like FB was trying to do(he wasn't that active during the first 2 DPs)
Does it mean that it's enough to accuse you as scum? Of course not, but that alongside the fact that you were very fluffy with your posts when it came down to giving valuable informations to track mafias and vote them, make you a primarily suspect in my eyes to turn out to be mafia
By the way i also find it strange that you suddenly decided to jump on something else after getting called out for poor reasoning of suspecting TAC or me, as mentioned here:
Reasoning which makes even less sense now that it seems you can actually resonate logically. You had nothing to go on basing things from a dead lynched townie who had no special power to know scum, barely active, without giving any reasons if not for trying to throw town off track while keeping low
Again stop playing dumb when it seems you can resonate logically. Not even few posts above you, i did say you voted Rej
But i added the reason you did it, and why doing so didn't excuse your mafia play afterwards
By the way saying this doesn't help your case. This looks like a move mafia would take to vote on a townie while preparing the next round(Vonal and Haku)
Except i didn't make a read. At that moment everyone could have been town or mafia. You on the other hand made a read as if you exactly knew who were town, mafia or neutral at the beginning of the game: https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...neric-mafia-game-thread.727/page-5#post-40148
How is it possible if you weren't mafia yourself? And no, i wasn't calling you out just for that first post. I showed another post where Gambit wasn't in your suspicion list again: https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...neric-mafia-game-thread.727/page-8#post-40304
And this was after multiple people were finding him suspicious. And even in the post you mention to have said it could have gone either way between gambit and playa, you added that "but gambit is very active and vocal": https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...neric-mafia-game-thread.727/page-8#post-40304
Which looked like you were trying to protect gambit without feeling too suspicious because both playa and him were the primarily targets. And no, being vocal and active is a very poor reason to qualify someone as town. Mafia can be very vocal and active in games to try to throw towns off-track. There are also power roles in town who can be more inactive to avoid being targetted by mafia like FB was trying to do(he wasn't that active during the first 2 DPs)
Does it mean that it's enough to accuse you as scum? Of course not, but that alongside the fact that you were very fluffy with your posts when it came down to giving valuable informations to track mafias and vote them, make you a primarily suspect in my eyes to turn out to be mafia
By the way i also find it strange that you suddenly decided to jump on something else after getting called out for poor reasoning of suspecting TAC or me, as mentioned here:
Reasoning which makes even less sense now that it seems you can actually resonate logically. You had nothing to go on basing things from a dead lynched townie who had no special power to know scum, barely active, without giving any reasons if not for trying to throw town off track while keeping low
Again stop playing dumb when it seems you can resonate logically. Not even few posts above you, i did say you voted Rej
But i added the reason you did it, and why doing so didn't excuse your mafia play afterwards
By the way saying this doesn't help your case. This looks like a move mafia would take to vote on a townie while preparing the next round(Vonal and Haku)
Gambit was none voter? he voted or are you just not paying attention??
what do you mean by red?
Anyways from what i seen from rej, He not much involved in scum hunting beside giving tips. Rej you are the type to drag this game on if really scum!
Which i will strangle you and make you suffer next game if come true!!
what do you mean by red?
Anyways from what i seen from rej, He not much involved in scum hunting beside giving tips. Rej you are the type to drag this game on if really scum!
Which i will strangle you and make you suffer next game if come true!!
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