Is Bleach Better than Kingdom?


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i hoped more of hau get killed 😕

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Riboku said here that kanki is the strongest amongst the 6gg


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But I was able to get my hands on the spoilers for chapter 763, exclusively from Hara. The spoilers are with english translations!!





Chapter 282 parody

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The big boys finally get to play?
 
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I mean, fair enough.

But how does context play into it?
I think we'll have a better understanding of the context behind that statement once we get an accurate translation from the boys at Sense.
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Hope we get some resistance in the court regarding the next campaign
100's of thousands of soldiers have died so let's have some civil battles and protests and not just randomly have them replaced.
40,000 dead at Roumou
130,000 dead at Gishi Plains
6GG KIA in Kan Ki
3 confirmed KIA generals in Sou Ha Kou (Tai Gen Army), Rin Gyoku and Koku'Ou
2 MIA generals in Fuu Han and Heki
+ potentially more generals lost at Roumou that we didn't know of
Hi Shin and Gaku Ka armies in tatters

This was a costly L for Qin, no doubt about it.
 
Riboku's opinion of Kanki is not Hara's opinion of Kanki, let's not equate the two please.

Tou was "The Perfect General" "No weakness" "Biggest threat from Qin" , 400 chapters ago. And he's only gotten better.
Moubu was the main star against the coalition accomplishing bigger feats than Kanki & Ousen. He's only gotten better.
Shouheikun is stated to be as smart as Riboku and as strong as Moubu. He's only gotten better.

So even if Riboku truly believes Kanki is the top Qin 6 guy, that is not Hara saying he is. That is simply Riboku's opinion. You can use it to scale Kanki, sure. Long as you keep in mind it'd only have relevancy against people Riboku has gone up against. Which would really be Ousen.
 
I was being semi-satirical anyway, but regardless of how much truth is in that statement, I feel like it should still mean something at least. Surely that head wound wouldn't have made him that delusional.

Ousen > Kanki is still a very sensible take, the former represents the previous Qin6 leader after all.

That is simply Riboku's opinion. You can use it to scale Kanki, sure. Long as you keep in mind it'd only have relevancy against people Riboku has gone up against. Which would really be Ousen.
Most people tend to place Ousen as the best among them though, which makes Riboku's opinion even more shocking.
 
Most people tend to place Ousen as the best among them though, which makes Riboku's opinion even more shocking.
Eh not for me, I've always had Tou as top 1, while toss up between Ytw-ousen-moubu. But as for Ousen-Kanki, general portrayal of the series always points to Ousen > Kanki, so even then Riboku's opinion wouldn't really mean much, but it'd be a talking point for those who do believe Kanki is top 1. Which you'll find plenty of people believing that in discord servers and such, even prior to that riboku statement.
 
Not to mention how Kanki's victories are generally skin of the teeth, high risk/high reward, retarded gambles that 99% of Kingdom's Generals would consider flat out too insane or too costly to be effective. Yet everyone fellates the bloke's service record anyway even when said victories needed major assistance from the likes of Shin to be effective. Duke Hyou's tactics are recognised for the abhorrent meat grinder that they are but not Kanki's for some reason, his are mysteriously acceptably fine.
Bro I respect your takes on Kingdom, I do. But this is just wrong lol. Hara shows Kanki’s risky gambits costing him or others dearly many times. For example Hara straight up tells us that Kanki underestimated Kaishibou/Genpou deducing the location of his HQ and had to run away for a huge chunk of the arc. Hara also showed how Kanki underestimated Keisha who escaped his Zenou Clan killstroke. Kanki lost one of the three watchtowers of Kankoku pass by taking all his best fighters and going on an assassination mission. Kanki also threw thousands of soldiers into the meat grinder at Eikyuu including the Gyoku Hou, causing his own men to defect en masse. Hara is very explicit that Kanki’s unusual victories almost always come with a cost and that he’s far from perfect as a tactician.

Kanki isn't nearly this out of place but likewise he just isn't allowed to look bad or have any kind of genuine weakness. Kanki is a straight up reprehensible, degenerate, debased, depraved monster...... and everybody that meets the guy ends up loving him? What the absolute fuck?
But… this really isn’t true either. Riboku and Futei don’t like Kanki, they just respect him as a general. As they should. He came so close to taking Riboku down. Shin hated him until the end. Sei clearly despises Kanki, as do Ten and Shoubunkun. Respect for his abilities =\= thinking he’s the best thing since sliced bread.
 
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This is easy to explain imo. Kanki is by far the most unique GG ever. He's extremely unorthodox and all "traditional" warfare is completely useless against him. He's a nightmare for a strategist like Riboku and the worst matchup out of the Qin 6.

Riboku lost to Ousen but at least he could read and counter his moves for the most part. Moubu is straight forward. Riboku clearly underestimates Tou still.

Gyou'Un who has experienced Renpa's prime said Riboku's the strongest GH ever but RBK said he'd lose to Renpa head on.
 
Riboku's opinion of Kanki is not Hara's opinion of Kanki, let's not equate the two please.

Tou was "The Perfect General" "No weakness" "Biggest threat from Qin" , 400 chapters ago. And he's only gotten better.
Moubu was the main star against the coalition accomplishing bigger feats than Kanki & Ousen. He's only gotten better.
Shouheikun is stated to be as smart as Riboku and as strong as Moubu. He's only gotten better.

So even if Riboku truly believes Kanki is the top Qin 6 guy, that is not Hara saying he is. That is simply Riboku's opinion. You can use it to scale Kanki, sure. Long as you keep in mind it'd only have relevancy against people Riboku has gone up against. Which would really be Ousen.
I get you but the problem is, it doesn't really come across as Riboku's own opinion. It comes off more like Hara talking through Riboku in order to wank Kanki one last time as some gratuitous send off.

Logically, Riboku has absolutely no reason to think that Kanki is the strongest current Qin Six based on his performance. Ousen was far more impressive at Shukai Plains and throughout the Gyou Campaign.

Compare the results of the two battles:
Ousen Army
• General Makou is slain.
• Battle objective of defeating Atsuyo/Riboku Army achieved.
• Campaign objective of taking and securing Gyou city achieved.

Riboku Army
• Generals Gaku Ei, Kin Mou, Gyou'un, Chougaryuu and Earl Kou are slain.
• Great Heaven Houken is slain.
• The armies of Gyou'un, Chougaryuu and Keisha Remnants are rendered defunct.
• Battle objective of defeating Ousen Army is a failure.
• Campaign objective of holding Gyou city is a failure.

Result
• Decisive Qin victory.
• Crushing Zhao defeat.
Kanki Army.
• Generals Ringyoku and Koku Ou are slain.
• Great General Kanki is slain.
• Generals Heki and Fuu Han are captured.
• The armies of Kanki, Heki and Fuu Han are rendered defunct.
• Campaign objective of securing Northern Zhao is a failure.
• Kanki's personal objective of killing Riboku is a failure.

Riboku Army
• Generals Kohaku Kou and Jyou Ka Ryuu are slain.
• The Jyou Ka Ryuu Army is rendered defunct.
• Battle objective of slaying Kanki is achieved.
• Campaign objectives of destroying Kanki Army and holding Northern Zhao are achieved.

Result
• Decisive Zhao victory.
• Crushing Qin defeat.

Riboku's take from all that? "Kanki's the best".

Feckin how?

I seriously hope the SenseScan translation is something else.
 
I get you but the problem is, it doesn't really come across as Riboku's own opinion. It comes off more like Hara talking through Riboku in order to wank Kanki one last time as some gratuitous send off.

Logically, Riboku has absolutely no reason to think that Kanki is the strongest current Qin Six based on his performance. Ousen was far more impressive at Shukai Plains and throughout the Gyou Campaign.

Compare the results of the two battles:
Ousen Army
• General Makou is slain.
• Battle objective of defeating Atsuyo/Riboku Army achieved.
• Campaign objective of taking and securing Gyou city achieved.

Riboku Army
• Generals Gaku Ei, Kin Mou, Gyou'un, Chougaryuu and Earl Kou are slain.
• Great Heaven Houken is slain.
• The armies of Gyou'un, Chougaryuu and Keisha Remnants are rendered defunct.
• Battle objective of defeating Ousen Army is a failure.
• Campaign objective of holding Gyou city is a failure.

Result
• Decisive Qin victory.
• Crushing Zhao defeat.
Kanki Army.
• Generals Ringyoku and Koku Ou are slain.
• Great General Kanki is slain.
• Generals Heki and Fuu Han are captured.
• The armies of Kanki, Heki and Fuu Han are rendered defunct.
• Campaign objective of securing Northern Zhao is a failure.
• Kanki's personal objective of killing Riboku is a failure.

Riboku Army
• Generals Kohaku Kou and Jyou Ka Ryuu are slain.
• The Jyou Ka Ryuu Army is rendered defunct.
• Battle objective of slaying Kanki is achieved.
• Campaign objectives of destroying Kanki Army and holding Northern Zhao are achieved.

Result
• Decisive Zhao victory.
• Crushing Qin defeat.

Riboku's take from all that? "Kanki's the best".

Feckin how?

I seriously hope the SenseScan translation is something else.
Well Riboku was on the brink of death. I think the arc does good in showing him very human. The guy was probably scared as hell and Kanki definitely got under his skin the entire time.
 
I get you but the problem is, it doesn't really come across as Riboku's own opinion. It comes off more like Hara talking through Riboku in order to wank Kanki one last time as some gratuitous send off.

Logically, Riboku has absolutely no reason to think that Kanki is the strongest current Qin Six based on his performance. Ousen was far more impressive at Shukai Plains and throughout the Gyou Campaign.

Compare the results of the two battles:
Ousen Army
• General Makou is slain.
• Battle objective of defeating Atsuyo/Riboku Army achieved.
• Campaign objective of taking and securing Gyou city achieved.

Riboku Army
• Generals Gaku Ei, Kin Mou, Gyou'un, Chougaryuu and Earl Kou are slain.
• Great Heaven Houken is slain.
• The armies of Gyou'un, Chougaryuu and Keisha Remnants are rendered defunct.
• Battle objective of defeating Ousen Army is a failure.
• Campaign objective of holding Gyou city is a failure.

Result
• Decisive Qin victory.
• Crushing Zhao defeat.
Kanki Army.
• Generals Ringyoku and Koku Ou are slain.
• Great General Kanki is slain.
• Generals Heki and Fuu Han are captured.
• The armies of Kanki, Heki and Fuu Han are rendered defunct.
• Campaign objective of securing Northern Zhao is a failure.
• Kanki's personal objective of killing Riboku is a failure.

Riboku Army
• Generals Kohaku Kou and Jyou Ka Ryuu are slain.
• The Jyou Ka Ryuu Army is rendered defunct.
• Battle objective of slaying Kanki is achieved.
• Campaign objectives of destroying Kanki Army and holding Northern Zhao are achieved.

Result
• Decisive Zhao victory.
• Crushing Qin defeat.

Riboku's take from all that? "Kanki's the best".

Feckin how?

I seriously hope the SenseScan translation is something else.
Aye man I already told y'all before this not Riboku, it's a downgraded clone.
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But I know it'll back to Goatboku after this arc, so at this point i have 0 ounce of care to what Riboku says/does/feels tbh. Bro is creditless in the current arc. Bro is out here making comparisons between Zenou Clan & Moubu Army, while never seeing Moubu army in person.

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Are we really supposed to take what he says serious this arc?
 
I get you but the problem is, it doesn't really come across as Riboku's own opinion. It comes off more like Hara talking through Riboku in order to wank Kanki one last time as some gratuitous send off.

Logically, Riboku has absolutely no reason to think that Kanki is the strongest current Qin Six based on his performance. Ousen was far more impressive at Shukai Plains and throughout the Gyou Campaign.
This is mainly why I'm hung up on the statement. Obviously characters can be wrong, but it's typically more evident when the author is trying to portray that. This is a story, not real life where anything can be said with no meaning.

Even if there is a leap of logic for Riboku to make this statement, with some arguing it being a clear contradiction, that is more so a criticism towards the writing itself. But it doesn't discredit that what the characters are saying is a reflection of the authors views.
 
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