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This you guys problem of course not the Duke was first class general he could rally up his army, read the flow and guide the army
This is basic general level the problem with this manga is that there is a misconception of how a general should be Shin and Duke are whole different level
Shin cant open a map divide his army into three armies: left-wing , right-wing and main-army in the middle create strategy and assign generals for his wing armies thats something the Duke could do you guys are focusing on something else
For example the first campaign from Duke Hyou the Keiyou-campaign the Duke led 150.000 men into the war against Go-Kei
The general needs to layout a battle strategy divide his army into division assign them, certain generals, to his wings an army and create an general battle-strategy to combat this enemy he needs to direct the army from his HQ did Shin ever did something like that no
Can he do something like that definitly not
Shin is a good star player but on directing an army from zero he is far from it Heki is far suprior to him
If Heki would lead 100.000 against Shin 100.000 Heki would massacre him
This is basic general level the problem with this manga is that there is a misconception of how a general should be Shin and Duke are whole different level
Shin cant open a map divide his army into three armies: left-wing , right-wing and main-army in the middle create strategy and assign generals for his wing armies thats something the Duke could do you guys are focusing on something else
For example the first campaign from Duke Hyou the Keiyou-campaign the Duke led 150.000 men into the war against Go-Kei
The general needs to layout a battle strategy divide his army into division assign them, certain generals, to his wings an army and create an general battle-strategy to combat this enemy he needs to direct the army from his HQ did Shin ever did something like that no
Can he do something like that definitly not
Shin is a good star player but on directing an army from zero he is far from it Heki is far suprior to him
If Heki would lead 100.000 against Shin 100.000 Heki would massacre him
Probably the weirdest Shin downplay I’ve ever seen lol.
So you mean to tell me that if Shin’s opponent chooses to split their army into three different groups, Shin would be incapable of figuring out that he needs to also split his army into three to counter his enemy? Because it seems like this “splitting your army into three” tactic has happened in every single major battle Shin has participated in in his life, and if Shin is incapable of figuring out this much by observation, then he should probably have never stood a chance against Gyou’Un and Keisha, both of whom were extremely dangerous tacticians and both of whom Shin was capable of reading effectively.
Okay scratch what I said above, this is the weirdest Shin downplay I’ve seen lol.
First of all, I assume you just mean tactics here. In terms of legit war, Shin would roll over Heki. Ousen at Shukai Plains viewed the HSU as his trump card, and Kanki is using them in a similar fashion at Eikyuu. The Hi Shin Unit is a massive powerhouse of a unit, especially right now. They are a 15,000 man army who’s strength far surpasses 15K.
In terms of just straight up tactics, Heki is a bad matchup because he’s actually been formally taught war and strategy to some degree while Shin has not. So it’s kind of weird to compare them.
Anyway, I think Hara is trying to set Shin up as a really unique instinctual. Kind of similar to Keisha, Shin is an instinctual who can read other instinctuals. He still might get dismantled by strategic types but there’s no way to tell for sure yet.
So you mean to tell me that if Shin’s opponent chooses to split their army into three different groups, Shin would be incapable of figuring out that he needs to also split his army into three to counter his enemy? Because it seems like this “splitting your army into three” tactic has happened in every single major battle Shin has participated in in his life, and if Shin is incapable of figuring out this much by observation, then he should probably have never stood a chance against Gyou’Un and Keisha, both of whom were extremely dangerous tacticians and both of whom Shin was capable of reading effectively.
Okay scratch what I said above, this is the weirdest Shin downplay I’ve seen lol.
First of all, I assume you just mean tactics here. In terms of legit war, Shin would roll over Heki. Ousen at Shukai Plains viewed the HSU as his trump card, and Kanki is using them in a similar fashion at Eikyuu. The Hi Shin Unit is a massive powerhouse of a unit, especially right now. They are a 15,000 man army who’s strength far surpasses 15K.
In terms of just straight up tactics, Heki is a bad matchup because he’s actually been formally taught war and strategy to some degree while Shin has not. So it’s kind of weird to compare them.
Anyway, I think Hara is trying to set Shin up as a really unique instinctual. Kind of similar to Keisha, Shin is an instinctual who can read other instinctuals. He still might get dismantled by strategic types but there’s no way to tell for sure yet.
This is so overhyped because this is individual act something a unit leader does do this is not overall directing-war ability
You have to differ between directing-war and individual acts in a flowing war you can change the outcome this is his ability but he cant layout from nothing or from zero this not directing this is individual act
what Mouten did is far more impressive he directed the war from days while Shin only had shining moments which are highlighted by the author more trust me killing Houken didnt change the fate of the war
I know what you mean what you highlight is his individual game changing acts but thats not what it means to be an general
Formation-battle is that what we mean right-middle-left
every soldier knows it but not every soldier can play this game so
Shin cant direct a war like Karyo or Heki
trust me Shin would lose badly he would fall for every trap his formation would be destroyed he would lose his HQ in the first day
what Shin displays is sadly not general-like more a brute like which is highlighted to make the manga interesting but thats all
In nearly 700 chapters he just showed once against Garyuu thats all that doesnt make you a general the foremost ability is not ride on the front line but to direct the war from behind
Kanki set up a plan beforehand he ordered Ousen not to touch the Hi-Shin-unit this is in OP-language future-sight something every General should have Shin sadly doesnt have
You have to differ between directing-war and individual acts in a flowing war you can change the outcome this is his ability but he cant layout from nothing or from zero this not directing this is individual act
what Mouten did is far more impressive he directed the war from days while Shin only had shining moments which are highlighted by the author more trust me killing Houken didnt change the fate of the war
I know what you mean what you highlight is his individual game changing acts but thats not what it means to be an general
Formation-battle is that what we mean right-middle-left
every soldier knows it but not every soldier can play this game so
Shin cant direct a war like Karyo or Heki
trust me Shin would lose badly he would fall for every trap his formation would be destroyed he would lose his HQ in the first day
what Shin displays is sadly not general-like more a brute like which is highlighted to make the manga interesting but thats all
In nearly 700 chapters he just showed once against Garyuu thats all that doesnt make you a general the foremost ability is not ride on the front line but to direct the war from behind
Kanki set up a plan beforehand he ordered Ousen not to touch the Hi-Shin-unit this is in OP-language future-sight something every General should have Shin sadly doesnt have
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Summary by Jeeswag from TKC
HSU:
The HSU is having trouble pushing past the Zhao to get to Ouhon. Denei says they underestimated the amount of Zhao soldiers here while Denyuu points out there are Qin on the other side. Garo says Ouhon's even further in than that and as they fight Shin sees Kyoukai's unit push in from the left. Kyoukai signals Rei and Rei says she's on it.
GHU:
A Gyokuhou soldier tells Banyou that the reinforcements don't appear to be from the center army and is instead the HSU. The Zhao who are by them intends to kill them fast and move to fight the HSU. Banyou orders the GHU to endure until the HSU arrives. The GHU starts to crumble and as the Zhao approaches Banyou Rei breaks through. She asks if there's a guy named Ouhon around. The GHU soldiers first thinks it's Kyoukai but realizes it's someone else. Rei asks if the guy on the floor is Ouhon and Banyou gets upset at "this guy." Rei says she came here under orders to save him then she starts dragging him away to which Banyou gets upset again. Rei says she's kidding and tells him to carry him and come with her. She heard that it'll be big trouble if he were to die. Banyou takes him and the GHU begins to retreat. The HSU HQ receives a report saying Kyoukai's unit has saved Ouhon and Karyoten gives the command to back off now.
Zhao:
The Zhao HQ sees the HSU retreating and realizes they're properly forming up now. It works out well because now they can reform their lines as well. They realize it's probably not the Kanki center army who is here and it's the HSU, the same one who took down Houken and recently became a general. Gakuhaku thinks it's a great opportunity to take down not only Ouhon but Shin who has also made a name for himself.
HSU HQ:
Shin asks why Ten called for a retreat since the enemy is now getting formed up and Ten says it's fine since they need a proper plan to take Eikyuu. Shin asks if it's true Ouhon's safe and Ten says Kyoukai's unit saved him. Rei says she saved him so she wants to be complimented. Shin says a quick "nice job" and asks where he is. Ten says he's resting in his tent since he's still unconscious. En-san says considering how the left wing is essentially gone they will most likely be taking over as the left wing main force. Sosui mentions it's most likely they'll have to do this with the HSU's force only.
Shin asks what the plan is. Ten says the cliff in front of them is the key to taking Eikyuu. Even if they go to the side traversing thru the region with around 10,000 soldiers is really hard so they'll have to go thru the cliff. Shin sees that that's where Eikyuu's main offence is. Ten says you can tell how strong it is based on the number of soldiers dead below it. En asks if it'll be possible for them then Ten says there's a spot where they can break thru the soldiers on the lower side and take the high side. If they're to take Eikyuu it's only thru there. Shin says he got it and prepares his troops to begin battle until Ouhon tells him to wait.
Ouhon says the spot Ten mentioned is a hunting ground for the Zhao. Shin says he should be resting more since he's still not fit to move around. Rei says he'll really die this way. Ten asks what he means by that and he says the Gyokuhou attacked that same area and needlessly lost a bunch of soldiers. It looks like a good area to attack but it's set up to easily kill any Qin soldier who comes up. The Gyokuhou tried to contest it many times but failed each time. Ouhont then says there are three more spots like that. Ten starts to think Eikyuu really is impossible to take but Shin says there is a spot and that's what Ouhon's here to tell them. As Ouhon begins to mention it he falls over and Shin catches him, telling him to get it together.
Ouhon says the spot to attack is the cliff all the way on the left that's after the lowest cliff. Shin asks if it's the highest point they can see past the bush and Ouhon says that's right. The terrain is rugged so they couldn't set up a hunting grounds there. That's where they should send the infantry. The enemy is aware of this so the defense by there is probably thick but the only way to break thru Eikyuu is thru there. Shin says he understands, thanks him for the advice and as he's about to tell him something Ouhon faints. Rei says he died and Shin says there's no way since he's still gotta go home to a kid waiting for him. Shin says he won't let their 8 days of fighting go to waste. Banyou leaves it to Shin. Shin tells Kanki to wait since they will turn things around starting now.
No break next week!
HSU:
The HSU is having trouble pushing past the Zhao to get to Ouhon. Denei says they underestimated the amount of Zhao soldiers here while Denyuu points out there are Qin on the other side. Garo says Ouhon's even further in than that and as they fight Shin sees Kyoukai's unit push in from the left. Kyoukai signals Rei and Rei says she's on it.
GHU:
A Gyokuhou soldier tells Banyou that the reinforcements don't appear to be from the center army and is instead the HSU. The Zhao who are by them intends to kill them fast and move to fight the HSU. Banyou orders the GHU to endure until the HSU arrives. The GHU starts to crumble and as the Zhao approaches Banyou Rei breaks through. She asks if there's a guy named Ouhon around. The GHU soldiers first thinks it's Kyoukai but realizes it's someone else. Rei asks if the guy on the floor is Ouhon and Banyou gets upset at "this guy." Rei says she came here under orders to save him then she starts dragging him away to which Banyou gets upset again. Rei says she's kidding and tells him to carry him and come with her. She heard that it'll be big trouble if he were to die. Banyou takes him and the GHU begins to retreat. The HSU HQ receives a report saying Kyoukai's unit has saved Ouhon and Karyoten gives the command to back off now.
Zhao:
The Zhao HQ sees the HSU retreating and realizes they're properly forming up now. It works out well because now they can reform their lines as well. They realize it's probably not the Kanki center army who is here and it's the HSU, the same one who took down Houken and recently became a general. Gakuhaku thinks it's a great opportunity to take down not only Ouhon but Shin who has also made a name for himself.
HSU HQ:
Shin asks why Ten called for a retreat since the enemy is now getting formed up and Ten says it's fine since they need a proper plan to take Eikyuu. Shin asks if it's true Ouhon's safe and Ten says Kyoukai's unit saved him. Rei says she saved him so she wants to be complimented. Shin says a quick "nice job" and asks where he is. Ten says he's resting in his tent since he's still unconscious. En-san says considering how the left wing is essentially gone they will most likely be taking over as the left wing main force. Sosui mentions it's most likely they'll have to do this with the HSU's force only.
Shin asks what the plan is. Ten says the cliff in front of them is the key to taking Eikyuu. Even if they go to the side traversing thru the region with around 10,000 soldiers is really hard so they'll have to go thru the cliff. Shin sees that that's where Eikyuu's main offence is. Ten says you can tell how strong it is based on the number of soldiers dead below it. En asks if it'll be possible for them then Ten says there's a spot where they can break thru the soldiers on the lower side and take the high side. If they're to take Eikyuu it's only thru there. Shin says he got it and prepares his troops to begin battle until Ouhon tells him to wait.
Ouhon says the spot Ten mentioned is a hunting ground for the Zhao. Shin says he should be resting more since he's still not fit to move around. Rei says he'll really die this way. Ten asks what he means by that and he says the Gyokuhou attacked that same area and needlessly lost a bunch of soldiers. It looks like a good area to attack but it's set up to easily kill any Qin soldier who comes up. The Gyokuhou tried to contest it many times but failed each time. Ouhont then says there are three more spots like that. Ten starts to think Eikyuu really is impossible to take but Shin says there is a spot and that's what Ouhon's here to tell them. As Ouhon begins to mention it he falls over and Shin catches him, telling him to get it together.
Ouhon says the spot to attack is the cliff all the way on the left that's after the lowest cliff. Shin asks if it's the highest point they can see past the bush and Ouhon says that's right. The terrain is rugged so they couldn't set up a hunting grounds there. That's where they should send the infantry. The enemy is aware of this so the defense by there is probably thick but the only way to break thru Eikyuu is thru there. Shin says he understands, thanks him for the advice and as he's about to tell him something Ouhon faints. Rei says he died and Shin says there's no way since he's still gotta go home to a kid waiting for him. Shin says he won't let their 8 days of fighting go to waste. Banyou leaves it to Shin. Shin tells Kanki to wait since they will turn things around starting now.
No break next week!
